[quote="ED!":86ace][quote="SW-14":86ace]Bazooka_Joe

The ones ruining this site are the supposed "vets" who will jump on anyone for any reason at all.. Joe's sig is 100% right.[/quote:86ace]

Dude, you jump on here just to blanket generalize folks - what do you expect.

ENOUGH of this - "God you guys are [insert adjective here], but you better not flame me for that flame inducing comment". Gimme a break SW. Finish DC and stop stirring the pot.[/quote:86ace]

The reason I stopped posting as much (and I would guess, the reason many people left this site) is because so many people are just plain ass holes to everyone. Ed, the more you "flame" me, the more you prove my point.

[quote:926b6]The reason I stopped posting as much (and I would guess, the reason many people left this site) is because so many people are just plain ass holes to everyone. Ed, the more you "flame" me, the more you prove my point.[/quote:926b6]

Did nothing to answer the question. Why, seeing the tension level and knee-jerk-quotient as high as it is, would you hop on here JUST to post a dig at the "vets" as you and others seem fond of calling them. Just like I tell the battered women I see -

"You asked for it"

Why would I post a dig at the vets? To try to make them see that their arrogant attitude was the reason for the downfall of this site.

[quote:a56c9]Why would I post a dig at the vets? To try to make them see that their arrogant attitude was the reason for the downfall of this site.[/quote:a56c9]

Downfall is totally relative. Properyl admined AND maintained this site will easily return to its glory. As it is noone takes it seriously because the owner dont.

And if u freely go out to try and dig someone - then just be prepared for a response. Of course you can always take the "oh well I did that cause I knew youd respond THAT way"-route, but u deserve what u get.

I totally agree with ED on this one. I don't go out of my way to flame people, I am not overly rude to noobs or anyone else, but I am getting pissed off with the bugs that seem to be crawling from the woodwork to come here and pass judgement on a forum that they long since left.

So, unless you have decided to come back and post as normal and you truly have not just come back to say "Ohh, you're all so bad!" then take the "rude" advice you've been given and "fuck off".

Maturity is not just about being nice all the time. You can be mature and still give someone a hard time, if you have good enough reason to.

Coming here to stir trouble is not mature. You have no reason to do it.

So, please stop it.

Oh, and using generalisations when passing judgement is way worse than being told to fuck off.

[quote="ED!":f87cb][quote:f87cb]Why would I post a dig at the vets? To try to make them see that their arrogant attitude was the reason for the downfall of this site.[/quote:f87cb]

Downfall is totally relative. Properyl admined AND maintained this site will easily return to its glory. As it is noone takes it seriously because the owner dont.

And if u freely go out to try and dig someone - then just be prepared for a response. Of course you can always take the "oh well I did that cause I knew youd respond THAT way"-route, but u deserve what u get.[/quote:f87cb]

Ed, I disagree with you there. I just don't think a fansite for a computer game - one that has dwindling player counts - can stage a "comeback."

[quote:03481]Ed, I disagree with you there. I just don't think a fansite for a computer game - one that has dwindling player counts - can stage a "comeback."[/quote:03481]

I think the MOH fanbase is hardly dwindling. It's numbers have stayed consistent over its almost 2 year span. People still play the game agressively.

[quote="SW-14":fc198][quote="ED!":fc198][quote:fc198]Why would I post a dig at the vets? To try to make them see that their arrogant attitude was the reason for the downfall of this site.[/quote:fc198]

Downfall is totally relative. Properyl admined AND maintained this site will easily return to its glory. As it is noone takes it seriously because the owner dont.

And if u freely go out to try and dig someone - then just be prepared for a response. Of course you can always take the "oh well I did that cause I knew youd respond THAT way"-route, but u deserve what u get.[/quote:fc198]

Ed, I disagree with you there. I just don't think a fansite for a computer game - one that has dwindling player counts - can stage a "comeback."[/quote:fc198]

Relative again. I don't mind the forum how it is right now.

Plenty of posts, threads and heated discussion.

Every time I log on there are new replies.

Try doing that on any other single fan site and you could wait hours for a reply.

Fuck that.

Plus, who can tell me when this site last went down - Since BS stepped in, that is.

All we need is some mature and objective mods and we're back to the way it used to be a long time ago, except it's a forum for a game that is fast losing appeal across the world. Can't fucking help it if the game's shit, can we?

So, it's evident you don't like it here. Great. You know where the door is.

Ydiss, I was actually considering you as one of the good vets. After posting my original post, I wanted to change it to say "several vets," but was not able to do so. Sorry for what seems like a generalization. But there really is no denying that there are several members here who seem to go out of their way to be rude to everyone.

[quote:79e6c]Ydiss, I was actually considering you as one of the good vets. After posting my original post, I wanted to change it to say "several vets," but was not able to do so. Sorry for what seems like a generalization. But there really is no denying that there are several members here who seem to go out of their way to be rude to everyone.[/quote:79e6c]

Yanno if people would just come out and say who they have beef with and WHY then we might be able to work towards addressing that.

And people have GOT TO REALIZE the ages here start from 12 and go all the way up to [url=http://www.allaboutnothing.net:79e6c]176[/url:79e6c]. This is not an excuse for the profanity laden posts but you guys have got to stop being so definite in your judgements of people and start to look at whos posting what. If anyone here told me they didnt drop the F Bomb as a valid crit, or that they didnt speak before thinking then ill call yas a liar.

