it can be offered...but i just don't like the idea of it being mandortory to take to graduate or something.

do you mean at the school like Villanova? Or do you mean from a public university? Yeah, i agree with you if it's a public university you're talking about.

I went to Catholic Schools for 14years. NOT a single teacher ever tought us the whole Adam & Eve" fairy tale. They toldus the story and then explained the symbolism of it. PLain and simple. Our Biology teachers showed us evolution and so on.

Hah, I just realized I went to a catholic school my entire life also, and I was taught evolution in Bioliogy.

Exactly... What are they smoking down South ?

i went to a catholic school all the way until 7th grade. I never got to a point where I needed to learn anything about evolution really.

But if you attend a private university, ie Villanova, then I don't feel sorry for you if you are required to take a christian course. If you don't like it, then don't apply to the school.

I was practically forced to go to a COE high school by my parents (my mum went to the same school) it was a good school, but they forced you to go to church services almost every week whilst at school.

yep, we had a church that was across the street. Every Weds we'd attend the 8am mass.

[quote:e4f55]Evolution? We Don't Need No Stinkin' Evolution
By Staff and Wire Reports
Aug 11, 2005, 03:08


After months of debate over science and religion, the Kansas Board of Education has tentatively approved new state science standards that weaken the role evolution plays in teaching about the origin of life.

The 10-member board must still take a final vote, expected in either September or October, but a 6-4 vote on Tuesday that approved a draft of the standards essentially cemented a victory for conservative Christian board members who say evolution is largely unproven and can undermine religious teachings about the origins of life on earth.

"We think this is a great development ... for the academic freedom of students," said John West, senior fellow of the Discovery Institute, which supports intelligent design theory.

Intelligent design proposes that some features of the natural world are best explained as products of a considered intent as opposed to a process of natural selection.

The board is sending its drafted standards to a Denver-based education consultant before a final vote, planned for either September or October.

If they win final approval, Kansas will join Minnesota, Ohio and New Mexico, all of which have adopted critical analysis of evolution in the last four years.

The new science standards would not eliminate the teaching of evolution entirely, nor would they require that religious views, also known as creationism, be taught, but it would encourage teachers to discuss various viewpoints and eliminate core evolution theory as required curriculum.

Critics say the moves are part of a continuing national effort by conservative Christians to push their views into the public education process.

"This is neo-creationism, trying to avoid the legal morass of trying to teach creationism overtly and slip it in through the backdoor," said Eugenie Scott, executive director of the National Center for Science Education.

Kansas itself has been grappling with the issue for years, garnering worldwide attention in 1999 when the state school board voted to de-emphasize evolution in science classes.

That was reversed in 2001 with new members elected to the school board. But conservatives again gained the majority in elections in 2004, leading to the newest attacks on evolution.

The science standards the board is revising act as guidelines for teachers about how and what to teach students.

In May, the board of education sponsored a courtroom-style debate over evolution that saw lawyers for each side cross-examining "witnesses" and taking up issues such as the age of the earth, fossil records and beliefs that humans and are too intricately designed to not have a creator.

The hearings came 80 years after evolution was the subject of the famous "Scopes" trial in Tennessee in which teacher John Thomas Scopes was accused of violating a ban against teaching evolution.

© Copyright 2005 by Capitol Hill Blue[/quote:e4f55]

What a crock.

[quote:bbc93]KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.

"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.

Burdett added: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force. Isaac Newton himself said, 'I suspect that my theories may all depend upon a force for which philosophers have searched all of nature in vain.' Of course, he is alluding to a higher power"[/quote:bbc93]

[url=http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2:bbc93]Link[/url:bbc93]

loooo!

I read that the Catholic church accepts the big bang theory, but not gravity. A tad ironic if you understand gravity.

Wait is that acually real?

can you find anything about them denying gravity? I'm not questioning your statement. I just want to read it and laugh really.

Read it in my Stephen Hawking novel. He talks about his visit to the vatican. Want a works cited happy:

Also a lot of theories and philosphies on physic were written by priests and cardinals, so they helped pave the way.

[url=http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4133&n=2:9d8ad]Here[/url:9d8ad] is the article from The Onion. About "the sparks falling up" statement, sparks are created by a release of energy and if you observe they will turn and fall down as soon as that energy is dissipated. Jesus Christ what a bunch of nutcases.

Plus there is a cool song on this page.

that's pretty funny.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050827/ap_ ... sm_lawsuit


Assclowns... rolleyes: annoy:

Sorry Jesus

[img]http://www.nikhef.nl/pub/pr/postermateriaal/big-bang.jpg[/img]

An interesting thing to think about: There was more than just one "big bang", but many. ed:

watch Nova - Origins (4-Part Miniseries), but im sure most of you wont. It explains everything

the Torrent can be found if you look around like a spy

[quote="Jin-Roh":36cd6]An interesting thing to think about: There was more than just one "big bang", but many. ed:[/quote:36cd6]

Do you mean multiple big bangs during the same time? Thats theoretically impossible. However, the universe collapsing on itself and expanding again is totally legit.

Read this on that Flying Spaghetti Monster site and i thought it is quite true/humorous.

