no, no it's not. Saying a movie had no plot is a perfectly good reason to call it bad, in fact, I would say it's one of the []best[/b] reasons to not like a movie. Besides, get off your high horse, people are allowed to not like movies for any reason they want, and when they don't like it, that doesn't mean they are too simple and didn't understand it, it's possible that people just don't have the same interests.

Anyway, there was no plot, it was completely unstructured. Robbers come to his shop, he beats them up, then another chapter started in which ed harris was the problem, then once the ed harris problem was solved, it was the new Ritchie problem, then he went and solved that. It was 3 segments of short problems that he solved with 20 seconds of fighting...I would say it maybe had 3 extremely short, underdeveloped plots smashed together to make a movie.

saying the plot was dealing with his past is ridiculous, the audience hardly learned anything at all about his past except he had mob ties. And if that was the plot, there was no resolution, he killed people, he went home, and his kids gave him dinner, ok, what caused the change in their attitudes? Why did his son suddenly stop hating him? someone already said it was weird how he and his wife were fighting and then started having sex out of no where, it just didn't make sense. He was a schizo? He remembered his past, he said he didn't think Joey would come back again, but then they just leave him off in the end, still schizo from what we know, but he just killed more ties to his previous life, I'm not sure that's what I would call "dealing with it," it's more just completely severing it to try to go back to his "normal" and fake life, which is basically what they did. In the end, the family was back to normal, they had not dealt with their father/husband's violent and mentally disturbed past at all, he had just cut it off from his Tom Stall character even more, he never resolved the issue with his wife or son, they were just automatically resolved when he was killing his brother in Philadelphia (and in the process trying to further himself from his past, instead of actually dealing with it)

way to write a fuckin novel there ^

good movie, i saw it a couple days ago and was thinkin about it a lot yesterday, didnt know really what to think of it...

it would have been cooler if they showed some flashbacks of joeys life in philly

It's a study of violence being dealt with a typical type American family with a father who is an extraordinary position thourghout the movie..that's what I walked away when I saw this movie. I don't despise you because you dislike the movie, alot of my friends hated it and I think they understood it..the script was written simple and some scenes were stupid cliches (e.g. The teen fights the bully because of that whole baseball dilemma) But I enjoyed the theme of the movie and the acting. William Hurt's 10 or so minutes on screen were brilliant - he had to deal with happiness, anger and suprise all in that short time. And in your argument you bring up the there was short violence in 3 scenes..are you saying more violence was needed to make the movie better? Elaborate that a bit more for me.

Who says any of that "had" to go down...? It's a movie - There isn't an exact science to making films....But to say there was no plot is just plain stupid. If there was no plot there would be no reason for any of those characters....but obviously there was.
I felt it was an interesting character study, and I wondered what It would be like If I had to start my life over for some reason, if I could totally bury a part of me like Tom Stall tried to do.
I think it also made a very good point about really knowing people, and how much you need to know to feel as though you have a strong relationship with someone. If you find out something shocking like Edie did, would it change your view of that person so much you wouldn't love them anymore? Imagine if you found out your dad had lived a past life like Tom Stall's, how would you react? The scene that the film ends on shows that for Tom/Joey's family, it may not be such a big deal after getting over the initial shock....They still love their father/husband, and were willing to try and put it behind them. Alot of the scenes were an attempt to show mixed feelings I think...Like the sex scene on the stairs....Her reaction was two these two men in her husband's body, a mixed reaction.
The whole William Hurt part was, IMO, showing Tom Stall getting closure on his past life...Like he says, he just up and left that life to start a new one, and he left loose ends, hence the visit from Ed Harris...


I don't get your points by any means....I think there was so much plot...

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dont listen to c312, he usually says shit like that to be different and piss people off...

interestingly enough, my brother and i know very little about our dads past, we are both convinced he used to be into something shady but i guess we will never know until hes on his death bed

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how do i say shit to be different? Who are you to say that I am claiming to dislike this movie to have a different opinion. I would love an example of when I've said something "just to be different and piss people off."

Every person I watched the movie with was extremely dissappointed at the ending because the movie left so much out. I don't care if you guys disagree with what I thought of the movie, I like plenty of movies, but I just couldn't stand this one, i felt the plot was weak. If trip and the rest of you think it was good, fine, maybe i'm wrong, but that doesn't change my mind, I still thought it was bad. There were times when I felt it was so ridiculously fake and shallow and there were relationships that were destroyed and miraculously mended in 24 hours, I just didn't like it, but it's fine if you all did, I just don't think making fun of people like me and Himmler for liking and disliking different movies is ridiculous.

