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Re: This Is Not a War on Islam
 

I was going to reply to this, but it so depresses my outlook on the current state of humanity that I can't even bring myself to retort.

noctis, i think you may be going a little too far with this one. You are looking at it in a biased way. You'd have to know what their culture and upbringings are about. They have been taught Islam and they have so much faith in their religion that they are willing to "go to war" with people that oppose their culture and beliefs. On your side of things, you've been taught Christian values (I'm guessing). Why is their religion any different from yours in a sense of carrying out their requirements?


I'm just trying to get people to see what they're coming from. They feel the same way about us...."kill the infadels". We think, "Kill the barbarians". Just a thought...

You had two rants in the past about it. You said something similar to what I qutoed.

What do you purpose?

We get ride of all religions? Even Christanity? Or just kill all the people from the middle-east?

Btw, Notics - Have you lived in a Islamict country at all? Seen their cultuire first hand, beside what you have read, or seen on TV?

I agree with Garry, also.

[quote="Garry Coleman":a2eda]noctis, i think you may be going a little too far with this one. You are looking at it in a biased way. You'd have to know what their culture and upbringings are about. They have been taught Islam and they have so much faith in their religion that they are willing to "go to war" with people that oppose their culture and beliefs. On your side of things, you've been taught Christian values (I'm guessing). Why is their religion any different from yours in a sense of carrying out their requirements?


I'm just trying to get people to see what they're coming from. They feel the same way about us...."kill the infadels". We think, "Kill the barbarians". Just a thought...[/quote:a2eda]


im concerned about you.

[quote="Garry Coleman":08a29] They feel the same way about us...."kill the infadels". We think, "Kill the barbarians". Just a thought...[/quote:08a29]


That has got to be the smartest thought about this whole situation yet.

I don't know if you can say "who is right" in this war. I don't think the Americans are the good guys or the bad guys. Same with the arabs. Don't get me wrong, i'm not anti-war...i'm very pro war. I just think the war will not be won by the good guy or bad guy; it will be won by the 'better' side (for lack of better words)

This is just going to turn into another America vs. Islam vs World thread.

Noc what about Saladin ? he was a genral and all but a peaceful and enlightned man. When he took Jeruselum he made sure no buildings including christian churchesc were harmed. He was the very definition of civil. Hell the europenas were more brutal to him. He gave captured european soldiers water food etc. Maybe its not the faith maybe we drove the faith into what disgusting state it is now.

[quote=Judas]
im concerned about you.[/quote:68e28]fuck, i'm not trying to be Anti-American, pro-Islam, Pro-arab. I'm just trying to lay out the facts. I just hate it when people make stupid narrowminded judgements

It needs to be brought to an end by the Iraqis themselves...I think its great that the US, etc are doing to help them get things in some sort of 'order' if you want to call it that...but it cannot be won by an 'outside force'...having us there to help raise a worthy police force makes a lot of sense...and of course, we will have hardships, etc etc...but it must be the 'home team' to bring things to an end...

Saladin was civilized.

exactly. We'll have to eventually leave the country. Only God knows how long that'll be. But, who are we kidding? When we win, what happens to the country? They will hopefully be more of a stabalized government set up so they could work independently. It's not like we'll be making it a territory of the US. I think it's out duty to try to keep the world out of harms way from asshole terrorists. It's always been like that....#1 country will always police the world.

[quote="Garry Coleman":cd5fe]exactly. We'll have to eventually leave the country. Only God knows how long that'll be. But, who are we kidding? When we win, what happens to the country? They will hopefully be more of a stabalized government set up so they could work independently. It's not like we'll be making it a territory of the US. I think it's out duty to try to keep the world out of harms way from asshole terrorists. It's always been like that....#1 country will always police the world.[/quote:cd5fe]

Amen dude. My thoughts exactly.

Gary

There is a difference between:

"[...] I say to you, love your enemies [...]"

and

"When the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them, besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. [...]"

Short Hand

An excellent point, and as it illustrates, there is an exception to every rule. The point that I am trying to make, however, is that Islam is inherent Anti-Western and young children are taught to hate the culture and be prepared to sacrafice their lives if it means the death of an infidel.

Quze

Being as you have never had any sort of informed post in a similar thread, please feel free to leave yourself out of this one.