<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS.SGW-Siggi:
The easiest way to send a message to these pricks that shoddy, lazy, half-arsed coding won't be tolerated at £35 a throw is to warez the game. If that means they go out of business and produce no more games...bring it the f**k on. Games like these we don't need when there are gifted coders in eastern europe looking for a break.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kinda like Oleg Maddox and IL2-Sturmovik. A former Soviet Air Force officer turned developer. He's the talk of the flight sim community.

Well I've heard rumours about a full-realism option in the final release. I hope it's true because the last thing any full retail game needs is third-party modders hacking it to pieces.

File-comparison security...will MoH have it? Will it bugger. This is how second-rate code becomes popular (aka MS). People confuse mods with the core code and think a good mod means the actual game is good. It doesn't. All it means is the developers are relying on modders to do their work for them.
If only honest modders got involved it wouldn't be a problem. But open code is an invitation to cheats.

No file comparison means we'll have hundreds of different games on peoples' PC's, all conflicting with each other to some degree or other. Let's take a typical example of how screwed up MoH will be...modder-X makes a skin that can't be seen by other players who don't have it. So they have to turn on Force-Models. Excuse me? So what the f**k was the point of 2015 providing camo skins etc when every player can force Mr Dayglo to appear on HIS particular PC? Makes the bushes pretty pointless.

Hey, I do it too. I have the 101st skins forced on mine because they stand out like a sore thumb, in bushes and everywhere else. Nice one 2015...you really did your frigging homework, you chumps. And I just love using the Waffen-SS smock, knowing every allied player has the geek WM skin forced on their PC. Tactics? Lol.

This game is like a Swiss cheese...so full of holes it stinks.

I don't mind second rate games...a lot of them are fun, like this one. But what does get up my nose is when the developers, the publishers and a bunch of thick groupies hype and mis-represent the game. Lies, bullshit and fraud...and to cap it off a user base that consists mostly of foul-mouthed hacking degenerates.

Sell the game for £15 and prevent anyone under the age of sixteen from playing it online...that'd make the nut and I'd be able to shut up and play it quietly. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stony:
Kinda like Oleg Maddox and IL2-Sturmovik. A former Soviet Air Force officer turned developer. He's the talk of the flight sim community.

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Yep, you said it right mate. We'd actually started to believe the BS from western developers about the difficulty of coding a rock-solid game right out of the box until he came along.
Oleg Maddox has let the cat out of the bag, big time. Anyone who owns Il2 will measure games like MoH against it, and realise how shoddy they truly are.

Simple proof...if Oleg can do it, why can't our supposedly more sophisticated and high-tech western guys do it? Answer...they are shiftless and greedy.


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Siggi, good to see your form hasn't changed a bit.

I still have you on my buddy list from when we first played and you know every single time I've seen you online (which is rare) you are only ever playing on your own server.

That's right. Siggi's ADSL Server [CPR] Anti-cheat.

Player list (the general gist I always see, not an accurate one):

SS.SGW-Siggi 128/0 Ping 0
SS.SGW-Don_Tony 128/0 Ping 2
Somenewbie 2/0 Ping 350
A><0|2_NooB 2/0 Ping 600
olli 2/0 Ping 289

When I join I get maybe 90-200 ping depending on how many players he has cramed in his server (yes, with a 32 player limit lmfao).

So, when I joined and 4 others were playing, we all (besides Siggi and his mate, who is presumably on a LAN to Siggi's server) had well over 500 ping.

A lot.

Now, I still managed to kill Siggi and his mate two times each with this ping. They killed me 4 times between them and on the last round (where by this time it took my gun a full second to actually start shooting after I pressed the key - Gotta love that pure BT bandwidth) I complained of lag and decided to leave the server.

It just wasn't fun. Why bother staying? So I left and played on a dedicated server and had a blast. In fact the only reason I joined your server that second time was because I really wanted to see if you played seriously. Like you really thought it was worth spending time playing with zero ping against high pingers. Apparently, you do.

