[quote="Short Hand":558ef][quote:558ef]So your amp DOES overheat? That is NEVER good happy:[/quote:558ef]

undr the same conditions most amps would. only the super brands can resist that kind of straning.[/quote:558ef]
haha nope. No decent amp overheats under normal conditions. My eclipse amp (unless you call that a super brand) has never overheated, or come close. And I push the hell out of it. It gives 130x2 to my CDT components ASWELL as 400watts to my sub through the use of passive x-overs. Hardly gets hot.

cuss:

[quote=jujumantb]undr the same conditions most amps would. only the super brands can resist that kind of straning.[/quote:327ec]
haha nope. No decent amp overheats under normal conditions. My eclipse amp (unless you call that a super brand) has never overheated, or come close. And I push the hell out of it. It gives 130x2 to my CDT components ASWELL as 400watts to my sub through the use of passive x-overs. Hardly gets hot.[/quote:327ec] imwithstupid:

sooooo a amp in a trunk at 50 + Celcius, with no air ventalation pumping our 800 watts of power + continous bass that most amps in its class are gonna hold out ? My step dads 900 Watt Kenwood gives out, My old Rockford monoblock 1000 watt block amp gave out as well, which is why i took it back. I got this one and it lasts longer in hard heat and performs great. rolleyes: , i hate to say it but any amps juicing out more then 500 watts rms in a heat sink design with out any ventilation such as fans is gonna over heat. or at least give in a little, which happens to mine rarely.


what was the price on that amp aswell. Ill compare it to the price i put on mine.

The Iriver looks better. but I dont want to pay that much. 250 is plenty enough for me

if $$$ is an issue, look at the creative zen's fireal.

[quote="Short Hand":8e54d] i hate to say it but any amps juicing out more then 500 watts rms in a heat sink design with out any ventilation such as fans is gonna over heat. or at least give in a little, which happens to mine rarely.


what was the price on that amp aswell. Ill compare it to the price i put on mine.[/quote:8e54d]
Ok let me start out with this: I know ALOT more about car audio than you.
Next, you are so incredibly wrong! First off, do you know the classes of amps and what they mean? Probly not, I'll explain.
Class A - Not many out there, US Amps and TRU makes some IIRC. Extremely inefficient meaning they waste alot of power to heat, but they sound amazing. They are more prevelent in home audio.
Class B - Very efficient but sound like azz, little to none are sold as car audio amps.
Class A/B - ahh, here we go. These are 95% of you multi-channel amps out there. If your amp has more than 1 channel, its a class A/B amp. These are, as the name implies, a compromise between class A and class B. They are somewhat efficient (around 50%) and can sound pretty decent.
Class D - If you have a true monoblock amp, it is probly a class D. These amps are very efficient (up to 80%) meaning LITTLE heat and lots of power. Thats why they are usually used in high power applications. They dont sound good, but thats why we put them on subs where they arent noticably bad. They have recently come out with some full range class D (or class T as they are being called) which they have managed to get to sound pretty good.
The point of that is with a class D amp, you can have a 1200watt amp and it wont overheat nomatter how hard you drive it or how hot is it outside. Not all of course, some do overheat but saying all amps over 500RMS overheat is plain stupid. I've owned 3 amps over that and none of them have ever overheated. Kenwood amps suck ass, thats why your dads overheated. Rockfords are decent. What model? If its a class D monoblock like you said, I'm surprised it is shutting down. You are running 0 guage power and ground right?

BTW my eclipse was $350 locally.

mine was 160 US. pushes out 800 watts at 4ohms mono. Alright ? now all im fuing saying here buddy is that for the price to performance that is fucking good. + it barely ever over heats in comparison to all my former amps. ffs. don't get all im a fucking car audio god on me here. Ive been building systems for years. + fial to see how you posting the amps classification rating had any relevance to WHAT we are idsscussing the first place. Your just trying to sound like your a genius on the topic. Its frustrating, you just did it to Himmler now your trying to pull this bs on me. it ain't kool or 1337.

