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Then the term marriage would have to be changed to civil union as well.

Marriage should be something thats recognized by the state and the religion. If gays want to be married then the state should allow the marriage. But if they want to be recognized by the religion, then it should be decided by the religion whether to recognize it or not.

In the eyes of the state, marriage should just be a term. Banning something because someone disagrees with the morals of it shouldn't happen, since morals are an opinion.

However, a states official stance on this should be left up to a vote within that state, as Kansas has done, and the national government shouldn't be allowed to change that stance.

But of course, this is just my opinion

marriage predates christianity. just because Saint Paul made marriage a part of christianity doesnt mean that christians 'own' (for lack of better word). with that said, i dont see how christians decide what marriage is and what it ought to be.

It wasn't Christians that decided, it was the people of the State of Kansas.

the people of kansas or any state shouldnt have the right to decide what civil liberties they can and wont enforce.

also, what happens when some states decide to allow gay marriages? its going to happen, no doubt about that. then we're going to be in a situation where a marriage license is valid in one state but not another. its ridiculous, just more bullshit we have to deal with when you go out of town or go look for a new job and you have to worry about your marriage being valid in the next state. it makes our country look so stupid.

So Mad your saying that if Bobby Joe wants to marry his favorite sheep, that should be ok.
Or how about Cleatus and his sister.

If thats really what bobby joe wants, then y not? About Cleatus. If both he and his sister want to marry. Fine, so be it. Marriage is two indivisuals who want to be together for the rest of their lives. Their is no point in making baseless restrictions.

you cant marry a sheep because animals are unable to give consent. as for incest, whatever man, it doesnt affect me. as long as they are both 18 i really dont care. i think its disgusting, but thats my opinion. im not going to sit here and telll others what to do.

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Inbreeding until we're retarded 40 pound midgets is the FUTURE!!!


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Think afore you speak, Trunks.

why is that so oOo: If 2 people want to be together, then fine! Y do people care so much about other peoples lives? So what if a brother and sister marry? Big deal! U wanna know what I think personally of that? I think its wrong, its nasty, and both should probably pay a visit to the physciatrist. However, from a civil rights stand point, I, nor anybody else can restrict any body elses rights, and marriage is a right.

/me does a search on the online Bill of Rights. j/k

ha. very funny. :P

Big diffrence between a gay and a sheep. sleeping: Plus as far as I know incest is a DNA-pwnzor.

Exactly somebody gets it. happy: The point is the state does have an oblagation to regulate marriage.

it worked for Short Hand!

I heard gay people were bad becasue they were ugly.

it doesnt matter what is right and wrong. If a majority of the people dont want gays to marry, then that should be the law. The same people who think Schiavo should have died based on the court decision, are the same people who are saying that banning gay marriage is wrong.

But what if the people are mis informed ? What if the people have been seduced into their decision threw years of brainwashing ? Are they really the people you want to make decisions ?

"Just like the president" I don't want any fucking average Joe" for president, I want some sort of guy who IS smarter then me. Which is a real flaw when you see people voting for Bush ecause he reminds them of their own selves.

[quote="Short Hand":53e18]But what if the people are mis informed ? What if the people have been seduced into their decision threw years of brainwashing ? Are they really the people you want to make decisions ?[/quote:53e18]

I think both sides of every argument think the line of questioning quoted above applies to the "other" side.

yes but think about this. America was founded because of the fact tat britain was restricting our rights, and now 200 years later we do the same to our own citizens. Come on now. What if the majority voted to kill of all the jews? Would u still be for it then?
As a wise man once said, "Think afore you speak" oOo:

Trunks,please read the Bill of Rights, then tell me which one is being violated by not allowing gay marriage.

America was also founded as a nation under god. Thats what the white represents.

negative. I have said this once, and I will say it again, and again, and yet again. Religion should never, ever mix with state. People should have the right to worship any religion they want, or none at all if they so choose.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

As u can see, the only reason people are against it are because they personally think its disgusting, which, is not a suitable reason for restricting ones rights, or because of religious reasons, but as it clearly states in the very first ammendment, since there is no law on religion, there should not be a law restricting something for a religous reason.

sodomy is leet

I never said it was, and in my opinion it is far from it, but I also understand people are different, and to restrict ones rights just because of a "difference" is, first and foremost, morally wrong, second of all, against the constitution. eek:

in many states it is illegal.

well, i guess thats something that needs to be changed in the near future.

I was just watching the Discovery channel and they had a stroy about how there is a scientist doing a study on monkeys in China and he has discovered that homosexuality in monkeys actually does have an evolutionary purpose. The story should be up on the daily planet website tomorrow, so when it is, i'll post it here so you guys can look at it.

Hell yeah! Gay monkeys!

/me sets his TiVo

We can learn many things about how we behave as humans from how other animals behave.

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nevermind sleeping:

Ban all marriages and make civil unions the norm.

get a marriage through a church. Get a civil union through the "Wedding King" in Vegas.

Lets look at this one at a time.
Are you saying being gay is a religion, therefore prohibiting gay marriage some how denys the free exercise thereof?
How could banning gay marriage violate freedom of speech? There is certinly a lot of talk about the subject. In the news too.
Now the right of the people to peaceably assemble should not be considered because it isn't about assembling the people, unless you count the little ones created by the marriage.
And a bunch of people have petitioned the government for a redress of grievances.

I can't figure out what Freedom of Religion has to do with Gay Marriage. Explain please.

meaning the people who base their opinions about homosexuality from what they learn at church and in the bible have no right to press mandates and amendments to ban gay marriages. if you take away religion from the gay marriage equation, there isnt much of a real argument to make against gay marriage.

That doesn't make sense to me. People basing their beliefs about homosexuality on what they learn at church has nothing to do with Freedom of Religion....other than the fact that the Amendment protects their right to worship as they see fit. It would be easier for you to twist that amendment around to say that it protects "religious" people's right to be homophobes than it is to twist it to say the amendment gives gays the right to marriage.

You need to pick another Amendment. Maybe the Tenth.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

you could argue that since the Constitution does not give the power to regulate marriage to the Congress then that right goes to each state to decide for themselves.

http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/

Scroll down and click "Monkey Business"

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