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Cpt. Obvious 12-14-2003 09:27 PM

There is also the thing that contradicts every time travel movie. If you go back in time to change something and you do, you would have no reason to go back in time again. And thus leads to a paradox of possibilities such the destruction of the space time continuum(sp).

Is This Teh 70s? 12-14-2003 09:30 PM

(15) When I'm with my parents, I live in a community made up of "tree houses" on a large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and we have access to the Gulf. Most of our neighbors make a living off the sea or in moving cargo by boat.

Yes, he was an Ewok, aka Wickett the Ewok...

guarnere 12-14-2003 09:33 PM

[quote="Is This Teh 70s?":782a1](15) When I'm with my parents, I live in a community made up of "tree houses" on a large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and we have access to the Gulf. Most of our neighbors make a living off the sea or in moving cargo by boat.

Yes, he was an Ewok, aka Wickett the Ewok...[/quote:782a1]


LMFAO biggrin:

Is This Teh 70s? 12-14-2003 09:35 PM

Oh, shit, I'm from the past too ... I wanted to go to the '70s? But I guess I'm not there ... oOo:

bwolf 12-14-2003 09:39 PM

[quote="Is This Teh 70s?":7e4dd]Oh, shit, I'm from the past too ... I wanted to go to the '70s? But I guess I'm not there ... oOo:[/quote:7e4dd]
foolish..... ahhhhh gotta study... THREE EXAMS TOMORROW..... i'm going to die. hake:

Unknown_Sniper 12-14-2003 09:41 PM

[quote="Cpt. Obvious":2f2a8]There is also the thing that contradicts every time travel movie. If you go back in time to change something and you do, you would have no reason to go back in time again. And thus leads to a paradox of possibilities such the destruction of the space time continuum(sp).[/quote:2f2a8]
they supposedly dont exist anymore. IT gets a little complicated but il ltry to explain the MUltiverse theory.
In a nut shell theres not just one universe but an infinite amount. In each one theres some very small detail thats different. "time" is actually the passage from one universe to another. IF you have just tim flowing like a river there is no place to travel to. Yet if you have universes that "time" travels though the nyou do have a place to travel through. This all cancels out the efect of the dreaded paradox because there is a universe for everything. ONe where Hitler wins the war and one where he loose but lives, another where he wins and dies, another where he dies and loses. SO according to this theory he could be from another universe where this does happen but he came to our where it wont. so if his shit doesnt happen and he reads up on this theory I can almost gaurntee you he will be back saying we must have lucked out. thats just a briefe overview. I think I covered it good enough

Short Hand 12-14-2003 09:50 PM

[quote="Unknown_Sniper":e2e39][quote="Cpt. Obvious":e2e39]There is also the thing that contradicts every time travel movie. If you go back in time to change something and you do, you would have no reason to go back in time again. And thus leads to a paradox of possibilities such the destruction of the space time continuum(sp).[/quote:e2e39]
they supposedly dont exist anymore. IT gets a little complicated but il ltry to explain the MUltiverse theory.
In a nut shell theres not just one universe but an infinite amount. In each one theres some very small detail thats different. "time" is actually the passage from one universe to another. IF you have just tim flowing like a river there is no place to travel to. Yet if you have universes that "time" travels though the nyou do have a place to travel through. This all cancels out the efect of the dreaded paradox because there is a universe for everything. ONe where Hitler wins the war and one where he loose but lives, another where he wins and dies, another where he dies and loses. SO according to this theory he could be from another universe where this does happen but he came to our where it wont. so if his shit doesnt happen and he reads up on this theory I can almost gaurntee you he will be back saying we must have lucked out. thats just a briefe overview. I think I covered it good enough[/quote:e2e39]


NO

bwolf 12-14-2003 09:55 PM

[quote="Short Hand":84f62][quote="Unknown_Sniper":84f62][quote="Cpt. Obvious":84f62]There is also the thing that contradicts every time travel movie. If you go back in time to change something and you do, you would have no reason to go back in time again. And thus leads to a paradox of possibilities such the destruction of the space time continuum(sp).[/quote:84f62]
they supposedly dont exist anymore. IT gets a little complicated but il ltry to explain the MUltiverse theory.
In a nut shell theres not just one universe but an infinite amount. In each one theres some very small detail thats different. "time" is actually the passage from one universe to another. IF you have just tim flowing like a river there is no place to travel to. Yet if you have universes that "time" travels though the nyou do have a place to travel through. This all cancels out the efect of the dreaded paradox because there is a universe for everything. ONe where Hitler wins the war and one where he loose but lives, another where he wins and dies, another where he dies and loses. SO according to this theory he could be from another universe where this does happen but he came to our where it wont. so if his shit doesnt happen and he reads up on this theory I can almost gaurntee you he will be back saying we must have lucked out. thats just a briefe overview. I think I covered it good enough[/quote:84f62]


NO[/quote:84f62]

LMAO

ninty 12-14-2003 09:57 PM

I didn’t read the article, nor am I going to.

