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what other way is there to retaliate. If you have an idea, go for it. Just don't say be passive because that didn't work already.
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So we should not retaliate? Sort of like we did after the first WTC bombing, and then after the embassy bombings in the late 90s....You can't let somebody keep punching you in the face and just do nothing about it if they won't stop. It comes to a point where ignoring it doesn't work. And I'm sure that the families of the victims of 9/11 would agree.
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He's not saying don't retaliate. I think he's trying to say make friends with Bin Laden and kill all other arabs/persians.
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How is wasting time and money to kill him going to help you? All it will do is piss them off more and give them more anti-american motivation because he will be matyred.
Pull out of Iraq and fuck them all. After a while they'll probably just give up, especially as they have less people willing to kill themselves to kill Americans because they have no motivation to do so. |
After a while=after lots of Americans are dead...
that is an unacceptable solution. I'll say it again, you can't let a person keep punching you in the face hoping that they will just get tired and quit, especially when the damage is human lives instead of just bruises. |
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yeah, but Ghandi and MLK weren't battling crazy mofos who didn't care what everybody thought about them, sorta like Osama. He's not like the British in India who are facing public scrutiny or the white in the South who were caught in the changing times of the 60s looking like stupid racist hillbillies. Osama doesn't give a shit what people think about him, in fact, he gets positive attention for what he does. It's completely different than the other cases where non-violence was used and that's easy to see.
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alright so what do you two purpose then? Obviously, we must retaliate, i mean fuck trying to comprehend your enemy, lets just kill the "mofo." Thats what you want right? And then, we can exterminate all the other islamic nations, ya know, just to make sure. Cuz all those "crazy mofos" might try something like that again, so lets just kill em all! Huh? Huh? And if the muslims in America dont like it, we can accuse them of terrorism and send them to prison. Is taht what you want? Is that the kind of retaliation you are calling for? Because that my friend, goes beyond the realm of retaliation, and into what I like to call extermination. Big difference between the two.
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Thank Religion for this mess.
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2) What will solve the terrorist problem? Well for right now Im thinking about how to prevent it from getting worse. Kinda like when you are in quick sand. First you stop moving/panicking so u stop sinking, then you look for a way out. However, a possibility would be meeting with terroist leaders, and attempting to negotiate with them. kinda like what Israel is trying to do with the Palestinians. |
meeting with the terrorist leaders and negotiating? happy:
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2100 over the course of a couple years
vs. thousands in one day... 2100 = less than number of people who died on 9/11. Forgot about that one didn't ya? They kill 3,000 of us in one day and we have 2000 die in a couple years of trying to stop it from happening again... I know how we can solve this, we need to just send Trunks, the Dragonball Z kid to negotiate with Osama Bin Laden. He'll get the work done, he seems to be optimistic of the chances of negotiating with crazed mad men. Go for it, since you think the world is so easy breezy, go for it. Good luck, try not to get your head chopped off in the first few days... |
[quote:d1a13]2100 over the course of a couple years
vs. thousands in one day... 2100 = less than number of people who died on 9/11. Forgot about that one didn't ya? They kill 3,000 of us in one day and we have 2000 die in a couple years of trying to stop it from happening again...[/quote:d1a13] I look at it as 2100 MORE people who DIED attempting to prevent it from happening again when in reality theyve only increased hostilities between terrorists and other countries, and because of the actions of their governments, have made almost every single country more suceptible to terrorist attacks. When the smart thing to do would have been to negotiate, to insure that something like that doesnt happen again. Knowledge is power. If you know why they did what they did, you can prevent it from happening again. And 2100 people would still be alive if we had done the smart thing... [quote:d1a13]I know how we can solve this, we need to just send Trunks, the Dragonball Z kid to negotiate with Osama Bin Laden. He'll get the work done, he seems to be optimistic of the chances of negotiating with crazed mad men. Go for it, since you think the world is so easy breezy, go for it. Good luck, try not to get your head chopped off in the first few days...[/quote:d1a13]OK, I am choosing to ignore some of what you have said, because I dont want to get into a flame war. *bites his lip* OK, I am NOT optimistic about negotiating with terrorists, but it is a hell of a lot better than blowing them up! Look at the Russian Chechen wars, Russia doesnt want to negotiate and look what happens then. When in reality, if they had just let that tiny little peace of land secede, they could have avoided all the bloodshed. And before you say, NO WAY TRUNKS U DONT KNOW WHAT UR TALKING BOUT, I will say I am russian, and that I know people who would be very angry with me for saying what I am about to say, but its true. The whole school taken hostage, the theater taken hostage, thousands of russian soldiers dead, thousands of chechen soldiers and civilians dead, all that could have been avoided, THROUGH NEGOTIATION. A wise man once said, "If you do not learn from the past, you are bound to repeat it." you my friend, are joining the growing bandwagon of people who will repeat the mistakes of the past, over and over and over again. Maybe one day people like you will take the time to open your eyes...or maybe not. |
Trunks, you are failing to understand that there is nobody to negotiate with. Just a faceless, nameless demand that governmental power be handed over.
