OK since I am soooo stupid could please explain to this short bus rider how to deal with these people

Read This

http://www.ispi-usa.org/currentarticles/violence.html

then

http://al-islam.org/inquiries/2.html

Read this.

YES people misunderstand, yes, people exploit the faith. But This is done in every faith. It is just being done in Islam so much more in todays worlds as a means for struggling people to be motivated to rise up and take control, for otherwise corrupt mullahs and religous figures. Islam itself is very noble. More so then Christiianity and Judaism. But in such times, humans themselves take advantage. I would hope you could also redirect your "hate" for this faith towards the people exploiting it.

[quote:29ba4] God revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Sura 8, Verse 12)

"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads." (Sura 47, Verse 4)

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For anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim, who wants to put some distance between contemporary jihadist practice and the beliefs of ordinary Muslims, there are a range of arguments that might attenuate the force of these passages. For instance, it could be argued that these excerpts need to be put into context; they don't literally mean what they seem to say; or that they're the product of a particular historical moment, now passed. What's more, some might say that beheading is not Islamic at all but is in fact an unfortunate holdover from pre-Islamic times, when the warring tribes on the Arabian peninsula decapitated their rivals and left them unburied in the field for predators to devour.[/quote:29ba4]

This is also a way in which to explain the violent passages you hear about. Then again, in comparision to the old testaments... This is lightcore shit.

Islam has been distorted into a religion of murder. It truly isnt, and if you actually read the Koran, and maybe tried to understand, you'd know. It isn't fair that they are judged on the action of these few... Just like if i were to judge the actions of a few priests and then call every christian the very same... wouldn't like that, would you? 1 billion muslims on earth. 18% of them are arab. You people need to look at the bigger picture.

Allah = one god. Not some holy terrorist they all worship, its the very same god we worship. Jesus = The messiah, christs son. They share all the same prophets with Judaism AND Christianity. The Koran states that every person is equal in the eyes of god, no matter your race, gender or physical attributes. Womens rights issues is not the fault of Islam, but crooked governments, who have distorted the faith to the opressive rule you see in some arab countries. Try to understand the culture before you denounce it... and even go as far as to wish death upon all muslims annoy:

i dont think we said kill all muslims , i dont have a problem with the non-killing muslims, and i also think the jihad endorsing muslims should fly to iraq and join there "brave" counter-parts and help rid the land of the "evil" infidels that have "invaded" their beautiful and peaceful part of the world.The world would be a more peaceful place for all of us.

This article was written about WHAT THEY DID TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE, the iraqi's want the US to leave and the only way thats going to happen is when the insurgency is dead and rotting, insurgents killing innocent people trying to have picnic is helping make the jihadist look like the terrorist scum that are.

umm....

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":155c2]it is unfortunate but I believe killing them all is the only way.[/quote:155c2]



yes.....

[quote="Short Hand":8cf0e][quote=Drew]Without getting into a huge philosophical debate, I suggest you all go read the Qu'ran. It's very interesting and there is a lot of stuff in it that isn't really brought out in the mainstream. Reason being that if we all knew that Mohammed specifically instructs his followers to "rise up and slay the infidels," there would probably be a mass lynching of Muslims.

Also, please keep in mind that about half the modern sects of Islam do not practice jihad. It is also important to remember that the number of sects which actually denounce jihad are far, far fewer.[/quote]


Read This

[url="http://www.ispi-usa.org/currentarticles/violence.html"]http://www.ispi-usa.org/currentarticles/violence.html[/url]

then

http://al-islam.org/inquiries/2.html

Read this.

YES people misunderstand, yes, people exploit the faith. But This is done in every faith. It is just being done in Islam so much more in todays worlds as a means for struggling people to be motivated to rise up and take control, for otherwise corrupt mullahs and religous figures. Islam itself is very noble. More so then Christiianity and Judaism. But in such times, humans themselves take advantage. I would hope you could also redirect your "hate" for this faith towards the people exploiting it.

[quote:8cf0e] God revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Sura 8, Verse 12)

"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads." (Sura 47, Verse 4)

A

For anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim, who wants to put some distance between contemporary jihadist practice and the beliefs of ordinary Muslims, there are a range of arguments that might attenuate the force of these passages. For instance, it could be argued that these excerpts need to be put into context; they don't literally mean what they seem to say; or that they're the product of a particular historical moment, now passed. What's more, some might say that beheading is not Islamic at all but is in fact an unfortunate holdover from pre-Islamic times, when the warring tribes on the Arabian peninsula decapitated their rivals and left them unburied in the field for predators to devour.[/quote:8cf0e]

This is also a way in which to explain the violent passages you hear about. Then again, in comparision to the old testaments... This is lightcore shit.[/quote:8cf0e]
http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/view ... p?t=168674

http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/view ... p?t=177785

So you've actually read the quran, and not just a website with passages from it?

Indeed. I also took two courses at university in Islamic Studies.

We used this series of textbooks (ridiculously biased in my opinion, it's irresponsible for an instructor to utilize a textbook about a religion which was written by someone who practices it actively, no objectivity):

[img]http://www.simplyislam.com/images/dbase/1699.jpg[/img]

Was more like a year-long attempt at conversion...

Anyway, I also was require to read several large chunks of the Qu'ran for my studies. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I read every passage, but I've read a great deal of it and plenty to know that violence is a recurring theme throughout. If you're interested, I can also refer you to an online translation of the Qu'ran which was suggested by my instructor for people who didn't purchase a Qu'ran prior to taking the course.

GO DREW !!! happy:

Ok, I was just wondering. The last time you mentioned something about the Qu'ran you posted a link that highlighted only the violent things and pretty much nothing else.

The problem is that violence is a frequently occurring theme in the Koran.

And it really is a shame, because there are parts of the Koran which are very beautiful and also very applicable to being a good person in life. Just read the Exordium, for instance.

However, it is filled with far too many violent contradictions.

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":e8c0d]it is unfortunate but I believe killing them is the only way. These nuts dont understand peace. It would be nice if there were always puffy clouds in the blue sky and everyone got along but thats not reality[/quote:e8c0d]

I don't recall any militants shooting up a picnic before the invasion.

[quote=Quze]I don't recall any militants shooting up a picnic before the invasion.[/quote:2304d]


your kidding right? Im sure the Beriut NEws could tell you exactly what was going on

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":5bacc][quote=Quze]I don't recall any militants shooting up a picnic before the invasion.[/quote:5bacc]


your kidding right? Im sure the Beriut NEws could tell you exactly what was going on[/quote:5bacc]

No, I'm not kidding. I didn't know Iraq had a bunch of milita groups when Saddam was in power, shooting up university students for being unworthy of Islam. I'm sure most of the guys in the insurgency today just had normal jobs then went home and did whatever the fuck they did over there pior to March 20th, 2003 - Peacefully.

So what now then....Apparently we've established that the Koran is a religious book full of violent teachings, and a large proportion of it's followers are ready to come and kill us all....

Should we just kill them all before they kill us?

You guys have all the answers regarding Islam itself, but when it comes to dealing with it, you haven't got shit. What's the point in "telling it like it is" when all it does it promote the idea that the majority of practising muslims are ready to slit our throats, which in turn promotes the idea (to the more easily led young'ns anyway) that the only way to deal with them is to "KILL EM ALL," etc......??

I personally won't judge any individual until I've seen them act first.

I guess that way they have the upper hand and can get me while I'm not watching, right?