I wanted to respond to those who say time travel isn't possible. It is in fact, in my opinion it is quite the opposite.

Time travel has already taken place, and I can tell you exactly who:

Sergei Avdeyev, a Russian Cosmonaut spent 748 days on Mir orbiting the earth at over 17,000 miles per hour.

If we bring a little Einstein into the equation, he tells us that time is not constant. There is no universal clock that says one second is one second everywhere in the universe. Time needs to be thought of as it pertains to each individual. If we take that idea and combine it with the idea that the faster an object travels, the slower time goes, then we have successfully traveled into the future.

Clocks on all space stations and satellites orbiting the earth are a few one hundredths of a second adjusted forward for so they can stay in time with the earth. That is a fact. If they didn't do that, after years the clocks would be far being the actual time here on earth, because they are traveling closer to the speed of light than we are.

Sergei Avdeyev has spent a long time going 17,000 miles per hour. If time slows down the faster you go that would mean he is a few one hundredths of a second behind us on earth. Essentially this means he has traveled forward in time. His "body" clock is a few one hundredths of a second behind our time; however he is living on earth at earth time.

Don't take my word for it though; go read the Special Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein.

bwolf 12-14-2003 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty9
I didn’t read the article, nor am I going to.

I wanted to respond to those who say time travel isn't possible. It is in fact, in my opinion it is quite the opposite.

Time travel has already taken place, and I can tell you exactly who:

Sergei Avdeyev, a Russian Cosmonaut spent 748 days on Mir orbiting the earth at over 17,000 miles per hour.

If we bring a little Einstein into the equation, he tells us that time is not constant. There is no universal clock that says one second is one second everywhere in the universe. Time needs to be thought of as it pertains to each individual. If we take that idea and combine it with the idea that the faster an object travels, the slower time goes, then we have successfully traveled into the future.

Clocks on all space stations and satellites orbiting the earth are a few one hundredths of a second adjusted forward for so they can stay in time with the earth. That is a fact. If they didn't do that, after years the clocks would be far being the actual time here on earth, because they are traveling closer to the speed of light than we are.

Sergei Avdeyev has spent a long time going 17,000 miles per hour. If time slows down the faster you go that would mean he is a few one hundredths of a second behind us on earth. Essentially this means he has traveled forward in time. His "body" clock is a few one hundredths of a second behind our time; however he is living on earth at earth time.

Don't take my word for it though; go read the Special Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein.

thus you can only go forward in time.... you can make time slow don't, but it can't go backwards.... i've tried telling them

Short Hand 12-14-2003 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty9
I didn’t read the article, nor am I going to.

I wanted to respond to those who say time travel isn't possible. It is in fact, in my opinion it is quite the opposite.

Time travel has already taken place, and I can tell you exactly who:

Sergei Avdeyev, a Russian Cosmonaut spent 748 days on Mir orbiting the earth at over 17,000 miles per hour.

If we bring a little Einstein into the equation, he tells us that time is not constant. There is no universal clock that says one second is one second everywhere in the universe. Time needs to be thought of as it pertains to each individual. If we take that idea and combine it with the idea that the faster an object travels, the slower time goes, then we have successfully traveled into the future.

Clocks on all space stations and satellites orbiting the earth are a few one hundredths of a second adjusted forward for so they can stay in time with the earth. That is a fact. If they didn't do that, after years the clocks would be far being the actual time here on earth, because they are traveling closer to the speed of light than we are.

Sergei Avdeyev has spent a long time going 17,000 miles per hour. If time slows down the faster you go that would mean he is a few one hundredths of a second behind us on earth. Essentially this means he has traveled forward in time. His "body" clock is a few one hundredths of a second behind our time; however he is living on earth at earth time.

Don't take my word for it though; go read the Special Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein.

We need a smile with a jaw that drops to the floor....

ninty 12-14-2003 10:07 PM

I read something on a professor that said time travel back in time was possible, however it would only be allowed once the "time machine" was activated.

