[quote="Short Hand":257cc]ok TGB im not economic expert...but I do kind of know things like this

When you promise expensive reforms & programs, and you currently do not generate a surplus, but only a defecit, how do you plan on paying, or making good on these promises ?(if you have no money for things like them in the first place..) It is a simple question I ask.

This money either has to come from some where else, or you have to generate more taxes... Or pray for some sort of miraculous year in the economy...[/quote:257cc]

Kerry has proposed to spend over 2 trillion dollars in his first two years in office, meanwhile raised taxes will account for only a few billion of that. I can't remember the exact number, but he's proposed something like a 1.9 trillion dollar deficit. Why is no one discussing this? Oh yeah, because Kerry's one and only platform is that Bush sucks.

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[quote="Short Hand":c53bb]rolleyes:

FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote:c53bb]

FLIP FLOP YOUR ASS BACK TO CANADUH AND STFU OK AHHHHHHNNOLD?

the anger.

the idiocy

the ego

the misundsersteanding

the nosiness

the steroids

the dumb opinions

stfu slut

WTF HAPPENED TO NO FLAMING?

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":24c3a]FUCK YOU![/quote:24c3a]
THATS IT, NO GF PICS FOR YOU

I wouldn't mind paying an extra hundred bucks in taxes if it went towards something i cared about. I'm not greedy like some people, a hundred dollars is nothing these days. Raise taxes i say if its going towards a good cause.

I think we need to buy every soldier abroad a good pair of Oakley sun glasses oOo: happy:

your one to talk. rolleyes:

My vote is up in the air at this point... I have a few key things to consider:

Fiscally speaking, I think the Republicans have it right, I'm afraid that if John Kerry gets into office, I'm going to be taxed to shit. Unlike ktog3, I don't want national health care or any unnecessary social programs. If I can afford my own health care, good for me. Yes, I'm that filthy of a capitalist pig. Oink Oink.

Security wise, I'm not sure who is going to do a better job. I think we need more diplomacy and less of the "shoot first ask later" mentality. I'm concerned if GW Bush is elected we'll be starting another war soon, which also has a potentially negative effect of the economy. However, I think our nation is at a very high risk for terrorist attack; even though 9/11 was 3 years ago, it still happened, and a lot of good innocent people died. I don't ever want to see anything like that happen again. Bush has prevented it for a few years, but I fear that he may just be pissing off the terror groups even more.

In regards to Foreign Policy, I like GW Bush's conviction; some says its a symptom of being stubborn or bullheaded. I disagree and think it is a very respectable thing to take such a firm stance. If he were to back down or change his mind, it could be considered a sign of weakness. However, being a "strong defender of freedom" may not be the best thing for our nation. The economy is quickly becoming global. If we force other countries to be "for us or against us" we can disrupt free trade and hinder our ability to grow.

I guess in a nutshell, I am afraid that Kerry will drive us into tax driven inflation hell (think Jimmy Carter) and Bush will steer us into Rome-esque war mongering. Which is worse? I don't know. I like Bush's character much more than Kerry's, except for the diplomacy thing. Ohh what a choice; God Bless America!

Caught Sadam.

[quote:06143]The economy is quickly becoming global. If we force other countries to be "for us or against us" we can disrupt free trade and hinder our ability to grow.
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US has way to much economical clout for 2-3rd tier economies to thumbs their collective noses up to us for acting unilaterally...all the major capitalist countries have an irrevocable stake in our nation...as goes the US economy so goes the world...and thats where our true power lies IMHO.

I think the major factor everyone seems to forget is what happens when the Arab states decide to turn the oil faucet off? Or it runs out? But then again that might...might drive the price of oil up and other nations would suffer...unless they act unilaterally and cut a deal with Russia, Venezuela...etc

Id like to see a major move towards a renewable energy source or alternative, AFORDABLE energy substitue.... cause the dino bones aint gonna last forever.... hake:

Magnets.

US has way to much economical clout for 2-3rd tier economies to thumbs their collective noses up to us for acting unilaterally...all the major capitalist countries have an irrevocable stake in our nation...as goes the US economy so goes the world...and thats where our true power lies IMHO.

