actually i did a major presentation in my philosphy class, a 1 hour presentation on the war and the Ethics of it all. I did not take a stance in presenting it, I only presented both sides arguements and at the end of class I told them to decide for themselves. it was a 20 minute power point so it was long. I showed them where the oil exports were going what US companies privatized the Iraqi utility's, showed Saddam's mass graves & how much of a insane person Uday his son was etc. It got to quite a few people so I think it worked. I remained neutral threw out class not taking a side threw it. I decided it was bets for the day.

[quote="Short Hand":67ac9]

-The man who wrote that article, John Fund" is a right extremist. (More fanatical then a Tree Hugger")

-He is a Wife Beater. If you didn't know about that little incident

-This guy is rumored to have multiple affairs. From what I see he is another Right "sided" scum bag.(Not that the left does not have any as well) If you take what he wrote in that article seriously then seriously you are just feeding into his bullshit.

-Never take a 3rd rate columnist's internet postings as anything but biased crap.

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you didnt deal with the facts in Fund's article but resorted to name calling: right extremist, wife beater, philanderer, right "sided" scum bag, and finally a 3rd rate columnist...absolutely nothing about the facts he presents about Moore's style of filmaking that overlooks facts in order to make his point.

the debate was over when you started the ole mud sling because you resorted to what you so detest: ignoring the issues and start with the name calling...followed by me being clueless because i disagree with you. i respect your opinion but dont feel the need to go to personal attacks to circumvent the point

i still stand by Fund's article in spite of all his inadequecies as a man (Clinton was a man-whore but that didnt seem to sway Democrats and liberals in general to question his judgment)

[quote=Chappy]you didnt deal with the facts in Fund's article but resorted to name calling: right extremist, wife beater, philanderer, right "sided" scum bag, and finally a 3rd rate columnist...absolutely nothing about the facts he presents about Moore's style of filmaking that overlooks facts in order to make his point.

the debate was over when you started the ole mud sling because you resorted to what you so detest: ignoring the issues and start with the name calling...followed by me being clueless because i disagree with you. i respect your opinion but dont feel the need to go to personal attacks to circumvent the point

i still stand by Fund's article in spite of all his inadequecies as a man (Clinton was a man-whore but that didnt seem to sway Democrats and liberals in general to question his judgment)[/quote:9369b]

your calling me mmud slinging when your the one who started this with micheal moore. Its not a mud slinging contest.

+ please tell me why anyone should take Mr Fund seriously the man is a bigger so called joke then moore if you consider him one. He beat his wife had mutiple affairs, is hated by 90 % of major news papers in America. Of course im not going to take his bull seriously just like you take Mr Moore's stuff as bull.


- Did Clinton marry his whore then beat the shit out of her ? Did Moore marry someone then beat the fuck out of her ? No' but MR Fund did.

+ BUSH IS A RETARD OMG ASNNSFKLJFNOSFNLJKN!!!!11 (sarcasm for the slow ones)

[quote="Short Hand":1aaf4]+ BUSH IS A RETARD OMG ASNNSFKLJFNOSFNLJKN!!!!11 (sarcasm for the slow ones)[/quote:1aaf4]

It gets funnier and funnier everytime you say it, shit bag rolleyes:

I could give a shit less what you guys above the boarder think of America, we dont need your help or your opinions, we're the world power not you, we help countries, we overthrow dictators, if youve got a problem with that fine, sound off. Last thing I think about each day is what short an idiotic jizz stain thinks of our president, it's completely irrelevent. It's quite funny how pyro and the other "smart canadian lefties" of the forum say we get into other peoples afairs to much, but what are they doing? They are sticking their noses into our politics. If you believe that a country should mind its own buisness mind your own. Short, words cannot express how big of a leftist annoying cunt you really are. I hope you crash your POS riced out car. OMG 200KM/H? I had that 2.2l rocking. Die.

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your calling me mmud slinging when your the one who started this with micheal moore. Its not a mud slinging contest.

+ please tell me why anyone should take Mr Fund seriously the man is a bigger so called joke then moore if you consider him one. He beat his wife had mutiple affairs, is hated by 90 % of major news papers in America. Of course im not going to take his bull seriously just like you take Mr Moore's stuff as bull.


