<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>It's like.... anyone can play with a rocket launcher or shotgun.... it's much harder to play the Mauser for example.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed, but if someone wants the challenge of learning how to use the mauser effectively then that is their choice.

If they use the shotgun or sniper rifle that is also their choice.

If you prefer to play realism mods because you enjoy it more, this is also your choice.

It's your choice to raise your concern about the game as it is too.

You've done it in an even mannered way, which is more than can be said for some people.

Thing is, MoH was never intended to be realism over arcade play.

It's more like a Quake/Half-Life game with WWII dressings.

Mods are and will give you the option to move away from this.

But you will have to respect the fact that some people like the game just as it is. They have just as much right to use the shotgun as you do the mauser.

If they beat you all the time it doesn't mean you are better just because you use a harder weapon though.

You might be better, but then again so might they.

Just try to enjoy the game as best you can for the time being.. Clan matches and tourneys will be more fun for those who prefer to use tactics and balanced gameplay.

You're right man, i agree 100%.... hell, this will probably make me play better against those people that prefer quake-like action...

... and yet it's sad....

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You're right man, i agree 100%.... hell, this will probably make me play better against those people that prefer quake-like action...

... and yet it's sad....

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Well DoD v2.0 Is pretty realistic, sometimes. FF is a great way to play with skilled players. I myself like to camp alone, I dont want some pansy with an MG to take my spot. At first I warn, then I bitch, then I kill. I agree, sniper, only one, mg, only one, bazook, only one, if at all. If you want some more realism, go play paintball like I do when games piss me off =D.

LOL. You kids are fun, I'll give you that.

First and foremost, it's a game. It is meant to be realistic to A POINT! When I see folks running on these boards talking about - "This is so uneven - this takes no skill - blah blah blah blah" Have you ever been in a fight with a SHOTGUN, or a ZOOK? Do you have this real world experience to make this definite accusation? No. Oh ok.

Then you have the folks saying "only n00bs (why they spell it like that I'll never know) use (insert weapon here)". How rational a line is that? First it was ZOOKS, then SNIPES, then NADES - now shotguns. COME THE HELL ON NOW!!!

Are we building a generation of whiners? The machine gun on the "realism" servers - are perhaps the cheapest weapons out there. One shot kills huh? Better accuracy than the sniper rifles. And no ZOOKS.

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For everyone that says SHOTGUNS have no skill, I'd like you to grab your machine guns, and get as many close-range kills as one would with the shot-gun...then I'll take your word for it.

Until then...

mazel tov

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snake2222:
You are a idiot...enough said, that last line proves it. I dont have a problem taking these guys out....the problem is I dont want to have to kill 350 dudes useing the F***ing rocket launcher and shotgun over and over and over. You know how intense it would be to have a group of 6 people going up against another 6, one is waiting in ambush to attack the other as the pass downt the street....waiting....waiting....FIRE. While other guys on the server are holding off the other teams troop advancement.


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You call me an idiot, yet your post made absolutely no sense. What is "waiting in ambush to attack the other as the pass downt the street?"

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Sounds like 2 or 3 rifle shooters claiming the only pure game is with..........a rifle. The only purity in war is overcoming fear. Getting up and facing what may surely kill you. Be it sniper or 'zooka.If I can run against the sniper's bullets and still, eventually, kill him or her then the sniper can climb back up to his or her perch and try to (This should be obvious to a "pure" sniper.) change position after each shot. The rocket man cannot hit what isn't there. In "real war" that is standard procedure. One shot, one kill......then move on...quick.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Nowadays, MOHAA seems too much arcade...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe because the game wasn't designed with RAINBOW SIX, or even RTCW in mind. It IS an arcade style shooter with more "ambience realism" than "gameplay realism".


Sorry, but you're just going to have to deal with that. Getting on here and claiming that all the folks who use the SHOTGUN or ZOOKA are pansy with no needed skill - is about the dumbest thing you can do in that it speaks to how little respect you have for folks who use these weapons, almost about as much as you feel they show towards you.

You can say, "sir can you please switch (so and so weapon)" - how come I can't ask the same out of someone who uses the machine gun - the supposed weapon that takes the most skill. For all the folks that complain about the other weapons - there seems to be no complaints regarding the MACHINES. Funny how the happened to get THAT one just right huh. Yea.

As for the guy who said its nearly "impossible" to jump a zooka man - get over it. If you run up on a ZOOKA, and get close enough to him - you're out of his LOS. After that - its only a matter of time...not to mention the fact his reload time is what 5-6 seconds? Yea, that's not enough time to take someone down. Those mods are SORELY needed.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SS-Oberstgruppenführer:
You call me an idiot, yet your post made absolutely no sense. What is "waiting in ambush to attack the other as the pass downt the street?"

