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Arkan 05-04-2004 01:58 PM

I handle firearms all the time and this story doesn't jive with me. When you release the magazine, there's still a round in the chamber. You need to "rack the slide" to eject that round....meaning, you grasp the top of the slide with your weak hand and move it to the rear most position while keeping your trigger finger of the strong hand OUTSIDE the trigger guard. When the slide reaches back, the chambered round will fly out of the ejection port and land on the ground. If i were a betting man, i'd say the agent had his finger in the trigger guard while attempting to rack the slide and squeezed the trigger while making the hand movements causing the firearm to discharge. He needs to go back to firearms training.

Also, whenever you're in firearms training, or showing how to handle a firearm, you never use "live" rounds. You always use training rounds that don't have a live primer and powder in the case. The bullet is usually orange in color. This guy screwed everything up.

ninty 05-04-2004 02:28 PM

No doubt. The only time i've ever used live rounds in the military is when we're firing on the range. All other times, we either used dummy rounds, or if were on ex, blank rounds. I wouldn't even want to use blank rounds for showing people how to use a weapon. I was actually on the range this weekend firing live rounds. Passed all my Personal Weapons tests for the C7 rifle! rock:

Himmler 05-04-2004 03:07 PM

idiot =\

Sgt. Paine 05-04-2004 03:09 PM

WHY THE FUCK WAS IT EVEN LOADED!

MrLevinstein 05-04-2004 03:29 PM

[quote="Sgt. Paine":f97a8]WHY THE FUCK WAS IT EVEN LOADED![/quote:f97a8]

Probably because hes still a DEA agent and he could get a call at any time needing him somewhere. Im sure when getting a call youre going to want a loaded weapon. Crack dealers dont throw rocks ya know.

Pyro 05-04-2004 03:30 PM

[quote=MrLevinstein]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Sgt. Paine":395fa
WHY THE FUCK WAS IT EVEN LOADED!

Probably because hes still a DEA agent and he could get a call at any time needing him somewhere. Im sure when getting a call youre going to want a loaded weapon. Crack dealers dont throw rocks ya know.[/quote:395fa]

you could keep the loaded weapon in the car....or something.

Sgt. Paine 05-04-2004 03:31 PM

[quote=MrLevinstein]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Sgt. Paine":f72cb
WHY THE FUCK WAS IT EVEN LOADED!

Probably because hes still a DEA agent and he could get a call at any time needing him somewhere. Im sure when getting a call youre going to want a loaded weapon. Crack dealers dont throw rocks ya know.[/quote:f72cb]

there is some thing called leaving the clip out. or using a fake gun.

Arkan 05-04-2004 04:52 PM

[quote="Sgt. Paine":9a1cf]

there is some thing called leaving the clip out. or using a fake gun.[/quote:9a1cf]

Unless you're talking about an assault weapon, it's called a "magazine", not a "clip".
The bottom line is he should've been using a training gun with dummy bullets. Thats what most law enforcement personnel demonstrate with.

Sgt. Paine 05-04-2004 05:14 PM

[quote=Arkan]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Sgt. Paine":82841

there is some thing called leaving the clip out. or using a fake gun.

Unless you're talking about an assault weapon, it's called a "magazine", not a "clip".
The bottom line is he should've been using a training gun with dummy bullets. Thats what most law enforcement personnel demonstrate with.[/quote:82841]
sorry Mr. Iburneveryoneaboutonelittlemistakeandisuckmyuncleb obsdick.

Arkan 05-04-2004 06:44 PM

[quote="Sgt. Paine":110f2]sorry Mr. Iburneveryoneaboutonelittlemistakeandisuckmyuncleb obsdick.[/quote:110f2]

Paine, you're now an official asshat. I wasn't ripping on you, just pointing something out. I guess your feelings got hurt, i'm sorry for that...NOT!

Sgt. Paine 05-04-2004 06:46 PM

[quote=Arkan]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Sgt. Paine":9e794
sorry Mr. Iburneveryoneaboutonelittlemistakeandisuckmyuncleb obsdick.

Paine, you're now an official asshat. I wasn't ripping on you, just pointing something out. I guess your feelings got hurt, i'm sorry for that...NOT![/quote:9e794]

no feelings hurt.

it dont matter about the type of gun, he still shot himself oOo: biggrin:

Arkan 05-04-2004 06:54 PM

[quote="Sgt. Paine":c9b8c]
no feelings hurt.

it dont matter about the type of gun, he still shot himself oOo: biggrin:[/quote:c9b8c]

You're right, no need for flames. He was an idiot for shooting himself.

Madmartagen 05-04-2004 10:57 PM

he's also an idiot for using LIVE ROUNDS in front of children. good luck finding a new career, asshat.

Poseidon 05-05-2004 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan
The bullet is usually orange in color. This guy screwed everything up.

Every training bullet i've seen has been silver.

Arkan 05-05-2004 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m1ck97
Every training bullet i've seen has been silver.

That may be the case in the Uk but not here in the states. We have orange rubber tipped bullets with no powder and a dead primer.


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