That is to say if I built a time machine and turned it on right now, I could only travel back to the moment I turned it on. So after 100 years someone could come back to the time I turned it on, but no one could travel back to 1960 or 4000BC or whatever.

I'll try to find the fellow i'm talking about.

ninty 12-14-2003 10:12 PM

http://www.boston.com/news/local/connec ... _possible/

This is a really great article. If your interested in this stuff, its a good read. This was the guy I was talking about.

[quote:244bd]Mallett's theory is based largely on Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity and his special theory of relativity. The general theory states that the closer an object is to a gravitational source, the slower time moves. Under the special theory, Enistein said the faster an object, like a jet, moves relative to the speed of light, the slower time moves.

This was proved in 1975, when Einstein's theory was tested by using two synchronized atomic clocks -- one on an airplane and another on the ground. When the plane landed, the time of its clock was behind the one on the ground, though by only fractions of a second, Mallett said.

"But this proves you can travel into the future," he said.

Travelling into the past is a bit more complicated, and that's where Mallett's theory goes beyond Einstein's theories. Mallett believes that light also generates a gravitational field.

[/quote:244bd]

There you go. Time travel into the future is possible. Its already been done and proved.

Vance 12-14-2003 10:17 PM

It's a shame that John Titor is from the future, but he only has a shitty 0.5 megapixel webcam.

imported_Fluffy_Bunny 12-14-2003 10:33 PM

Tell me more about this bible code, that sounds interesting.

Cpt. Obvious 12-14-2003 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty9
http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2003/09/11/uconn_professor_on_quest_to_prove_time_travel_poss ible/

This is a really great article. If your interested in this stuff, its a good read. This was the guy I was talking about.

[quote:d7098]Mallett's theory is based largely on Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity and his special theory of relativity. The general theory states that the closer an object is to a gravitational source, the slower time moves. Under the special theory, Enistein said the faster an object, like a jet, moves relative to the speed of light, the slower time moves.

This was proved in 1975, when Einstein's theory was tested by using two synchronized atomic clocks -- one on an airplane and another on the ground. When the plane landed, the time of its clock was behind the one on the ground, though by only fractions of a second, Mallett said.

"But this proves you can travel into the future," he said.

Travelling into the past is a bit more complicated, and that's where Mallett's theory goes beyond Einstein's theories. Mallett believes that light also generates a gravitational field.

There you go. Time travel into the future is possible. Its already been done and proved.[/quote:d7098]
the government should do experiments on this by sending a rocket in to orbit with a large fuel supply and have it orbit around earth at a very high speed. Then they would compare the rockets clock with the clocks on earth.

Short Hand 12-14-2003 10:53 PM

[quote="Cpt. Obvious":92efe]
Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty9
http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2003/09/11/uconn_professor_on_quest_to_prove_time_travel_poss ible/

This is a really great article. If your interested in this stuff, its a good read. This was the guy I was talking about.

[quote:92efe]Mallett's theory is based largely on Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity and his special theory of relativity. The general theory states that the closer an object is to a gravitational source, the slower time moves. Under the special theory, Enistein said the faster an object, like a jet, moves relative to the speed of light, the slower time moves.

This was proved in 1975, when Einstein's theory was tested by using two synchronized atomic clocks -- one on an airplane and another on the ground. When the plane landed, the time of its clock was behind the one on the ground, though by only fractions of a second, Mallett said.

"But this proves you can travel into the future," he said.

Travelling into the past is a bit more complicated, and that's where Mallett's theory goes beyond Einstein's theories. Mallett believes that light also generates a gravitational field.

There you go. Time travel into the future is possible. Its already been done and proved.[/quote:92efe]
the government should do experiments on this by sending a rocket in to orbit with a large fuel supply and have it orbit around earth at a very high speed. Then they would compare the rockets clock with the clocks on earth.[/quote:92efe]

I could just see a NASA Press guy announcing that to The US public. Im sure everyone would consider it to accomplish something.

Basiclly people were spending 3 billions dollars of your tax dollars to compare a clock in space with a clock on earth......

Cpt. Obvious 12-14-2003 10:55 PM

I just thought of something, earth is hurdyling through the universe at a unknown speed. So if earth suddenly stopped moving through the universe time would stop.

Short Hand 12-14-2003 10:58 PM

[quote="Cpt. Obvious":61735]I just thought of something, earth is hurdyling through the universe at a unknown speed. So if earth suddenly stopped moving through the universe time would stop.[/quote:61735]

again



........NO

Fireal 12-14-2003 11:08 PM

How can you travel through something that isnt tangible???

ninty 12-14-2003 11:23 PM

The earth travels at 67,100 miles per hour and in an orbit around the sun. We don't hurdle through the universe because of the sun's gravity. If the sun were to suddenly disappear, we would not break orbit until 11 minutes after the sun disappeared. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Not even gravity. So after the eleven minutes, then earth would hurtle away in a straight line and we'd be dead.