I think the major factor everyone seems to forget is what happens when the Arab states decide to turn the oil faucet off? Or it runs out? But then again that might...might drive the price of oil up and other nations would suffer...unless they act unilaterally and cut a deal with Russia, Venezuela...etc

Id like to see a major move towards a renewable energy source or alternative, AFORDABLE energy substitue.... cause the dino bones aint gonna last forever.... hake:[/quote:e62a4]

I agree with the renewable energy source idea, although its not at the top of my list of priorities. Why? I'm a heartless bastard and I've read that theres enough oil to last til the end of my lifetime cool:

In all seriousness, you're right about other countries having major dependancies on the value of the US dollar and in our economy. However, look at China; their economy is growing faster than anything else on record. Is it possible that they could surpass us in economic strength? If so, do we then become dependant on them? Do other countires look to China for strength and support? I'm not sure that this will happen, and if it does, it certainly won't be next week. But its something to consider. India is also an up and coming economic force. Lots to think about

Re: Thoughts on the RNC
 

ROFL!!!!! rock:

[quote="Short Hand":c8072]ok TGB im not economic expert...but I do kind of know things like this...[/quote:c8072]

Absolutely irrelevant. The United States has been operating with a trade def for quite some time now (one that is many times that of the federal def). We borrow what we dont have. However the bottom line is that Kerry believes the economy will miraculous multiple by leaps and bounds simply by virtue of him getting into office, and that raising taxes on folks making over 200K, penalizing American companies that are getting out of the tax quagmire that is the US tax code, and initiating 2 trillion dollars worth of bloated government will all somehow work itself out with each other. Not gonna happen.

[quote:0b3fa]Is it possible that they could surpass us in economic strength?[/quote:0b3fa]

Not any time soon. While their growth rate is high we can attribute that to relaxed econ regulation on a closed market. However, the purchasing power per capita is like 4-6 thousand dollars. Thats what happens when centralized China is fast becoming urbanized, and you still have 100's of millions of Chinese farmworkers living in the midlands. Central China is 1st world, mainland China is still 3rd world.

um , check your facts bub, by the year 2020 or so, china will be the strongest economic power. their only problem, like us are the environmental concerns. so bascially by 2100 economic growth wont matter and governments will be too busy scrambling to clean up the planet

[quote="TGB!":1ff53][quote:1ff53]Is it possible that they could surpass us in economic strength?[/quote:1ff53]

Not any time soon. While their growth rate is high we can attribute that to relaxed econ regulation on a closed market. However, the purchasing power per capita is like 4-6 thousand dollars. Thats what happens when centralized China is fast becoming urbanized, and you still have 100's of millions of Chinese farmworkers living in the midlands. Central China is 1st world, mainland China is still 3rd world.[/quote:1ff53]


+ ive heard wages are increasing and workers are becoming a bit sauvy...still cheap but i think with time the standard of living will rise for the china men...also take into consideration that the trwemendous growth is due to the government seeing the writing on the wall and allowing more independant growth and indivdual wealth...i dont think they will surpass us though....US doesnt like not being #1 sleeping:

Operation: China

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haha fucking nazis

[quote="TGB!":83d09][quote="Short Hand":83d09]ok TGB im not economic expert...but I do kind of know things like this...[/quote:83d09]

Absolutely irrelevant. The United States has been operating with a trade def for quite some time now (one that is many times that of the federal def). We borrow what we dont have. However the bottom line is that Kerry believes the economy will miraculous multiple by leaps and bounds simply by virtue of him getting into office, and that raising taxes on folks making over 200K, penalizing American companies that are getting out of the tax quagmire that is the US tax code, and initiating 2 trillion dollars worth of bloated government will all somehow work itself out with each other. Not gonna happen.[/quote:83d09]

[quote="George Jackson":83d09]
Some economists ask: What is so bad about a trade deficit? After all, trade is mutually beneficial, so those who export to America are benefiting as much as those Americans who buy the products. This statement completely misses the point. It's not a question of deficits per se: it's a question of 'bad deficits' v 'good deficits'. To some economists, there is no such thing. Wrong again, just as so many of them are wrong about growth and consumer spending.

What I intend to stress is that bad deficits are like the spots measles produce. They are symptoms, not causes. Now the bad deficit occurs when the central bank lets loose with the money supply, usually through our old enemy credit expansion. Now I have already discussed elsewhere how this monetary policy triggers booms and inflates asset values. But there is also the effect on the trade balance.

Inflating spending leads to an increased demand for imports. Eventually the demand grows, unless monetary policy is tightened, until it reaches the point where the central bank sees it as another warning signal that monetary policy needs to be tightened.

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This is the problem. TGB. were generating "bad deficits" instead of good ones. All threw the Clinton years deficits happned etc etc(trade), but they were not damaging like the ones experienced today. This would explain the slow growth in the economy, & unemployement increasing, Salary's in jobs not going higher etc, etc ,etc. This is what a lot of economists are trying to explain. Yet you get bone heads on Fox news, paid by Good Ole Murlock to say otherwise.

[quote:675db] This would explain the slow growth in the economy[/quote:675db]

A RECESSION and 9/11 explains the tapering off of the economy.

[quote:675db]unemployement increasing[/quote:675db]

Unemployment DECREASED.

[quote:675db]Salary's in jobs not going higher[/quote:675db]

Average hourly wage INCREASED.