And Machette, no, I'm not saying there should have been more violence, I'm just saying that they used it to solve each of the three obvious problems he encountered, and they used it in a way (evenly spaced out) to keep the audience's attention. So basically I'm saying they were injected to make it more exciting and watchable, but I can see how you missed what I was saying, I didn't clarify.

You can't change what you just siad........ YOU SAID IT nEEDED MORE VIOLENCE... Funny though how you obviously missed out that his violence only came out when it was forced.... You remind me of bible thumpers, you read or watch something word for word, yet you can not see the hidden meaning or understand the onscreen metaphors.

Are you missing the fact that his heroic actions in the diner gave him national news...which in turn brought the mafia family looking for him? That's how they introduced Ed Harris into the film. He realized that was him once he saw the footage on the news. Then once Harris was dead he had to finish the root of the evil and go after the other dude or he'd keep coming back for his family. I didn't think it had 3 different plots at all. Everything seemed pretty cohesive.

no, I didn't say it needed more violence, and I'm not gonna dignify the rest of your post, no I'll say one thing.

It's ironic how liberals like you profess to hate stereotypes so much but in reality create your own.

but the audience had no idea what was coming next. It was like:
getting robbed problem (solved by violence)-> hey, he's a hero-> uh oh, Ed Harris problem (solved by fight scene)->uh oh, new problem, Ritchie (solved by fight scene) then it was over.

Maybe what I"m trying to say is that the plot was too segmented for me. Each part seemed to seperate because we only found out about it once what we thought was the major problem was resolved.


^because that would have actually included some of his "history of violence" and would have actually given the audience more information. THe movie is supposed to be about his past, but they only give information concering a few days....I would have loved to hear more about the actual history of JOey, that was another thing I felt was left out for no reason.

you piss me off with most of your posts because you are a monsterous fucking douchebag and i cant stand you

no one ever said you had to.

But just for fun, I'd like to see some posts where I was a "monsterous fucking douchebag." Because other than the political section, I hardly post anything provocative.

i dont give a fuck about your political standing, i do care about the worthless bullshit you post on this forum because it gets on my nerves and im sick of reading it so im calling you out about it cunt rag

ok, well I'm gonna "call you out" and ask for some examples of posts I've made that are "douchebage"-esque. Because I don't beleive I've made many incendiary posts on this forum...

ok im not gonna waste my time searching through your posts to find exact examples of how you piss me off, you just do so fuck off im not gonna turn this thread into a flame war...it ends here before it could even start.

alright, fine, we can end it, i just don't see how you can dislike me for things you can't even remember me saying...

Just to let you know c312 I don't dislike your opinion or you for hating this movie just like himmler...but himmler's argument was "to much talking" and yours was "no plot" but atleast you clarified your opinion..I think himmler did as well, that's why I was jumping all over the place, I wanted you to elaborate your argument. Not like I want to intentionally start a argument for the hell of it.

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You have made to many in the political forum.


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Linda fucked up, but the mall scene in the movie was filmed 10 minutes down the road from me in the Tottenham mall... I sat on the becnh Ed Harris was on while eating my pizza today and it felt weird.. Like I was sort of in the movie in a way lol.

[quote="Short Hand":61586]I sat on the becnh Ed Harris was on while eating my pizza today and it felt weird.. Like I was sort of in the movie in a way lol.[/quote:61586]
too bad someone didn't come along and kick the shit out of you...just to keep the violence theme going.

[quote="Eight Ace":086be][quote="Short Hand":086be]I sat on the becnh Ed Harris was on while eating my pizza today and it felt weird.. Like I was sort of in the movie in a way lol.[/quote:086be]
too bad someone didn't come along and kick the shit out of you...just to keep the violence theme going.[/quote:086be]

My liberal tree hugging ass had no place on the philly mobster becnh..

So the ending he kills his brother and alls well, interesting how the rest of the mafia just let him go, Killing a made man and all, wait that will be part 2. i thought it was some of the worst mafia type acting and movie I ever saw. It was horrid more like a b movie. Like it was made with a hand held video camera. And you friends acted in it.


lets say tony soprano had a brother who killed him, you think he just gets to go home happly ever after?

[quote="Vlad_Drak":28bdb]So the ending he kills his brother and alls well, interesting how the rest of the mafia just let him go, Killing a made man and all, wait that will be part 2. i thought it was some of the worst mafia type acting and movie I ever saw. It was horrid more like a b movie. Like it was made with a hand held video camera. And you friends acted in it.


lets say tony soprano had a brother who killed him, you think he just gets to go home happly ever after?[/quote:28bdb]Supposedly he wasn't exactly liked by the rest of the mafia because of what his brother did.. so I guess it wasn't a big deal when he got knocked off...

i never said i hated this movie, as a matter of fact i just got back from watching it from a friends house. it was pretty decent but nothing spectacular

I know that...I was just using your statements from syriana.