- Did Clinton marry his whore then beat the shit out of her ? Did Moore marry someone then beat the fuck out of her ? No' but MR Fund did.

+ BUSH IS A RETARD OMG ASNNSFKLJFNOSFNLJKN!!!!11 (sarcasm for the slow ones)[/quote:eda2d]

i didnt start anything because i didnt call moore any kind of names, just that he makes biased hateful movies

and once again you proved my point for me...you didnt deal with any facts, just went back to the name calling. What Clinton did was as bad as you hang around Fund's neck. I don't care what Michael Moore's personal life is like, its not my concern...I dont like his work and I dont agree with his opinions. I dont agree with how his lunatic rants are picked up by mainstream democrats and suddenly become sound bytes that are nothing but mean-spirited.

jumping to infantile remarks and personal attacks is the quickest way to show that you actually have no substance behind all the wind youre throwing at me. You call Fund a right wing lunatic and I call Moore a lunatic in general. why would I respect what Fund writes about? the same reason why you would respect the kind of movies that Moore makes. you are doing the same thing you are accusing me of...putting aside the character traits of moore (you called him a nutbag) in order to see the movie just as i put aside Fund's shortcomings to read what he writes about Moore. same thing

just watched the trailer and it looks pretty cool, i cant wait to see it

who would Michael Moore rather support? Clinton or Gore?

[quote="Garry Coleman":8ab73]who would Michael Moore rather support? Clinton or Gore?[/quote:8ab73]

Clinton was a VERY fucking good president. Gore is a douche bag.

[quote=Fireal]Clinton was a VERY fucking good president. Gore is a douche bag.[/quote:5ef5a]both are pretty much douches in my opinion.

Clinton was awesome. He shouldnt get a different Rap just because he fucked some fat whore. HE had our economy fucking money. Bush, in my opinion was the best person to fill his shoes

the president gets blamed for the economy (good or bad) and much of it really doesn't soley rely on their work.

[quote=Fireal]Clinton was a VERY fucking good president. Gore is a douche bag.[/quote:6f1aa]

what did clinton do?

he forgot bin laden was a terrorist and didnt capture him when he had the chance

[quote="Short Hand":71200]just curious ? where did I ever in my post "their" call bush a retard ?

Please argue my point not some liberal stereotype you have summed up in your head.

In regards to your "article that you "dug" up. Mr JOHN FUND" article.

Of course points in the movie may be over exploited, it is a movie. It is gonna happen. But even with that Bs you still see the right un blurry images of what is happening. It is just plain & simple to see.

- He opens with sub concious obligatory comments towards the French. Stereotypign them to get "a bit of good luaghs out of any anti French type person, thus literally hooking 90 % of all right winged readers who read that.]

-Ill tell you this Cannes is alot more respectable then The Golden's & Academy Awards.

-The man who wrote that article, John Fund" is a right extremist. (More fanatical then a Tree Hugger")

-He is a Wife Beater. If you didn't know about that little incident

-This guy is rumored to have multiple affairs. From what I see he is another Right "sided" scum bag.(Not that the left does not have any as well) If you take what he wrote in that article seriously then seriously you are just feeding into his bullshit.

-Never take a 3rd rate columnist's internet postings as anything but biased crap.

-The gun and bank thing fact is "They still let him buy the gun and handed it to him in the bank"

As Far as I see MIcheal Moore is a bit of a nut job, but he has the general right idea. He has a clue unlike you.

Bush is a retard. beer:[/quote:71200]

beer:


strange that he got an award on cannes though. even if you can agree with him, he dont make artistic movies, hes trying to change america.

its funny as a swede seeing him really exagurate his arguments to make it clear for the jankies... lol.

I hope he wins the oscar again.

a movie about Bush bashing that wins a French award, no surprise. If the people at Cannes read forums, there would be some of you that would win awards there.

Pulp Fiction won at Cannes.


Must have been the 'La Royale' part, right?

Um.. Clinton's NAFTA was responsible for the long-term destabilization of the American economy...

As for Michael Moore.. I don't even know what to say. He tries to sound so cool and "enlightened" but he tells 1/10th of the story. He omits so many relevant facts that completely change the context of things that it is ridiculous. Notice Conservatives have no Michael Moore equivalent.. nor an equivalent of the NAACP/ACLU.. or San Fransisco.. etc etc

Bill O'reilly?