[quote:675db]This is what a lot of economists are trying to explain. Yet you get bone heads on Fox news, paid by Good Ole Murlock to say otherwise.[/quote:675db]

Youre a. . .well you know what you are. Jesus fucking christ stop Googling and do some real world research.

it was theory i was offering up on your idea of the deficit being a good thing". rolleyes: rolleyes:

[quote="Mr. maple":d718d][quote="Mr.Buttocks":d718d][img]http://jmc7.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Images/asshole.jpg[/img][/quote:d718d]


haha fucking nazis[/quote:d718d]

[quote=Pyro][quote="Mr. maple":18625]
haha fucking nazis[/quote:18625][/quote:18625]

I thought it was a good pic aswell.

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":7c51c][img]http://jmc7.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Images/asshole.jpg[/img][/quote:7c51c]

ShortHand must have beat off to that pic.

i did., between Dubta's smile and that sexy mustache.

read: Pyro and Shorthand, I respect your right to have an opinion that isn't the same as mine but it is so tiring to read the same stuff over and over from you guys. You arent adding anything new and constructive to the argument; in other words, we know how you feel about the current administration, enough said.

All I did this entire thread was quote a picture. I have not said a word yet.

And then!

Not a fucking word outta you eh?

I can see how you think bush and hitler are the same, I mean you guys only appear to have the most jaded media since nazi germany.Short, Its not your fault that youre a dumb overgrown pea brained cambodian kid adopting, priorly drug using ahhhnold want to be, its the medias fault. Remeber Short, the media is only half the reason why youre a douchebag rolleyes:

this is the first political thread i have gotten really involved in in a long time here buddy. Spare me your shit. + i kept it civil. rolleyes:

That had to do with Noctis and egging him on cuz he mentioned my name at the start.

[quote="Short Hand":7cdfe]this is the first political thread i have gotten really involved in in a long time here buddy. Spare me your shit. + i kept it civil. rolleyes:[/quote:7cdfe]

I dont, ive had enough of you as the rest of the forums. You dont engage in political debate because your opinion is shit, you cant vote all you can do is turn on youre fucking television. You dont live here you cant appricate our histroy, our lands, our people or anything. YOUR OPINION MEANS DICK.

[quote:7cdfe]That had to do with Noctis and egging him on cuz he mentioned my name at the start.[/quote:7cdfe]

But you said all you did was quote a picture, and no speaking.

[quote=MrLevinstein]I dont, ive had enough of you as the rest of the forums. You dont engage in political debate because your opinion is shit, you cant vote all you can do is turn on youre fucking television. You dont live here you cant appricate our histroy, our lands, our people or anything. YOUR OPINION MEANS DICK.

[quote:abf14]That had to do with Noctis and egging him on cuz he mentioned my name at the start.[/quote:abf14]

But you said all you did was quote a picture, and no speaking.[/quote:abf14]

I forget things.

[quote=MrLevinstein]I dont, ive had enough of you as the rest of the forums. You dont engage in political debate because your opinion is shit, you cant vote all you can do is turn on youre fucking television. You dont live here you cant appricate our histroy, our lands, our people or anything. YOUR OPINION MEANS DICK.

[quote:2de56]That had to do with Noctis and egging him on cuz he mentioned my name at the start.[/quote:2de56]

But you said all you did was quote a picture, and no speaking.[/quote:2de56]

actually I took 2 years of American History (University level threw grade 11 and 12..)

But you know.... that doesn't matter, I have no clue about American history......My opinion means dick.. you know what..


That is not going to stop me from voicing it mother fucker. beer:

[quote="Short Hand":f465a][quote=MrLevinstein]I dont, ive had enough of you as the rest of the forums. You dont engage in political debate because your opinion is shit, you cant vote all you can do is turn on youre fucking television. You dont live here you cant appricate our histroy, our lands, our people or anything. YOUR OPINION MEANS DICK.

[quote:f465a]That had to do with Noctis and egging him on cuz he mentioned my name at the start.[/quote:f465a]

But you said all you did was quote a picture, and no speaking.[/quote:f465a]

actually I took 2 years of American History (University level threw grade 11 and 12..)

But you know.... that doesn't matter, I have no clue about American history......My opinion means dick.. you know what..


That is not going to stop me from voicing it mother fucker. beer:[/quote:f465a]

HAVE YOU LIVED IT FIRST HAND? You can read all you want, you have to live/love in america to truely appricate it. So short hand wheres this fucking jealousy come from. Why must you be such a little cunt and hate everything that we do.

It never has stopped you from talking out of your ass. You pmed me several times during your little fiasco and i almost respected you as a human being, but i forgot how much shit you talked about america and former presidents with alheimerz. I suggest you go toa rux shop and rent some clothes and play 1920's chicago gangsters again. Either that or write your penpail in gana

I Love America. They're definally part of the reason I have the life I have now. Which is also another reason why american politics are maybe even more important to Canada, than our own elections.