I told them how I felt. But then after all Siggi's claims that he knows everything about the game already, I have never seen him on one public server.

Big boasts for someone who can only beat 300+ pingers with zero ping himself.

Nice hijack of the post, Siggi. You will never impress anyone, let alone me, with your boasts until you actually play without a clear advantage.

We will see when the full game comes out, and you actually start playing some proper competive matches, who is the best at this game, and I can tell you from what I've seen of you, you'll need some serious practice to make SS.SGW even contend at all.

Sorry, but playing with zero ping won't allow you to take playing with a ping over that. Nothing wrong with playing at 0 ping if you have a decent connection, such as T1.

But ADSL? lol. Come play on a proper server and let's see how good you really are.

Sorry, but you have no respect from me at the moment. You have too much of an opinion seeing as you don't even play in a proper game.

I know how good I am, and I also know where I ain't so good.

Why don't you prove you can play, instead of spouting your flames here?

Actions > Words.

No, I won't play on your server again. But then, nor does anyone other than complete newbies 'cos they don't know you but know no better than to play on a non-dedicated server like yours.

I'll be on gamesdomain (2), (3) and (4) or any Blue Yonder server. If I don't see you soon, I'll have no different an opinion than I already do about you. Which isn't much.










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Lol. The proof is always in the pudding as they say. Your own post is as much proof as anyone could ever need that your whole life revolves around this game. Er...you did know this is just a game, yes?

As for your BS...I play on servers other than my own, but not as much. Why? Because I won't play on any that don't have the CPR mod. You may enjoy needing a full clip to give an opponent a hang-nail but I find it lame and tedious in the extreme.

Kills...I wasn't counting (I have a life), but you were getting consistently whupped until you whined aboput lag and buggered off.

Player limit...my server is restricted to max 14 and has been for a very long time.

Lag...most players get no worse than 200 ping, and the average is just under 100 on a consistent basis.

The fact is Ydiss, you measure yourself by how well you do (or don't,lol) at a second-rate game. I bet you were one of those kids who would chuck the Monopoly board up in the air when you landed on your sister's Park Lane.

As for rating myself...if you cast your mind back you may remember I was the guy who said (and still does) that little to no skill is neccessary to excell at this game. Therefore my awesome online prowess is a result of the game's simplicity, not my skill. Whereas you, Mr Air-borne Ranger, are convinced you are the Bowie-Knife juggling predator of the WW2 battle-field. Fact is...you ain't crap, but mediocre is nothing to boast about mate.

Your mate has gotten good with the sniper 'rifle' by neglecting his homework and resisting the lures of Playboy for a couple of weeks. What's your excuse? http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Remember...it's...just...a...game. Go out and discover alcohol, give yourself a break.

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What I don't like is the general "lameness" associated with rockets. Likewise, I don't mind someone using a rocket more strategically to help his team out, but most often I find someone waiting on the other side of a corner with the rocket.

But no, I won't ask them to chage weapons just because they're annoying. Usually players like this are predictible, and predictability's worst enemy in this game has got to be the hand grenade... Let them kill me once or twice, but afterwards they're mine http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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I think you guys should go outside and have some fresh air. The radiation from your monitors is giving some of you the crazy talk...

Leave the friggin game alone and stop criticizing 2015 about there weapons choice and how people use them.. maaaaan u guys sound like a bunch of women.

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this siggi guy is funny.

if you think for a second that an expert quake player wont light you up in this game youre an idiot. go brush your teeth you ugly lymie bastard.

also, before you flame me for being a young n00b. ill own you own you in flight sims too.

like someone else has said, play on someone else's server and talk smack.

Siggi, no one will agree with you.

Anyone just has to join your server to see what I mean. But they won't 'cos most are intelligent to know that a DSL server can't hold more than 4-5 players without lagging to hell. But, of course, not for you.

See, your reasons for not playing on public servers is 'cos you want CPR and Anti Cheat. Bullshit, there is plenty of good public servers that host CPR and almost ALL now host Anti-Cheat.

