[quote="Short Hand":a202c]JUST GO WEITH THE 4200. TRUST ME ITS YOU BEST OPTION RIGHT NOW. 53 BUCKS AND ITS A ABIT CARD. whoops caps. anyways the rest aren ot worth them oney etc. just stick with that. it will run alot of newer games faster since it has a faster core. sure no dx 9 support like the 9600 or 5600 , but its faster in genral + those other cards dont have the power to run the new dx 9 features right. for the price just go for it. + the abit seires of 4200's are very very very over clockable. which means your gonna get some nice speeds outta it cheap. go for the 4200 eames. CORE = fast which means good. for you price range its you best option.[/quote:a202c]

will it run hl2 and mohpa?

yes perfectly. , it just ownt support any dx9 features (but that does not matter) the other cards in your budget wont run those features without going to 2 fps. its am uch better choice it will run all games mazing and you can OC it, a avergae gamer like yourself will not even notice the diffrence man. just better fps that all. I bet this card could run Doom 3 on med to high and mohpa on high at a decent res.

[quote="Short Hand":ba81b]yes perfectly. , it just ownt support any dx9 features (but that does not matter) the other cards in your budget wont run those features without going to 2 fps. its am uch better choice it will run all games mazing and you can OC it, a avergae gamer like yourself will not even notice the diffrence man. just better fps that all. I bet this card could run Doom 3 on med to high and mohpa on high at a decent res.[/quote:ba81b]

thanks for the help man, i think ill go with it...i probably wont overclock it cause i can barley install the graphic card myself let alone add more fans or whatever.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 20R&depa=1

the 53 dollar version sold out, so this version slightly more expensive at 59 bucks is still available, but i was looking at these and they say they are "barebone" which means they only come with the card itself...no installation disk, no drivers or no cables....is this bad?

It's not bad. The Driver disks are always outdated and you need to download the lastest ones anyways.

You're warrenty will probaly be limited though.

get the 4200

one of the best cards for the price... still....

i was reading some of the reviews and everyones talking about how their fans died and needed replacement after a few months...and my card probably wont be waranteed very well since its referbished...im having 2nd thoughts on the ti4200.

well acording to the doom 3 hardware guide i can play the game on medium settings with a 5200...

But only at 640x480 which is terrible.

true, so what should i do? i dont wanna buy a card that will have the fan breaking....

buy a 9800xt...if you have the money of course.

If the fan breaks go out and buy a 9$ vantech iceberq..

And im the one that said 4200 first...gg on credit where its due

edit-Short..Mem speed is more important then core speed..Fill up the bandwith holes by OCing the mem and then OC the core for PROCCESING POWER!!!++

9800XT is so overpriced right now. A 9800 Pro with similar performance costs less than $200, while a 6800nu out performs the 9800XT and costs $300 while the 9800XT still costs about $350.

Jesus..You are my man..If i cant get to a question you have equal or greater knowlage in the subject. beer:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDe ... 249&depa=1

what about this 9800se? what do u guys think of it? will it run hl2, mohpa, and doom 3 in 1024x768 in at least medium setts?