he actually knew wtf he was talking about both times..... hes not claiming to be a god, hes talking about shit he knows about

and he types in .. .you guessed it..... readable fucking sentences!!! OMG!!! annoy:

[quote="Short Hand":62c45]mine was 160 US. pushes out 800 watts at 4ohms mono. Alright ? now all im fuing saying here buddy is that for the price to performance that is fucking good. + it barely ever over heats in comparison to all my former amps. ffs. don't get all im a fucking car audio god on me here. Ive been building systems for years. + fial to see how you posting the amps classification rating had any relevance to WHAT we are idsscussing the first place. Your just trying to sound like your a genius on the topic. Its frustrating, you just did it to Himmler now your trying to pull this bs on me. it ain't kool or 1337.[/quote:62c45]
I posted the amp classes so you could see why your 500+ RMS amps overheat statement was stupid since different classes of amps have different efficiencies (ie a 500watt class D amp is MUCH different than a 500watt class A/B amp), I guess you didnt catch that. Its just frusterating because I'm not getting anything across to you. Sorry if I sound like a know-it-all or whatever but trust me, I KNOW what I'm talking about.
What MODEL is your amp?

fuji stfu , thats not what i was talking about you dolt. I was saying that has no relevance to what we were talkign about at the time. now stfu and go back to fuck face eclispe. Im tired of you jumping into to threads to start bs with me.

its a A/B thats why ffs. is yours a D ? + my trunk itself heats from any where to 50 Celcius (not ferenheit), it even explains in the manual here that its not good to operate it at that level. rolleyes: so yess there will be over heating, thats all iwas stating about my amp and other multi chanel amps in its class.

[quote="Short Hand":72153]Your just trying to sound like your a genius on the topic. Its frustrating, you just did it to Himmler now your trying to pull this bs on me. it ain't kool or 1337.[/quote:72153]

you never said that did you? mustve just slipped out....

and im not starting shit with you, i stated my opinion without saying anything about anyone in the movie thread, and you commented about it... making you the instigator of that argument.

your a fucking retard, you should have taken a clue in at exalt when everyone told you to die.

[quote="Short Hand":ccf28]its a A/B thats why ffs. is yours a D ? + my trunk itself heats from any where to 50 Celcius (not ferenheit), it even explains in the manual here that its not good to operate it at that level. rolleyes:[/quote:ccf28]
Mine is A/B aswell. If yours is A/B, are you sure its a monoblock and not a 2-channel that you bridged to 1-channel?

[quote=jujumantb]Infinty is iffy. Their component speakers are nothing special unless you like bleeding ears from their screaming highs.. ughh. Their Perfect line of subs is very good though. When you are talking about kicker's square subs, people usually say solobaric not "square blocks", just so you know :) And what line? L5 or L7?
What model rockford amps? $50 says they dont put out 2000 watts, and therefor, you should not refer to them as 2000 watts amps. And what the hell is "pre" 0 guage? I see you have infinty tweets, but what are you using for midbass/midrange? What are you crossing them over with? And what do you mean by reinforced glass and what does that have to do with your system? Unless you are doing 160dB's, you would never need reinforced glass. Learn to fiberglass yourself and you would save tons of money.[/quote:99880]

no they dont put out 2000 + watts, i know that, thats just the sticker label wattage, even though my 2200 GTX is labeled 1200 it puts out not that much , i know that. Please people Lets not go and deam me fucking retarded in the areas of car audio, ive installed tons of system, including my own. So lets not get started on this i know dick al bull shit. thats just fucking low.

[quote=jujumantb]Mine is A/B aswell. If yours is A/B, are you sure its a monoblock and not a 2-channel that you bridged to 1-channel?[/quote:11c92]

did i say it was a mono block ? / blah sorry. its a 2 channel/1 amo. my mistake. its currently running bridged blah" at 1. Its dedicated for the subs. If i said mono block back somewhere in the thread (my mistake). amp - XM 2200 GTX.

Shut the fuck up. happy:

[quote="Short Hand":b7334]your a fucking retard, you should have taken a clue in at exalt when everyone told you to die.[/quote:b7334] eek:

ive never gone to exalt, no desire to either.
but, i guess a completely false, and made up argument is better than none...