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I would like to blow up a terrorist, give them a vest filled with/ C4 and send him to see BL
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lol i can see its all versus one on this issue.
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Anyway, on a more serious note, terrorists are enemies, just like Germany was during ww1+ww2, just like the U.S.S.R. was during the cold war. So, why should we not negotiate? true, they are a different type of enemy, but they are an enemy nontheless. And we have a chance that our negotiations will be successful. A small chance, possibly even miniscule, but it is still there. And if it is there, it is my solemn belief that we should take it. JohnJ 1) Anarchy? I doubt they want that. Some terrorist groups perhaps, but not the ones we are speaking of. I believe that they are fighting against America because they are raised to hate America. They see America as a ruthless oppressor, that threatens their way of life. If you were in their position, would you not want to fight back? What you need to understand is that a lot of these terrorists are young adults and kids sitting at home making home-made bombs so that they can continue to wage their "jihad" after their father, and brothers were, in their minds, ruthlessly murdered by American soldiers. Even more simply believe America has overstayed its welcome in Iraq, and want it out of their country. Still others see Iraq as confirmation of America's treachery and rush to fight it on that front. if we meet violence with violence, we will simply be playing into the terrorists hands. After all, they expect no better from us. But we can prove them wrong. We can show them that we are willing to compromise in order to save lives, that we are willing to work together to make the world a safer place. We must show them that America is not what they have been told, thereby uprooting their reason to fight. 2) Toucher. You made a good point, and I can't really rebut you on that front. 3) Are you so sure you know your enemy so well, as to, gun them down relentlessly with no chance for peace? The mentality of, "The enemy is pure evil, they will not negotiate," has brought about wars instead of peace, crushing once flourishing civilizations. I will take ww1 as an example. Serbian rebels(as some view them), or terroists(as others view them), assasinated Astro-Hungarian Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Astro-Hungaria declared war on Serbia, and in that instant ignited one of the most horrific wars they world has ever seen. A true testament to what humans can do to each other, when they have that mentality(the enemy is not worth negotiating with/won't negotiate.) Now think. MILLIONS of innocent civilians, as well as soldiers died between 1914-1918. All because one man was assassinated. Astro-Hungaria declared a WAR on a country, simply because ONE man was assassinated. Negotiating with those danmed serbian terroists would have been futile of course....or so we think...but we will never know, will we? Anyway, I have digressed, but my final point of the day will be that, I highly doubt all the jihadists want to have an islamic world free from infidels. Some, perhaps. But not all. Many believe they are fighting tyranny. Many believe they are fighting to avenge the deaths of their loved ones. And many believe they are fighting to rid their country of America presence/imperialism. |
no matter what they said I couldnt believe them, if you have an agreement with a country then there are some ramifacatins for said country if they reneig. With a band of outlaws there is no way to hold them to any agreements made. There is nowhere to apply santions, there is no recourse. KILL 'EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Unfortunate, but true. These jihadists are outlaws in their own countries, because no country would want to suffer the consequences of their actions. They may be popular for a while, but their true colors always end up guiding their actions. Murder and mayhem are all they know.
The men who killed the Archduke Franz Ferdinand were anarchists. They achieved their goal and plunged all of Europe into 4 years of anarchy and chaos. You can not negotiate with terrorists. You can only negotiate with equals, men who believe in life, not those who glorify death. |
the Archduke's assassination was not the cause of WWI, it only triggered the start, just like Lincoln's election triggered the Civil War, they both had much more complex issues involved.
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When you have forces of people constantly acting towards your country and neighbouring muslim countries with public support of Israel the Jewish state and there is already a big difference in beliefs, it's hard to trust those CHRISTIAN countries, especially when all they seem to be doing is coming in and pretty much stealing, or nowadays making fucked-up deals so they can get their capatalist christian hands on something that doesn't even belong to them. I mean come on, deny it all you want but look at the situation, half of the western world see that most of this is all about oil, so OBVIOUSLY all these fundamentalist islamic youths are going to see it that way as well. ...If my country had bigger, richer and foreign (by country AND religion) hands constantly dipping into my countries economic sources, I'd get pissed off too. They think they're justified (IMO, they're not far from it), and until they don't think they are being fucked around by all these countries, they're going to continue, and there is no possible way of shutting them down by force. It's a pointless waste of time and it's just going to make people in that area of the world far more bitter and angry, and far more willing to blow up YOUR families for supporting it all. |
If anyone has ever read anything by Barbara Ehrenreich, this may interest you. (relates tothe topic).
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I see, it all goes back to when we held the Middle East as colonys.
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