But you're forgeting that the Muslims that do blow theirselves up and do things like attack schoolbusses and all do it in the name of "Jihad". It matters little what you say the deffinition is, its the people who are pulling the triggers that show us the true meaning of Jihad.

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[quote:dff10]Prior to science people needed an explination for the events in their lives[/quote:dff10]

Tell me how science has explained the creation of the universe. I know the've got this big bang thing, but doesn't it start with one big blob of matter? How could there be matter, or even space itself without something there to create it? For me, the only logical explination points to God.

stfu nub

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[quote:ccf62]Prior to science people needed an explination for the events in their lives[/quote:ccf62]

Tell me how science has explained the creation of the universe. I know the've got this big bang thing, but doesn't it start with one big blob of matter? How could there be matter, or even space itself without something there to create it? For me, the only logical explination points to God.[/quote:ccf62]

Went over your head there did I? No problem, allow me to clarify.....

I am not saying that science has replaced religion, that is just not true.

What I am saying is that in ancient times, before man had any concept of "why" religion filled the part, it could awnser questions that then had no awsners. I am not pointing to specific facts...Im being very general here so don't get out of whack.
I am not a person to judge or ridicule your beliefs, I think that spirituality is a wonderful thing that each person should strive to accomplish. I aplaud your desire to be a better person.

Now to address your concerns about the universe....there is no proven answer, plain and simple. However things can exsist without being created. Lets use life as an example, which is more probable?

a. A hidden and mysterious infinate being of power specifically created us in a splendid garden for no apparent reason beyond the beings own amusment and is controlling not only our world but the entire cosmos.

or

b. Given billions upon billions of planets all different in composition and enviroment, not only would life be cultivated on our planet, but possible on literly billions of other worlds as well.

I don't know the truth any more than anyone else, these are only theories. But I must side with science, I just have more faith in nature and ballance than ancient stories edited by dark age clerics.
Once again no disrespect intended, I am only trying to clarify my possition on the matter.

[quote="Eight Ace":e6993]This is why people are running out of patience with "all the good muslims" like panzer presumably...
why don't they rise up and stamp out radical extremeist muslims that are debasing their precious "faith"?

Because throughout the islamic world, the moderate muslims are themselves being terrorised
on a daily basis and the vast majority are afraid to speak against it and powerless to stop the
extremists who will simply kill/blow-up any rational opposition. All they can do is say "oh, that's
not real islam" or "that's not real jihad"....
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Seriously, tell me wat i am supposed to do? I am just a teenager who lives in good ol' Edmonton, Alberta. And u wonder why nobody stands up against the terrorists in the arab countries, its because they will be immediately killed for going against them. Not only will they kill u, but kill ur family. I know i wouldnt want that. Other people support them because they are the only ones helping the palestinians.

A. God is not hidden. Almost every culture on earth acknowlages his existence. People have an inborn desire to worship.

B. True. I don't know if there is life anywhere else, but if there was it would have absolutly no effect on my beliefs. I just don't believe that life can be cultivated by chance allignment of molucules over billions of years. Unless God chose evolution (Not Apes-Men, if that were the case, apes wouldn't exist as apes anymore) as a means to "cultivate" life.

[quote:6a212]Other people support them because they are the only ones helping the palestinians.[/quote:6a212]

Why help a people who's chosen tactics dictate attacking school children and other civilian targets.

stfu nub.


because STONE COLD SAID SO.

give me nudies

I'm surprised the East London Massive haven't paid a visit to that chap.

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":fedcb]I'm surprised the East London Massive haven't paid a visit to that chap.[/quote:fedcb]

They're probably far to busy dipping the pockets of their fellow COCKneys.

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":a899c]I'm surprised the East London Massive haven't paid a visit to that chap.[/quote:a899c]
I'm suprised by that too....the area around the mosque is probably so heavily
muslim dominated that they have their own massive to protect it and him.

I swear to god the only people who realize that Islam is a fanatical religion are Noc, pick, eight ace and I. Everyone else here is too freaking spellbound with their "knowledge" of the koran to think its evil. If the Islam was all about peace and love why are Muslim Clerics in middle eastern countries allowing radicals to recruit terrorists in the mosques? Wouldnt the priests in America, Canada, Britian, Austrailia etc. put their foot down because they know blowing up women and children is wrong?

Thats what I hate most about you guys, guilt has been completely by passed.

That's like saying every catholic priest is a kiddy fiddler, moderate muslims are ok, these fanatic nutcases though... We can't go on a Crusade & rid the world of Muslims whether they declare a Jihad or not.

There is nothing wrong with Islam, its just been perverted by fanatics the same way Christianity gets perverted by aborition bombings, televangelists and door to door Jehovas Witnesses.

Only Judaism deserves any type of respect. Cathloics had the Crusades, and the Islam has its unjustified jihads.

I vote baptists & Jew. beer:

[quote="Short Hand":69230]Only Judaism deserves any type of respect. Cathloics had the Crusades, and the Islam has its unjustified jihads.

I vote baptists & Jew. beer:[/quote:69230]
Hey they have their share of the blame too. They could do more to establish peace in Palestine by cooling off and not bulldozing houses. They have their hands in alot of bad shit too. Alot of innocents died in Israeli excitement and overreaction. They also have a history of brutalizing reporters and anyone from the outside trying to report on what is going on.

the next world war will more that likely be fought over religion. It wont be "mine is better than yours" but it will be some whacko will do something horrible in the name of a religion.
Religion can do wonders for some people, it can change thier lives for the better but there are some that will screw it up and find hate in it. I am not a religious person but I feel you have the right to follow what ever religion floats your boat, just dont knock on my door and tell me Im going to hell if I dont jump on your bandwagon. There is nothing wrong with Muslums, Christians, Johovas Witnesses or any others you can think of. Its a free world believe what you want but it will lead to a war.

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God With Us

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that's pretty ironic when Schicklegruber and his minions tried to dismantle Christianity in Germany and set in place pagan religions based on a cross between Norse myth and the Aryan superiority bullshit