Ok. I'll see you on Server: BarrysWorld - Medal Of Honor Demo (1) - [CPR] 19/20 | Ping: 61ms| soon shall I?

That or Server: gamesdomain.co.uk - MOH Demo (1) [CPR] 31/32 | Ping: 55ms| be ok for you?

Anyone who believes they know every single limit of the game and doesn't play regularly on a public server (and, Mr Generalisation, regular as in how often you spend on them in the time you do play. Just 'cos I said you don't play a lot doesn't mean I think I have any superiority over you. You thought that one up all on your own). needs to think again.

Oh, and btw... Rigz doesn't use the sniper right now, he's trying the Mauser out. For someone who has a habit of naming cheats who aren't, you'd have a hard time playing on a server with him. I suppose you won't though.

I entirely expect to not see you anytime soon on a proper server anyway.

Btw, if you read my post correctly you will remember that I did actually say I ping at around 100-200 normally. Pay attention.


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Oh, and neither of us do homework. We're 24 and both have succseful jobs actually (yeh, we aren't brothers. You're an excentric, that's for sure). 8 hour day jobs, too. So plenty of leisure time at weekends and evenings to play what we enjoy.

I did my homework just fine when I had it, too, thanks. I didn't do amazingly well but I have 9 GCSEs and 2 A-levels in Maths and English Literature.

You, on the other hand, seem to mention this often enough to suggest you are one who is of lower years.

Thing is, who cares how old someone is? Has no bearing on maturity, but your inclination to start your silly fights on boards (not just me that you've gotten all melodramatic about, is it?) shows the level of your maturity quite well.

I have nothing to say to you until you play on a server that isn't your own.

It's that or I'll just wait until the full game comes out and demorecord is enabled so I can just come and post how amazing you are on your own server. I'm sure there will be demo forums soon enough on a few web pages.

You know we were lagging up to 500+ ping that day. No matter how good someone is, 500 ping versus 0 ping is no contest.

Btw, the last time I got killed was by your mate. It took him two full clips to kill me and I was in the open with 500 ping.

That takes a skill of its own.



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lier!!

Aye carumba, he's quoting his exam results now. You're a card Ydiss and no mistake.

Lag...I see you have a new definition of it...it effects the loser but not the winner. You lag but I don't see you lagging. That's a hard one for me to get my head around mate. You lag, so that means I get to shoot your body that...er...isn't actually there...cos it's lagging...do I have that right?

If you were lagging on a 500 ping I'd have been shooting at nothing or a ghost. You can't have lag one way mate, it screws up everyone. This BS about the host getting "the 'best' lag" is a crock of shite made up by sore losers looking for an excuse. And if a 200 ping was a significant disadvantage nobody would be able to fly air-combat sims online. Tenths of a second are way more critical in the air at speed than tromping around on the ground.
The thing is I've had a mere handful of people ever mention lag, and those who had a problem with it either left silently with dignity or politely stated that they were off elsewhere. You were the first and only one to make an abusive comment and leave in a snit.
The only problem I have had is people lose their connection quite easily. Seems to drop after about five games, but they have no problem coming back in and don't bitch either.

The fact that you constantly look to challenge me "on a 'proper' server" proves only two things...one that you do rate yourself superior and two that you need to prove it. I think you have issues that need addressing. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I could give a rat's arse about getting shot to shite so long as the game is fun. The fact that I don't is a testament to the game's crude simplicity. Maybe it's nice for you to fantasize that MoH is like the real thing, and 'skill' in it means you'd be hot shite on a real battlefield, but I've done the real deal and I'm afraid MoH is a poor simulation. It's not even hard as a game, never mind as a virtual representation of reality.

What was the crack about quak..."if you think for a second that an expert quake player wont light you up in this game youre an idiot." Sorry madrebel, but you're forgetting the fact that MoH players can't zip around at near warp-speed and use their bazookas to jump in the air like Peter frigging Pan. Reflexes vs intelligence...no compo mate. Take out the need for demented reflexes allied to weapons with a magazine capacity approaching that of a Dreadnought Battleship and I think you'll find the person with the brains to not run around like a spastic chimp that's just been fed a pound of laxitive chocolate will come out on top.

