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Trunks 02-15-2005 07:37 PM

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im sorry if I offended you. But every since Israel was established in 1948, all the wars it particpated in was only because it was attacked first, and i will prove it. Ah I found it. This site shows all the wars and gives a little bit of info about them. I was a bit off as it seems that israel did attack in some of them, but If you look into the summary of those wars you will see y Israel reacted the way it did.
http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html
EDIT: Umm, merlin, I was being sarcastic...

Why do you think the arab nations attacked with such force? just because?

they attacked I am assuming because they have always been enemies with jews etc, and they were very against the jews having their own country, and wanted to bring them down in any way possible. Of course there may be some deeper down reason in there but that is the most probable one.

strvs 02-15-2005 07:39 PM

The jews did nothing to reconsile with the arabs. they knew very well that the arabs disliked them, yet they hastily installed a jewish nation. Now, any fool can see this is probably going to start a war.

Pyro 02-15-2005 08:53 PM

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Israel shouldn't be allowed to have the army they have imo. If we can say shit about Iraqs power and so on...why should Israel? I guess they like fighting wars as much as their favourite country USA.

What is your beef with Israel? Just curious.

I just think we praise them here too much, when they were at fault for the palestine-israeli wars as well.

Israel-Palenstine Wars reminds me of this years NHL Lockout.

Pyro, I dont know what sh-t youve been hearing but let me clear things up for you.
1) We arent affraid of powerful/large militaries, we are afraid of WMD's.
2) Israel is our only ally in the middle east so it would do us some good if it were a force to be rackoned with.
3) They werent at fault for any wars. In all the wars faught against Israel, including the conflict with paestinians, (whom I might add blow up themselves, run away, andd use women and children as human shields), Israel was always the one defending, and therefore it has never been the agressor.

Then fuck I guess we can consider the American Revolution terrorism then.

Trunks 02-16-2005 01:26 PM

The arabs have always hated them. Y just not make a jewish nation? Well it could have to do with the fact that the jews were almost annihilated off the face of this earth! The jews were given useless desert land, and through hard work and determination they transformed it into an inhabitable place. The arabs were jealous, and that coupled with previous hatred lead them to attack. And pyro, actually, the American Revolution had a huge amount of terrorism. Mainly American militia men and even the regular army using unconventional guerilla style warfare. It all depends on your perspective. In the eyes of the british they were terrorists, but in the eyes of the americans they were heroes and freedom fighters. Same thing for Iraq. In our eyes they are insurgents and rebels, but in their eyes they are holy warriors, and freedom fighters.

strvs 02-16-2005 04:00 PM

That dosent prove me wrong. Who couldnt forsee a jewish-arab war after the inception of israel deep in arab occupied land? really. this could be considered an act of aggression on the jewish part, although it may not be the traditional definition.

1080jibber 02-16-2005 04:21 PM

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hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt,

Israel & Palestine both teach it in there schools to hate one another. There is racism in the America, France, and Britain, but it is not taught in the schools.

Trunks 02-16-2005 05:31 PM

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hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt,

Israel & Palestine both teach it in there schools to hate one another. There is racism in the America, France, and Britain, but it is not taught in the schools.

that is where u are wrong. I knwo for a fact that israel does no such thing. I have family who live currently and have lived there. The only people who they are taught to hate are the ones who shoot innocent people, and blow themselves up. And strvs I am sure jews forsaw conplications with the neighboring arab countries but i doubt they were expecting a full scale war.

Maplegyver 02-16-2005 05:33 PM

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hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt,

Israel & Palestine both teach it in there schools to hate one another. There is racism in the America, France, and Britain, but it is not taught in the schools.

that is where u are wrong. I knwo for a fact that israel does no such thing. I have family who live currently and have lived there. The only people who they are taught to hate are the ones who shoot innocent people, and blow themselves up.

you sir are a racist.

Trunks 02-17-2005 09:56 AM

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hehe, u make me laugh. And racism isnt practiced in America, or France, or britain? It is everywhere. Whether it is as bad as you say in Israel I doubt,

Israel & Palestine both teach it in there schools to hate one another. There is racism in the America, France, and Britain, but it is not taught in the schools.

that is where u are wrong. I knwo for a fact that israel does no such thing. I have family who live currently and have lived there. The only people who they are taught to hate are the ones who shoot innocent people, and blow themselves up.

you sir are a racist.

how is that? I firmly believe in equality amongst all peoples. Just because I have a certain opinion doesnt make me rascist. Explain yourself.

Pyro 02-17-2005 04:12 PM

the girl I like is jewish and has visited Israel many times. Trust me...Israel is not exactly benevolent.

Jewish people own though...if they don't agree with the country of Israel's government.

Quze 02-17-2005 05:44 PM

[quote:09502]The invasion and temporary conquest of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula by Israel, while France and Great Britain seized the Suez Canal[/quote:09502]

[quote:09502]An Israeli air attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor[/quote:09502]

[quote:09502]Israel invaded with the intent of destroying Arafat's forces. Syria, which maintained a large army in Lebanon, fought Israel and suffered an embarrassing defeat.[/quote:09502]

...Israel always on the defensive?

Trunks 02-17-2005 06:46 PM

[quote:f3f06]The invasion and temporary conquest of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula by Israel, while France and Great Britain seized the Suez Canal[/quote:f3f06]I cant explain away this, but I can defend israel by saying that they were helping out their allies. For some reason when America launches a war, it expects all its allies to help it. but when Israel helps its allies, it is critisized. Nevertheless, I was wrong, and I retract my statment about Israel always being on the defensive.

[quote:f3f06]An Israeli air attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor[/quote:f3f06]
this I cant explain away as it was an act of agression.
[quote:f3f06]Israel invaded with the intent of destroying Arafat's forces. Syria, which maintained a large army in Lebanon, fought Israel and suffered an embarrassing defeat.[/quote:f3f06]
The PLO was constantly doing guerilla style attacks on the israelis. Only after these attacks, and after it was confirmed that they were launching the attacks from Lebanon soil, Israel retaliated by invading and crushing the PLO forces. They syrian army attacked them, and they suffered and embarassing defeat.

Ferich 02-17-2005 06:48 PM

Suez/Sinai War info:

"As part of Egyptian President Nasser's nationalist agenda, he took control of the Suez Canal zone away from the British and French companies which owned it. At the same time, as part of his ongoing struggle with Israel, Egyptian forces blocked the Straits of Tiran, the narrow waterway that is Israel's only outlet to the Red Sea. Israel and Egypt had clashed repeatedly since their 1948 war as Egypt allowed and encouraged groups of Palestinian fighters to attack Israel from Egyptian territory. In response, Israeli forces constantly made cross-border raids in retaliation. Britain and France, both of whom were in the process of losing their centuries-old empires, decided on a strategy straight our of their 19th Century Imperial histories. This plan led to a joint invasion and occupation of the Suez Canal zone by Britain and France. This was meant to reassert control of this vital waterway to the British and French companies stung by Nasser's bold nationalization. At France's suggestion, planning was coordinated with Israel, a fact which all three nations denied for years afterwards. "

http://www.historyguy.com/suez_war_1956.html
http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html

fyi: Israel was invaded by six arab countries right after the UN named it a country in 1948.

Trunks 02-17-2005 07:10 PM

ah ok, thanks ferich. rock:

elstatec 02-18-2005 03:27 AM

nice links ferich +1

Jin-Roh 02-18-2005 12:43 PM

Israel has too many guns.


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