[quote="Short Hand":5ece9][quote=jujumantb]Infinty is iffy. Their component speakers are nothing special unless you like bleeding ears from their screaming highs.. ughh. Their Perfect line of subs is very good though. When you are talking about kicker's square subs, people usually say solobaric not "square blocks", just so you know :) And what line? L5 or L7?
What model rockford amps? $50 says they dont put out 2000 watts, and therefor, you should not refer to them as 2000 watts amps. And what the hell is "pre" 0 guage? I see you have infinty tweets, but what are you using for midbass/midrange? What are you crossing them over with? And what do you mean by reinforced glass and what does that have to do with your system? Unless you are doing 160dB's, you would never need reinforced glass. Learn to fiberglass yourself and you would save tons of money.[/quote:5ece9]

no they dont put out 2000 + watts, i know that, thats just the sticker label wattage, even though my 2200 GTX is labeled 1200 it puts out not that much , i know that. Please people Lets not go and deam me fucking retarded in the areas of car audio, ive installed tons of system, including my own. So lets not get started on this i know dick al bull shit. thats just fucking low.[/quote:5ece9]
I never said that, I just said I know more than you. I know that sound childish and all but I dont know how to put it nicely. I'm not saying it to demean you or anything, I just want you to take in what I'm saying. The last 3 years of my life has been audio. Car and home. When someone in the area needs a system put in or advice, they come to me for it. Again, not trying to sound conceded even though I probably do..

.........this is why himmler got mad at you.

[quote="Short Hand":f3315][quote=jujumantb][quote="Short Hand":f3315]its a A/B thats why ffs. is yours a D ? + my trunk itself heats from any where to 50 Celcius (not ferenheit), it even explains in the manual here that its not good to operate it at that level. rolleyes:[/quote]
Mine is A/B aswell. If yours is A/B, are you sure its a monoblock and not a 2-channel that you bridged to 1-channel?[/quote:f3315]

did i say it was a mono block ? / blah sorry. its a 2 channel/1 amo. my mistake. its currently running bridged blah" at 1. Its dedicated for the subs. If i said mono block back somewhere in the thread (my mistake). amp - XM 2200 GTX.[/quote:f3315]
Well I dont have experience with that amp so I cant really comment on it. Are you 100% sure you are wired to 4 ohm? That can make them overheat quickly. I'm sure you have it right though. Other than that, try building a little rack with fans to get the air over the heat sinks.
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^ thats my rack. Works well. The fans are pulling air not pushing BTW, more efficient that way in my experience.

its hard to get that across in the internet, but if he overacts that bad, thats his problem. calmdown:

to bad you should have taken this advice when you were argueing about music with tripper fucktard.

do as i say not as i do, you have no room to talk about internet ethics
calmdown:

[quote=jujumantb][quote="Short Hand":d67bd][quote=jujumantb][quote="Short Hand":d67bd]its a A/B thats why ffs. is yours a D ? + my trunk itself heats from any where to 50 Celcius (not ferenheit), it even explains in the manual here that its not good to operate it at that level. rolleyes:[/quote]
Mine is A/B aswell. If yours is A/B, are you sure its a monoblock and not a 2-channel that you bridged to 1-channel?[/quote]

did i say it was a mono block ? / blah sorry. its a 2 channel/1 amo. my mistake. its currently running bridged blah" at 1. Its dedicated for the subs. If i said mono block back somewhere in the thread (my mistake). amp - XM 2200 GTX.[/quote:d67bd]
Well I dont have experience with that amp so I cant really comment on it. Are you 100% sure you are wired to 4 ohm? That can make them overheat quickly. I'm sure you have it right though. Other than that, try building a
little rack with fans to get the air over the heat sinks.
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^ thats my rack. Works well. The fans are pulling air not pushing BTW, more efficient that way in my experience.[/quote:d67bd]


i currently am, (building one) it never over heats as long as the AC is on. etc. Its probably the best high wattage budget amp I have ever gotten to use. This is a testament on Sony's behalf. price and all etc. Iv'e got the rack built, just the fans i ordred from Custom Fx don't come in until Saturday, blah, it was a bitch to build since i had to mount if on the back seat (cavaliers trunk bracket = to small to hold this thing, its a tad to large)