Nobody will agree with me Ydiss? Oh dear, a mortal blow. You're not on the same page as me, are you mate. 'Me and the boys' get more entertainment from this forum, and some of the nutters on it, than we do from the bloody game. 'Getting them at it' is part of the fun. You're worth the entry fee alone. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/wink.gif

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siggi youre proving your ignorance for me.

quake 3 uses a client server model.

its like this:
server hosts game
client A has 20 ping connects to server
client B has 200 ping connects to server

client A stands toe to toe facing client B
Client B does the same.

Client A and B fire at exactly the same point in time at their respective locations.

Client A's packet reaches the server in 20 milliseconds.

the server sees client A's packet, calculates the trajectory, location of the shot determines that the shot its a hit records the data, sends the packet to client A that he got a hit and to client B that he got hit.

Meanwhile clients B's packet takes 200mili seconds to reach the server, he is already dead before he even gets a shot off.

Flight sims use a peer to peer model. the game is "server" so to speak is hosted on each palyers machine. the only data sent back and forth is location, and shot direction.

with games like quakeX when someone is "lagged out"(not receiveing, dropping LOTS of packets, 999 ping) they are stopped DEAD. Why? because the server isnt getting packets from the client saying where he is and thus it isnt send location data to the other clients.

and again, i realise quake isnt like MoH. There are no rocket jumps. But i was always able to split the ball hair of a gnat at 300 yards with the rail gun in quake. guess what, i can hollow out your skull with the M1/Mauser in MoH very easily.

But youre a pompus ass, like all euro trash, who isnt man enough to admit when he is wrong.

Oh and youre welcome. Without the US you would be in nzai germany right now prick.

Siggi, I have absolutely no issues with killing someone who is pinging at 500. It seems perfectly smooth to me, thanks.

I made my points and all you have is fancy flowery insults to reply with. Hosting your own server gives you an advantage and everyone knows that. Everyone knows ADSL is shite to host servers too. All but you. Apparently.

And you're the first one to bring up school work. Don't expect someone to reply? Don't post.

I may have been angry the day I played on your server, but I didn't come here and post about it, did I?

I let it drop and carried on to enjoy playing MoH. Now who's mature?

End of my contribution to that particular disscusion.

Madrabel, I don't particularly find your insults about my country amusing, but then I don't really care. I don't get all patriotic just 'cos someone insults the UK.

There's no need for it though.

Yeh, I'm from the UK too. My teeth are fine, thanks. Cliché number 639 right there http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/tongue.gif

I agree with some of your points, though. But could you please leave out the abuse of my country?

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by madrebel:
But youre a pompus ass, like all euro trash, who isnt man enough to admit when he is wrong.

Oh and youre welcome. Without the US you would be in nzai germany right now prick.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I think madrebel is only fueling the fire...siggi was just asking for it with the comments he made first.



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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ydiss:

I agree with some of your points, though. But could you please leave out the abuse of my country?

[This message has been edited by Ydiss (edited January 18, 2002).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>see i said euro trash. there is a difference between euro trash and people who happen to live there.

Just like the difference between americans and ghetto trash, white trash, redknecks, etc...

i wasnt reffering to you at all good sir knight http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/wink.gif