[code:9de40]I don't have a problem with religion. What I have a problem with is religion posing as science. Teach creationism in school, fine, but DON'T teach it in a science classroom. Science = the study of repeatable, observable, natural phenomena. Accepting a supernatural explanation is a cop-out. It's faith, NOT science.

Religious nuts: please stop emailing me about that. No I can't "repeat" evolution for you, so stop asking. But if you doubt the science that allows us to guess the age of the earth, then please stop using your computer, cell phones, and TV. The same methods of science that brought you those are the same methods we use for these evil evolution theories. Science is NOT truth, it's the search for truth, fact.[/code:9de40]

I havent read this entire thread. However, this is where I stand on this issue. Number one, people bring up that evolution is only a theory. Biology is a branch of the sciences where everything is a theory. Even if we were 99.999999999% sure that it was true, it would still be refered to as a theory. Now, if religious schools want to teach that kind of stuff in addition to science, that is fine. However, by no means should this be considered part of science. We can back up evolution quite a bit, there is nothing to back up that a higher being created everything. And I will tell you this, most likely, when I get around to having a kid, he/she will be sent to a public school. If I wanted him/her to be taught about religion/god, then I would have sent him/her to a religious school. Or I would have him/her go to sunday school. That is my stance. And also, intelligent design interferes/contradicts other religions such as Daoism, etc, so it would be unfair to teach it in public schools.

[quote=KTOG]Do you mean multiple big bangs during the same time? Thats theoretically impossible. However, the universe collapsing on itself and expanding again is totally legit.[/quote:8cf9b]
Nein... universe is even 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times larger than what we could imagine. Many big bangs in many different areas. Causing the universe to be... extremely large. eek:

Nope.

Yeah, I posted about it:

http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/view ... ins#949616

I love Nova

Evolution is about as evidence based as creationism. again, it is a question of faith.

Furthermore, the bible is not meant to be taken literally in all cases. Much of it is metaphorical. any sensible christian can tell you that.
For instance, god did not make the earth in what we would consider to be seven days. What is a day to a great, omnipotent being who has existed for all eternity and will? Seven days very easily could be biliions of years. But theres no convinving the faithless. At least while they're still alive hellfire:

oOo:

Evolution for one has historical evidence, such as the bones of Homo Habilis, and Homo Erectus. Secondly you can't get real-time evidence for evolution because no one would be alive long enough to see it happen.

Belief in evolution isn't a matter of "faith" but more a matter of logic and reason, creationism is pure faith. To say the two are one in the same is like saying cream cheese is a good substitute for concrete.

To bad that’s your interpretation, and I could guarantee you a lot of Christians would disagree with that. For the most part among people with strong Christian beliefs the Earth is only 5,000 years old.

Anyone who hides behind the cloak of faith is oOo: .

I see youve never left chream cheese to sit on the counter for three weeks...

well said stammer, evolution is the way animals adapt to their envirement, and it is based on scientific evidence. Here is just one example, I have been using this example very often in the past few days. A species of birds is living on an island. Most of them have lots and lots of feathers, but due to a genetic anomaly, 1% are born with very few feathers. As temperature rises due to global warming, the birds with more feathers will die out while birds with less feathers will survive, and reproduce. Birds that have favorable traits that enable them to adapt to the envirement will survive, and over time, millions of years possibly, the birds will be so different from their many feathered anscestors that many will claim the two have no relation to each other. Sound familiar?

Oh wait this relates to animals as well? Well no doubt some animals have evolved to a degree... Dinosaurs didnt become birds, for instance, but birds might have minor changes to there physiology over time.

we are animals.

No we're higher than animals. We...

Fuck it, this is going to turn into bible thumping, which I know you wont give a damn about. Lets just say based on your faith, you could be an animal or a higher lifeform.

Honestly, explain to me how we are higher than animals? There are five kingdoms which living things belong to, Monera, Protista, Fungi, animalia, and plantae. We belong to the kingdom animalia, therefore we can consider ourselves animals.

alright, fine. time for some bible thumping.
First, God told us that we have dominion over the animals.
We are also imbued with a soul, which animals are not.
Plus, we are an innovative race.

[quote=CoMaToSe]alright, fine. time for some bible thumping.
First, God told us that we have dominion over the animals.
We are also imbued with a soul, which animals are not.
Plus, we are an innovative race.[/quote:47a1c]lol biggrin:

[quote=1080jibber][quote=CoMaToSe]alright, fine. time for some bible thumping.
First, God told us that we have dominion over the animals.
We are also imbued with a soul, which animals are not.
Plus, we are an innovative race.[/quote:2906e]lol biggrin:[/quote:2906e]
I warned juu

What does the bible say about space, or life on other planets?

[quote=CoMaToSe]alright, fine. time for some bible thumping.
First, God told us that we have dominion over the animals.
We are also imbued with a soul, which animals are not.
Plus, we are an innovative race.[/quote:997bc]

We're not anything special, we just have a smarter brain, thus a stronger sense of self-awareness. That's the only thing special about us as animals. Just like we have the greatest brains in the animal kingdom, other animals have things that make them greater than us. For instance, a Cheetah can run fastest, an eagle has the best sight, and a dog's nose has the best sense of smell.

We just have the best brains, nothing else really.