O'Reilly's an attention tramp

look at the ratinfgs in imdb:

you can tell who is conservative and who is liberal

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361596/ratings

I stand with Chappy.


But I will say that although I don't agree with a dang thing that Michael Moore says I firmly believe in his constitutional right to free speech. I just wish that he also respected my constitutional rights. And, I wish he would tell an honest story and let the people make up their minds, instead of hiding the facts in his "investigations" that refute his agenda.

maybe he is telling an honest story, but you just dont want to belive it

I haven't seen him tell an honest story yet. Although I must admit that I have not seen Bowling for Columbine because I did not want to support his efforts with my money. However, I have read about it in a wide variety of publications and it is well documented that he skewed the facts when they didn't tell the story that he wanted to tell. If you skew the facts then you are not telling an "honest story".

Anyone interested in Moore's film should think about downloading "911 - The Road to Tyranny" by Alex Jones. It's very good.

[quote="Short Hand":45dc1]actually i did a major presentation in my philosphy class, a 1 hour presentation on the war and the Ethics of it all. I did not take a stance in presenting it, I only presented both sides arguements and at the end of class I told them to decide for themselves. it was a 20 minute power point so it was long. I showed them where the oil exports were going what US companies privatized the Iraqi utility's, showed Saddam's mass graves & how much of a insane person Uday his son was etc. It got to quite a few people so I think it worked. I remained neutral threw out class not taking a side threw it. I decided it was bets for the day.[/quote:45dc1]
so, im assuming that you had a long red line from those oil reserves to france and russia, right? otherwise, YOU WERE BIASED! and showed all those little russian and frenh missiles and weapons the bathist army was using? and the WMD's going into syria. and that the majority of iraquis are actually happy to have us there, its just a minority of thugs from syria and lebanon fuking shit up, right?

[quote=Fireal]Clinton was a VERY fucking good president. Gore is a douche bag.[/quote:d4a3e]
yea, great pres. liked the whole downsizing of the army and selling of nuclear secrets to china thing. and dont forget about his giving up of a chance to kill OBL. the 9/11 commision wants to blame some1 (other than the rat asses that planned and carried it out), blame clinton for letting him live, then telling americans we deserved it.

I like bill o'rielly. go after some1 more extreme <whispered: limbaugh,limbaugh>

I have absolutley no respect for anyone who likes or finds Bill O'reilly's arguments accurate.

You dislike me cry:

I don't know how anyone can take him seriously. I know conservatives like him, because he has a conservative point of view, but his arguments are so stupid. he seems to me like hes more concerned with creating a controversy or calling epople idiots than actually discussing the topic. And that's why he's on FOX.

If you go to his site you can pick off something wrong right away:

The O'Reilly Factor (Friday 6/4)
40th anniversary of D-Day oOo:
Bill speaks to author Jon Meachum, who is also managing editor of Newsweek, about the sacrifices made 40 years ago, and whether or not America would make the same sacrifices today.

I know he didn't personally put that up, thats just an example. I also don't like him because he doesn't like Canadians, or anyone out side of the US. I think thats kind of narrow minded. He seems like someone who would say "France sucks" and would never go there to see if he was right because of his pride. His views seem skewed more so then Michael Moore's. You don't like Michael Moore, I don't like Bill O'reilly. That's just me though.

[quote="Garry Coleman":c4e08]You dislike me cry:[/quote:c4e08]

Well you conservatives are morons, so why would anyone respect you?

yet another pursuasive argument from the wierd lookin cat sig guy

persuasive. Yet another spelling mistake from a guy I don't even fucking know and really should just leave aa.com because his radical views are too fucked even for us.

Ps. Coleman, we still cool yo.

views too radical? or just not in agreement with yours? i dont think ive said anything warranting my leaving...guess you'll just have to learn to live with me.

You could have whatever views you want...I'm just saying usually people like Noctis and other conservatives go out of their way to destroy liberal ideas yet I don't really see that from Liberals.

I'm not even Liberal...can't tell what I am...all I know is that in Canada, conservatives and liberals suck...but liberals don't want war and i'm with that.