If the earth stopped moving, which isn't possible, time would probably speed up. I will try to explain why time slows down when you speed up:

Imagine a cylinder that has only a top and bottom, or if it makes it easier, a glass cylinder, but the glass can be penetrated. The cylinder has a mirror on either end and contains a particle of light bouncing up and down off the two mirrors. One bounce of the particle of light = one second. Now when you move the cylinder, the particle of light (assume the light can travel through the glass sides of the cylinder) has a further distance to travel to hit the other mirror. The faster you move the cylinder, the further the particle of light has to travel. If the light has to travel further, but remember it is still only one second per bounce off the mirror, the only way this can be explained is that time slows down as you travel faster.

So if time slows when you speed up, I suppose it is safe to assume that if we stop moving time would speed up to infinity.

However, I’m not really sure about that, and I doubt there is any way to prove it either way.

ninty 12-14-2003 11:27 PM

[quote="Animal Mother":a5039]How can you travel through something that isnt tangible???[/quote:a5039]

What isn't tangible?

All that happens is your time slows down in comparison to others. Everything still goes on as normal.

If you travel into the future, its not like those things haven't happened, they are happening in the present.

If you travel for one minute, and that equals one hour on earth, you have traveled 1 hour into the future, but it was one hour on the earth. Things stil happened people were murdered banks were robbed and people had sex. It all has to do with the conception of time.

bwolf 12-14-2003 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty9
The earth travels at 67,100 miles per hour and in an orbit around the sun. We don't hurdle through the universe because of the sun's gravity. If the sun were to suddenly disappear, we would not break orbit until 11 minutes after the sun disappeared. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Not even gravity. So after the eleven minutes, then earth would hurtle away in a straight line and we'd be dead.

If the earth stopped moving, which isn't possible, time would probably speed up. I will try to explain why time slows down when you speed up:

Imagine a cylinder that has only a top and bottom, or if it makes it easier, a glass cylinder, but the glass can be penetrated. The cylinder has a mirror on either end and contains a particle of light bouncing up and down off the two mirrors. One bounce of the particle of light = one second. Now when you move the cylinder, the particle of light (assume the light can travel through the glass sides of the cylinder) has a further distance to travel to hit the other mirror. The faster you move the cylinder, the further the particle of light has to travel. If the light has to travel further, but remember it is still only one second per bounce off the mirror, the only way this can be explained is that time slows down as you travel faster.

So if time slows when you speed up, I suppose it is safe to assume that if we stop moving time would speed up to infinity.

However, I’m not really sure about that, and I doubt there is any way to prove it either way.

we kind of are hurlding through the universe, becua seth esun isn't stationary... well hurdling isn't a proper word, but the sun is moving rapidly and we're moving relatively rapidly around it. But you're right, time wouldn't stop if the earth somehow stopped.... i'm glad you know your stuff ninty9.
rock:

bwolf 12-14-2003 11:35 PM

animal mother, you seem to have this idea that time doesn't exist just because you can't touch it.... what's between when you're old and winkley and how you are right now.... time. and it proven to be related to light.

Fireal 12-14-2003 11:37 PM

[quote=ninty9]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Animal Mother":52f24
How can you travel through something that isnt tangible???

What isn't tangible?

All that happens is your time slows down in comparison to others. Everything still goes on as normal.

If you travel into the future, its not like those things haven't happened, they are happening in the present.

If you travel for one minute, and that equals one hour on earth, you have traveled 1 hour into the future, but it was one hour on the earth. Things stil happened people were murdered banks were robbed and people had sex. It all has to do with the conception of time.[/quote:52f24]

Time isnt tangible

Cpt. Obvious 12-14-2003 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwolf
animal mother, you seem to have this idea that time doesn't exist just because you can't touch it.... what's between when you're old and winkley and how you are right now.... time. and it proven to be related to light.

Yah its like the theory of the really fat guy. He can't touch or see his penis but it is still there.

bwolf 12-14-2003 11:41 PM

[quote="Cpt. Obvious":f77fe]
Quote:

Originally Posted by bwolf
animal mother, you seem to have this idea that time doesn't exist just because you can't touch it.... what's between when you're old and winkley and how you are right now.... time. and it proven to be related to light.