Well in that case it's ok http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Let me raise an interesting point. When the MP demo was first released I used the zook and the schreck. No biggie. I didn't use it all the time but no one complained. I usually ended up killing myself when I would kill the other guy or I'd use it to clear out the snipers. Like I said no one complained, people thought it was funny. It was just a couple of weeks ago when this anti-zook thing really picked up. Now whenever I use the zook and get a kill on someone. People start calling me all sorts of nonsensical crap like "Bitch ass ho ass", stuff like that. If the reload time on the zook or schreck was made realistic we would need two people to operate the big guns, it would take about 10-15 seconds to reload and no one plays like that in a FPS except clan mates. With one person the zook would take about thirty seconds to reload. Unless you wanted to blow an arm or a leg off. I don't know, I really don't care what people use. I just kill them and blow up that Flak cannon.
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I'm not flaming anoyone.
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Ydiss, anyone who cries "lag" as an excuse for defeat is a sore loser. You talk about flowery insults but the fact is I play MoH with as much or less success on external servers as I do on my own. Lag has never been an issue for me because it averages out over any number of servers. Flowery insults are fun. Arguing the toss with a sore loser is boring. If it ain't lag you'll have some other rationale to explain away your defeats. If somebody is cheating, have at it by all means. But if he isn't, just take your losses with good grace.

Madrebel, apart from being a sick xenophobe with an inferiority complex a mile wide, you are ignorant on the subject of lag. I don't give a toss about your server-side BS, lag works both ways. If there is a connection problem the data going either way is screwed and in a moving fight it will impact both players adversely. Standing toe-to-toe may be an artificial way of proving an isolated and unrepresentitive anomoly of server-side lag but it doesn't stand up in moving combat. Before my server can know the position of an external player it has to receive his data. If that data is late I will see a false model position, which makes it harder for me to hit it (if I can hit it at all).
If you are telling me that the quak engine allows a hit, regardless of the opponent's true position, I can only say that I must be getting zero pings to the external servers I have played on. I have noticed ZERO difference in my scores when playing on my own server and external ones, neither better nor worse.

This lag BS is like the IHPFALT tactic in chess. Player A challenges player B. Player B says "I haven't played for a long time." Superb. With seven words he excuses himself if he loses, exhalts himself if he wins.

Lag..."If I lose, it's because of lag. If I win...well f**k me, I must be hot s**t!" Pathetic.
You know what simmers call lag? Turbulence. It's there, it affects everyone. Deal with it and stop whining about it...it makes you sound like a grizzling brat who's had a bad day in the sand-pit.

If this was a battle-field sim I would take it seriously and put some real enthusiasm into it. As it is I normally play with a smoking fag hanging out of my mouth, a keyboard sharing space with a perilous ashtray and a mouse competing for room on a desk covered in crap.
If people played this game 'for real' we'd all be seeing vastly different results. As it is most players cavort around like it's a comedy sketch. Who wins the most? Those who spend weeks 'training' on the sniper 'rifle'...we've all seen them. They hang back whilst the GAMERS have a laugh, then sneak in and start popping tourists. Skill? No. Just anal twats who think taking advantage of a second-rate game's shortcomings is akin to mastery of virtual combat.

Ydiss...absorb the fact...this is Playstation level gaming-light. Quite literally it is child's play. Comparing MoH to, say, an accomplished sim or full-physics racing game is like comparing lego to architecture...paint-by-numbers to Da Vinci. I spend more time rolling smokes than I do watching the battle-field in this game. And I still whup your ass. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

The bottom line with a lot of saddoes who take this GAME too seriously is they think success in it is some sort of indication of how they would do in a real fire-fight. Oh puh-leese, do excuse me whilst I choke back the hilarity. It's no-brainer fun, a chance to run amok and produce loud satisfying bangs from the sub-woofer after a hard day at work. If you want a REAL challenge, get into sims. As in SIMULATION, opposed to GAME.

DAMN, this is fun! http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Why is there so much whining on this forum? Because most of the people that post here are little kids, and seems to have very low IQ's.

Stop complaining dumbasses. It's so easy to kill someone that uses a rocket launcher, get over it. Don't like the Shotgun? Too bad. Get over it.

Geez, you should have to take a maturity and an intelligence test before you can post on this forum. 90% of the kids on this forum wouldn't pass.