[quote="Short Hand":fe9da]
i currently am, (building one) it never over heats as long as the AC is on. etc. Its probably the best high wattage budget amp I have ever gotten to use. This is a testament on Sony's behalf. price and all etc. Iv'e got the rack built, just the fans i ordred from Custom Fx don't come in until Saturday, blah, it was a bitch to build since i had to mount if on the back seat (cavaliers trunk bracket = to small to hold this thing, its a tad to large)[/quote:fe9da]
Are we still talking about the rockford or a sony now? Take pics I wanna see it! Atleast some when you are all done. Good call on the fans. I was impatient and massively overpaid for ratshack fans...

next time i visit bolton, ill get my firends digi and ill send the pics threw pm :). i got rid of the Rockford, its a ony now, 2200 GTX.

+ can you do fibre glass ? I've gotta learn it, something I may take up soon.

sigh just lock this thread or something, start a new car audio thread

yes and lots of sexy pictures.

biggrin:

[quote="Short Hand":c66d9]next time i visit bolton, ill get my firends digi and ill send the pics threw pm :). i got rid of the Rockford, its a ony now, 2200 GTX.

+ can you do fibre glass ? I've gotta learn it, something I may take up soon.[/quote:c66d9]
I pretend like I can :)
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I made the kick pods and the sub eclosure at the bottom.
Its tough at first, takes some practice to get good at it. I always plan on painting it glossy at the end, but then get impatient and end up vinyling or carpeting everything.
I'll dig up some good tutorials for you.
You can get most of the materials at homedepot or checkers or the like. You will need fiberglass resin, fiberglass mat/cloth, autobody filler (bondo), and whatever you are going to finish it with. All of those things the Bondo brand makes.
http://chris.pfharlock.com/glass/
http://web.njit.edu/~cas1383/proj/main/
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Arch ... 23080.html
It just takes alot of patience. I got really frusterated my first couple attempts. So far I've done 2 sets of kick pods, an entire trunk amp rack, and 2 sub boxes. I'm still not very good at it :)

http://web.njit.edu/~cas1383/proj/focus_trunk/index.htm

JL audio featured the Sony MP80 in one of their systems of the month. :)

+ you really gotta re do the interior of that car, to black , carpet job, paint the side panals, its will cost you a good 80 bucks, but it would be completely worth it, the black box there looks so out of place right now c :(

[quote="Short Hand":aa874]http://web.njit.edu/~cas1383/proj/focus_trunk/index.htm

JL audio featured the Sony MP80 in one of their systems of the month. :)[/quote:aa874]
I just looked into that deck. I'm actually quite impressed. Love the look of it, looks like they took a page from eclipse's decks. Sony did something right there :)
And yeah the car is crap. I dont care haha I'm going to college without it this fall so I'm not gonna invest in the car at all. I go for SQ not looks if you couldnt tell. Well, I like how my trunk looks but I really dont care much. The sub up front was just to enhance the soundsatge so everything comes from in front of me.

SHUT UP PLEASE!!
MY THREAD ABOUT AN iPOD NOT ANYTHING ELSE! GET EACH OTHER'S SN's OR MSNM ADDRESS AND ARGUE THERE! GUAR OR ZONER PLEASE LOCK THIS! I'VE HAD ENOUGH!

Ipods are for tree hugging conservative neptunian liberals. I own three of them myself.

I see, although 80 bucks really aint to much on an investment, considering it will make a huge cosemetic diffrence in the car. Im re doing my panals in my car to a full black look., it adds a more crisp feeling, the deck does kick ass, the only thing you gotta be careful for is the face panal, the glass damages easily + the face plat is a fucking whore to get off , next to impossible at times.

we are recycling old thread jot. we are conserving the internet. I thought you would have been proud.

i love my ipod, the other day my brother said to me "you treat that thing like its your only son" biggrin:

Jotun your going to love it