Yah its like the theory of the really fat guy. He can't touch or see his penis but it is still there.[/quote:f77fe]
exactly

Fireal 12-14-2003 11:44 PM

TIME DOESNT EXIST.
ITS A MEASURMENT.
get that throught your stupid emo skull

bwolf 12-14-2003 11:45 PM

[quote="Animal Mother":5b55f]TIME DOESNT EXIST.
ITS A MEASURMENT.
get that throught your stupid emo skull[/quote:5b55f]
if its a measurement.... what is it a measurement of.... you ignored that question earlier, for it has no answer. time can be measured, and it is in seconds, minutes, years...

i see we've gotten you down to insulting.... always happens when you have an argument based on nothing.... gg

Fireal 12-14-2003 11:46 PM

For example
Time measures
Point A to Point B
Subject A to Subject B

bwolf 12-14-2003 11:47 PM

[quote="Animal Mother":03889]For example
Time measures
Point A to Point B
Subject A to Subject B[/quote:03889]
that doesn't meaure anything.... so between you and me write now is time?
oh... you mean a point in time to another point in TIME

Fireal 12-14-2003 11:49 PM

Like measure the time it takes to travel from point a to point b

bwolf 12-14-2003 11:50 PM

[quote="Animal Mother":0dac5]Like measure the time it takes to travel from point a to point b[/quote:0dac5]
so TIME is a measurement of TIME? ooooooohhh
annoy:

ninty 12-14-2003 11:50 PM

As stated before, just because you can't touch something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And your right. It's a measurement. It's the same as height, length and depth.

Your not traveling "through" it per-say, you are simply warping a fourth dimension, or one time dimension if you don't believe time is the fourth dimension.

Fireal 12-14-2003 11:52 PM

Think about this.
According to his site he was born in 1998
That would mean he is 5.
What if Little john saw big johns site, Little John then Dies 2 seconds later, leaving the site on his screen.
Would the site exist?

Fireal 12-14-2003 11:52 PM

[quote=bwolf]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Animal Mother":e3a5a
Like measure the time it takes to travel from point a to point b

so TIME is a measurement of TIME? ooooooohhh
annoy:[/quote:e3a5a]

Same as feet is a measurement of distance

bwolf 12-14-2003 11:54 PM

[quote="Animal Mother":52f1b]Think about this.
According to his site he was born in 1998
That would mean he is 5.
What if Little john saw big johns site, Little John then Dies 2 seconds later, leaving the site on his screen.
Would the site exist?[/quote:52f1b]
who is little john? and we we talking about the fictional guys site?
and if he was born in 1998 and comes back in 2036, his aging doesn't go down (because backwards through time is impossible) so he isn't 5, he is 38. his site was posted at present time, and your question basically answers why we can't go backwards though time..... only forwards.

bwolf 12-14-2003 11:56 PM

[quote="Animal Mother":a8e6d][quote=bwolf]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Animal Mother":a8e6d
Like measure the time it takes to travel from point a to point b

so TIME is a measurement of TIME? ooooooohhh
annoy:[/quote:a8e6d]

Same as feet is a measurement of distance[/quote:a8e6d]
but you're saying time is a measurement of time, but time doesn't exist.... so time is a measurement of itself, but itself is inexiistant.... so then the measurement doesn't make any since and the end of the world is near.

Fireal 12-14-2003 11:57 PM

You misunderstood.

John is a 5 year old supposedly.
When big John comes from 2036 to now.
Big Johns site http://www.johntitor.com
Little John sees Johntitor.com
Little john dies with Johntitor.com on his screen.
What happens to johntitor.com?

ninty 12-14-2003 11:59 PM

[quote="Animal Mother":ba58c]Think about this.
According to his site he was born in 1998
That would mean he is 5.
What if Little john saw big johns site, Little John then Dies 2 seconds later, leaving the site on his screen.
Would the site exist?[/quote:ba58c]

I didn't read the site, so I wish you wouldn't use it as an example, but I think I know where your going. I'll take a stab at it.

Little John would not beable to die if he is to grow up and create a site, then travel back in time.

The site wouldn't exist, no if Little John died and was never able to grow up and make the site. Is that what your saying?

If that is, what I'm saying is Little John can't die if he is to grow up.

This is somewhat like the Grandfather paradox.

If I go back in time to see my grandfather and then I kill him, how was I ever alive to actually go back in time and do that? It's not possible. This is one reason why some think its not possivle to travel back in time.

But this entire time i've been talking about traveling forward in time, not back.


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