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It seems to me that those who have trouble with the Zookas, Shotties, or Snipers are the ones with a lack of tactical sense. All these weapons are balanced against each other if you TRULY know the strengths and weaknesses of each. I almost exclusively play as a sniper, because I like to play using stealth and purpose. I'm not a run-and-gun type, and this game doesn't reward that type of play anyways. Shottie or Zooka whores don't bother me; I've learned how to successfully counter them. Maybe some of you need to learn how to adjust your strategy instead of whining about it.

This is the same bitching crowd who probably complained about Counterstrike and the AWP whores. Q3 and UT carryovers thinking that circle-strafing and running around at 40mph is how the game should be played. I guess the best advice for these crybabies is to go back to Q3 or UT where you came from.

There is a simple solution. Don't pay any attention to them.

If you're good enough you'll be able to stay far enough away from shotguns and dodge rockets. It's not hard. Eventually, they'll get so tired of getting the beatdown they will try a different weapon.

The rocket and shotgun along with being the two most overpowered weapons are also the two easiest to avoid. I welcome rockets and shotguns. The more there are, the more kills I get.

If you find yourself getting killed by them too often, go get some practice... and I don't mean practice at complaining on the boards.

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Looks like a serious case of "I hate the last weapon that killed me" flu is goin around http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

But the whining here is more intelligent, complex and challenging than the game...that makes it fun and is probably why so many indulge in it. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

That's not to say the whining is intelligent, complex and challenging per se...just that the game is remarkably lacking in those qualities.

I guess we could turn whining into a paper on the subject...

Why is MoH sub-standard? Is there a standard at all? I do believe there is, and I'm talking PC level here, not military simulator.
A good soldier will tell you there are only two important things on a battle-field: Silence and invisibility. And the sum of those two attributes are far greater than the parts.
Operation Flash-Point offers both. MoH offers only one.

But where they both lack equally is in the fact there are only two kinds of maps in soldier sims...maps that are known and maps that are not known.

So it boils down to this: An FPS that requires skill is one that offers both silence and invisibility on a map that is unknown. Make the player care about his virtual life and you are close to FPS perfection.

OPF scores 3 out of 4 on a first-time map.
MoH scores 2 out of 4 on a first-time map.

Sounds close, but remember that the sum etc...exponetially so.

What's needed is a random map generator, something like the one in Age of Empires. It would be some piece of coding, but I reckon it's possible. We'll wait for someone like Oleg to come up with it, cos it'll never come out of a western development house.

Your play Ydiss is based upon knowing the map like the back of your hand. It's also based upon knowing that your opponent is unable to become invisible (the legit kind).
Tactics of any meaningful kind are impossible in MoH. Once every player knows the map it becomes nothing much more than a lottery. If skill truly counted for anything in MoH we would see players who almost never died, as is the case in good air-combat sims. It was possible in OPF, despite even that FPS's limitations. In MoH, forget it. Even if MoH had prone position (invisibility to a good player) the lack of foliage and the ability to employ one's camo in it would make it almost worthless. The biggest cheat built into MoH by the developers is Force-Models...that makes a mockery of any skins included by default.

EVERYone dies in MoH, and if it was a sim instead of a light-weight game that wouldn't be the case. No matter how 'good' you think you are in MoH (Ydiss), you will die. You'll die because the game is crude, poorly coded and riddled with flaws. Not because a good FPS can't be made but because 2015 weren't up to the job of doing it properly. Challenging me to a needle-match on a public server is as pointless as challenging me to a Lego building competition. Something that requires skill, I'll be there. Something like MoH, I got more challenging things to do with my time than search for, download and install GameSpy clones just so I can find your server of choice. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doom_gaze:
If you find yourself getting killed by them too often, go get some practice... and I don't mean practice at complaining on the boards.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I guess you missed my point entirely. I'm not saying ban the weapons, I'm not saying that people shouldn't use them, I'm not saying that they have the unfair advantage. What I'm saying is that every single DM game I have ever been in ends up with everyone in it using the Shotgun and the rocket launcher. I'm sorry I have a different opinion that some of you. I can understand how you feel the need to bash me because I don't think like you. Sorry, I conform now. I guess this is not the place to have an opinion, this is a place to show off my fancy sig, agree with the people who somehow know better than everyone else and keep spamming to get my post count up. This used to be a forum for people to discuss Medal of Honor: Allied Assault. But I guess I'll have to take my contrairy opinions elsewhere. Sorry to have started such a painfull topic.