If you don't mind how the forum is now, why are you concerned about trying to bring it back to what it used to be?

Fair enough, but ED is someone I've always got along with no matter how confrontational he is. I get along with most of the rest, too despite the same things.

I don't know, I just have a higher tollerance than most people, I guess. But, despite that, I will still stick up for people here if I feel ED, Gerard, Tripper or anyone else is unfair to them.

But, in most cases, it seems the target of their ire is giving as good as they get and the only ones who are upset by it are the onlookers.

Live and let live I say... For example Arkan and myself had a few very drawn out arguments but despite what was said then I would actually consider him a friend here.

Just don't take it personally.

Like I've said time and time again, I don't really agree with some of the things that are said here and a large number of people are out of line but I'll tell them when they are, state my annoyance (possibly have a small flame war) and then it's forgotten.

It is impossible to assume that so many people from such varied backgrounds could all get on well all of the time.

If these forums are in such a bad way why does it still consistently have more posts and active members than just about any other?

Surely that cannot purely be down to the domain?

[quote="SW-14":fc645]If you don't mind how the forum is now, why are you concerned about trying to bring it back to what it used to be?[/quote:fc645]

Because there are no mods.

Edit: Which has nothing to do with the vets. That is BS's decision.

I've never really had a problem with Ed, either. Sure, you might be friends with those that have posted awhile here and may be able to tolerate them, but many can't. Tripper flaming people who simply have a different opinion about something gets old quite fast...

I'm assuming you're talking about MOHAA fansites? Those posts are primarily coming from people who have been here a long time. New people don't stay very long when, after making their first few posts, they're greeted by a barrage of "stfu"s.

Honestly - I've only seen a handful of people shot down, and thats only when they become hostile themselves or just weird people out.

Schlass, GERM, Redneck, Founding_Law k-i-a, etc. These are guys that got flamed to hell and back, and - except for Schlass, thought his banning was bullshit honestly - gave it honestly. Tripper does have a short fuse, and it can be intimidating, but I really cant remember when hes flamed when someone didn't deserve it. And again - I've never seen that behavior outside the OT on anykind of consistent basis.

I'm voting myself just for mods/skins.

[quote="SW-14":46944] I'm assuming you're talking about MOHAA fansites? Those posts are primarily coming from people who have been here a long time. New people don't stay very long when, after making their first few posts, they're greeted by a barrage of "stfu"s.[/quote:46944]

Different Strokes.

Those who don't like the way things happen here have every right not to post here. They can go and post on the many other forums available.

Whilst your statement that every noob is greeted with a barage of "stfu"s is not accurate, it does go some way to confirm that this site is not really the same as any other MoH site.

As I've said elsewhere, how dull would it be if every single site were the same?

I've tried posting on other forums and not one has held my interest for more than a bout 50 posts. Nor does any forum on this site, anymore, except this one (OT).

That's the way I see it and I can't see any reason why everyone should agree with it. It doesn't bother me, either.

I was happy with history, but it isn't that active.

Basically - it all boils down to BS. If he could just get things together or transfer the site so we can become "live" again - then this site would be poppin. I mean how long have we had this damn template for?

[quote="ED!":d6d74]Basically - it all boils down to BS. If he could just get things together or transfer the site so we can become "live" again - then this site would be poppin. I mean how long have we had this damn template for?[/quote:d6d74]
And still this site is one of the most active.

Damn even without mods it is still running happily and maintaining a heavy hit-rate.

Damn it must be a really shit site, no one posts here, right?

Shyeh.

I love these "who should be mod" threads. Everyone either volunteers or picks 2 or 3 people(most of the time those 2 or three would probably be a good mod). But the problem is once someone becomes a mod around here it seems they spend more time defending their modding then actually modding. Some threads should be locked... some people should be censured.. some people should be banned.
You cannot and should not expect the people that a Modding to always do what you think is right. But you can intelligently discuss what you think needs to be changed. If it does'nt change, too bad, so sad, move on.

There are lots of interesting people here. In the past I enjoyed being part of this site. If a Mod told me to stop flaming, I stopped. if a thread of mine got locked, I moved on no biggy.

So for all of you that think that you want to be mod here, good luck. I hope that people can show you a little respect.

[quote="Low spark":b7671]
So for all of you that think that you want to be mod here, good luck. I hope that people can show you a little respect.[/quote:b7671]

I agree with your post but picked this bit out.

Anyone who actually asks to be mod probably has less of a chance of having that respect. Most don't have a chance.

If BS ever decides to pick some mods it will be his choice. A few exceptions aside it always has been. In my experience here I'd say he hasn't always shown good judgment.

Picking someone who is nice and helpful doesn't always assure that you will get someone who is responsible or has good judgment. That's not directed at any one individual it's just an example.

I've read most of the replies, and i agree that it's tough for the general population to "elect" a mod, but think it's the best way. We all know who shows respect even when you're involved in a heated discussion with them. I had some spats with a few of them here but nothing to the point where i'd consider them to be bad mods. Take Gerard for example...i remember calling him Gerald during a flaming session and am the only one who can call him that and get away with it. He got over it and laughs about it now. And just like Ydiss said earlier, you can rough it up a bit with peeps here but still have mutual respect for one another. People like that make good mods for they can admit when they're wrong and stop short of a total flame-fest.

Hey, Ed and Pyro get my votes also.