Oh, no! Some weapons are better then others! Waah! Waah! Waah! Ban all weapons except SMGs!

And make running faster too so you can dodge better. Then it will be fair and I won't have to learn any strategy. I will be able to run around willy nilly without thinking, just shooting and dodging bullets.

And The Hunt is too hard for the Allies too. Just make it an open field.

Hopefully they will implement these things so everyone will end the game with equal kills and deaths. Yay! That will be fair!

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If you expect people in online games to be courteous or nice, you are in for some serious disappointment. Some are nice, some are selfish jerks. It sux, but you might as well get used to it. Just get over it, figure out some strategy, and proceed to kick the butts of these people! People who rely on the zook or shotty or sniper are easy to beat. The other weapons are better all around weapons.

The only thing that REALLY SUX, is chronic cheating. The occasional cheat is no big deal, but repeated cheating by even 1 player can really ruin the game.
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I have to agree with the bazooka not taking long enough to reload, though any of you saying that they were not used in house to house combat during WWII is incorrect, they were used with large troops or squads, but more common was the tank. The bazooka makes up for the loss of the tank in this game. Now for snipers, they can reload fast and take about 10 shots in less than 15 seconds which is impressive with those weapons, assumming that the rifle could hold that many shots. But the game allows 1 shot per second which is realistic enough cosidering that you have to reload and you still can't shoot immediately after reloading, still takes a second or two afterwards. So sniping is not really and issue in this game. Though in WWII it was more prominent in house to house fighting since there is a lot more places to hid in.

sigi you know nothing about the way the quake3 engine works.

what you see, is exactly where that model exsists at that time.

when you hit fire, you send a packet that tells the server hey im about to fire. someone with a LOW ping fires BEFORE someone with a HIGH ping.

dont talk to me about lag dumb ass im a fuckin network engineer for christ's sake.

Guys, don't say f**k and stuff like that..

Old man Polaris, BallisticWookie, and Skidropunk are watching us..

Oh yea don't forget about old women BadScript, hehe...

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[This message has been edited by spiewalk (edited January 19, 2002).]

Siggi- I don't think you're a jerk, just that you get people's tempers going for your amusement. I try not to provoke people here, and when I see someone else do it I get defensive. I wish people would be nice. But it seems that if they disagree with an opinion they have to abuse the poster. It is true that there are many egotistical hotheads here, and it is tempting to get them going. I, too, have had a little fun with provocative posts (in particular, one stating that all German soldiers were Nazis, as is Osama, etc.) People always seem to miss the sarcasm. Oh, well. I appreciate your last post above.

Ydiss- Actually I'm from NY. Sorry to mislead you. I put PA in my profile on a whim. I often play on Utah Beach server. It is a fave. Look forward to seeing ya there. I usually play for a couple hours somewhere between 5pm and midnight EST. My game name is also jonesy-the-cat. Give me a shout if you see me. Ever since I tried The Hunt it's all I play. And ya gotta love the realism mod! (No, Siggi, I don't think it makes the game realistic. See my post about MoH being unrealistic) Other good servers from here: Scapers Oven (realism) is good but seems to have some minor lag issues. The people who play there are nice so I deal with it. HongKongAction MOH Dojo is sometimes good, sometimes horrible. I remember enjoying -=[Xtreme]=- BlackDeath T1 also. There was a very good one called Silent Service but the name may have been changed to Utah Beach. Hope to see you around.

To disable the shitgun, delete the shotgun.tik in the pak0.pk3/models/weapons directory on the servercomputer. When somebody joins the server and chooses the shotgun he'll end up with a sidearm and some grenades.

Same goes for any other weapon you don't want to see on the server.

"It is a very BADLY done game." - Siggi

Why do you play then Siggi? You say because it's "fun". How can you have fun playing such a "badly done" game? If you think the game is crap, go play one you think is better. Leave the rest of us alone to enjoy MoHAA PLEASE.

You seem to be the kind of person who is not really happy with anything at all. Were you abused as a child? Perhaps you should seek some counseling. Maybe then you can get past all the bitterness you're spewing out and find something positive to say.

Disabling the shotgun is a lame alternative to developing skill in MoH.

Once I learned to use the other weapons better, I never use the shotgun anymore. It is too weak.

Oh, they didn't have shotguns in WWII? Guess again. But I suppose you think they had magic health packs that appeared when you killed someone so you could run over and be restored to perfect health.

What about Pong? That's utter shite but it's fun as hell. Ahem...it used to be. I don't play it anymore, really. Much. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

My tactic is to abuse developers of shonky games in the hope they'll get so sick of me they'll put some effort into a patch or upgrade. It's never worked yet but it's fun trying.

Bitter...nah. Jaded yes. As for this place, it's like finding a nest of vipers after being constantly bitten by the buggers for years and never being able to catch one. It's payback time. Vipers, those buggers who wreck games by cheating, abusive degenerates who spoil the fun on a good server, and players who think they have a god-given right to make use of other peoples' servers and then slag them when the lag isn't to their liking. I quite often turn MoH on and go watch TV whilst strangers come play. People like Ydiss stroll in without so much as a "Hi", abuse the service and run to the nearest forum to slag it. That's rich. Like he paid for it or something. It's the punk attitude..."I'm owed a free ride, and if it don't have air-con and a drinks cabinet I'm gonna howl."

Not bitter, just having a crack poking these maggots in the face. You think I'm sitting here all bent out of shape? I'm having hysterics most of the time. Maybe it's sick fun, but not half as sick as some of the bottom-feeders on this forum. If you take me too seriously it's your problem, not mine. I'm having a laugh...if you don't like what I post don't bloody read it mate. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

Now somebody please flame me, I'm running out of things to rant about.

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Pong was brilliant for it's time.
(no, I'm not joking)

The only time I take offense is when you start ranting at the programmers.

Do you work for a gaming company Siggi?
Do you program games for one?

I have enough difficulty programming myself to behave.

But I see where you're going. What you have to remember is I've now seen code as code should be...Il2. It can be done, Oleg and his team proved it. All the lies and BS spouted by western developers over the last few years are exposed for the self-serving crap they are. I guess next you'll tell me you're a programmer and how hard it is and poor 2015. Save it mate. I paid £35 for Il2 and it is the best example of fully functional complex code I've ever seen. Paying £35 for MoH will really stick in my craw.

Western developers are lazy, greedy and inherently dishonest. They pal-up to communities so they can sucker-punch them with shonky dreck. 2015 are about fit to code for consoles, but not for the PC. Pride alone should have led them to include prone in MoH, but the fat dollar comes uno supremo.

I may not program myself, but it's no arcane mystery to me either. I know what can be done and how. I see thru MoH like it's transparent. I see the cut corners, the laziness, the flaws, and the hype they spewed about it really gets up my nose.

Play dev-groupie all you like mate. Personally I have an aversion to clay feet.

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No, actually I do not program.
I am fairly proficient at TCP/IP and networking, but I would never be so boastful as to call myself an "expert".

Yes, you know where I am going. You are not a programmer. Perhaps you should stick to criticism of things you have knowledge about.
You are perfectly justified in correcting 2015 about realism, but please do not insult their programming skills or detication when you yourself know nothing about the subject.

But I do know something about the subject. Not a lot, but enough to know rough code from smooth code. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Sure, just go ahead and complain because someone can kill you constantly with a weapon their good with. What if people owned you with the Garand all the time. I bet you would say "I hate the Garand it ruins the game". Shut up and play. If you dont like it find another game. Sup Spie.