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Pretty sad and pathetic that the only thing you can use against me is a typo....sad. We need more people in here to laugh at the guy that said sniper takes skill in this game. In this game when using a sniper....Scope is perfectly still, No drop in the bullet, Reload with out the scope ever leaving your target. HHHmmm skill huh.

u are right Snake...

Just take DoD...there u have to be a skilled sniper...

Phil

I am finding these "fags" in every map.
It is not hard to kill someone with the rockets that's why loosers and campers like these weapons.

Too chicken for a man to man combat with normal weapons. Fags they are!!

But i am not talking about shotguns. These weapons are normal guns for normal people.

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Agreed. Anywaym this topic started to look like an ego-batlle, who's the best, who's the lamest etc.
I just wanted to see opinions here, not just bragging and stuff like that

Conclusion of the thread(IMHO):

Shotguns and panzer schrech/bazooka are a little unrealistic (you didn't see actually soldiers assaulting enemy positions in the war with 8-gauge shotguns and RPGs).
For the realistic-aiming player, these weapons ruin the feeling of multiplayer.
For everyone else, they rock, more or less.
Just making a point...

It's sad to see all the Rambos out there saying adapt to it muthaf..ka and saying they are the best and so on and so forth...

The game is good, but i think i will be selective about certain servers/certain people when multiplaying.
I just like the realism of it.

And, oh yeah, what's the point of having a bazooka if there's no tank in the map? Some people still enjoy the idea though...

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I read once in a book that Tom Clancy wrote that "vulnerability makes you think"

I guess the multiplayer idea of RtCW is better. The medic has only one clip for his gun, the engineer the same, limitations of certain weapons help a lot the team part of the game.
In RtCW, only one clip makes you think about that, and those who do that, live longer and go to the first places of the scoreboards...
Nowadays, MOHAA seems too much arcade... http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/frown.gif

I don't know why this topic has me in such a lather. A rocket launcher should never be discharged unless you have time to reload it or change to your pistol or grenade. Unlike any other weapon you open yourself up for defenselessness against anyone who wants to fill you full of lead with the other choices of firearms. The enemy dodges and weaves and if you miss they have you. A sniper doesn't leave a smoke trail and is, therefore, harder to detect. Aiming a sniper rifle is sooooooooooooo much easier than a rocket launcher. Plus, if someone rushes you you have a better chance of defending yourself. I also want to tell yet another true story(Remember the true story about the cons who got taken out with a bazooka at Deerlodge Prison, Montana?) In Viet Nam there were many times when people were killed with rocket launchers.....True story..........And one more thing............I bet if someone were aiming their bazooka in WW2 at a tank and some sniper rose up in his field of vision to shoot him he would blow that sniper away..........with the rocket launcher. Now that is realism. That is what happens in MoH.You only have the bazooka and some enemy comes around the corner so you shoot them. You can run faster if you change to pistol but then you are up against someone with a rifle or Thompson....Duh! Why would I expose myself to that?.........Lastly, I use different weapons for different maps and I don't need the enemy telling me I shouldn't use whatever means at my legitimate disposal to fight the war. The bazooka is part of the arsenal..............and I wondered about the knife too. Hmmmmmmmmm. Hey, I said all that and didn't call anyone a name. Must be because I use the 'zooka. I have honor.

posey must just have 1/2 a brain or he is some kind of non human either way he says he cannot adapt then he has no need for living

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zooka n shotguns n nades are to kill people with no skill if u cannot avoid bein killed by it then try hard stop bitiching or dont play and if it was meant to be limited it would be limited but it isnt so for all u fags like posey either A make a frickin realism mod b if u can host c stop playing cause ull turn 50 before u turn 20 (12 in most cases) people play how they want in this FIRST PERSON SHOOTER not a FIRST PERSON BATTLE SIMULATION if u want that play rogue spear if u want fun arcadish action play this STOP BITCHING BOUT NADES and worry how to avoid them jesus fucking christ u people who think this game recreats or represents history or even tries to be real need to step back from the comp ang get some fresh air of life

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A shotgun will kill you at short range.
Deal with it and play on realism mod servers.

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Well said Malphal...

I've also wondered about the knives...maybe they should at least have gave them a stick or something...

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Ha! Webster's blown his cerebral cortex.

I personally don't have problems with 'zookas or snipers, or shotguns. I can't talk that much simply because I can only play at school because I have a measly 56K. We usually have around 14 people playing, and if I must say, these people suck the balls of a mountain yeti. Most everyone goes with the sniper rifle and the bazooka, and quite frankly they have no sense. I'll run around with a Machine - Gun, or SubMachine - Gun, and you'll be running and they'll fire a rocket...directly at you, I guess they forget about the whole..."it takes a second or more for the rocket to hit you" thing...and I mean SHIT, I don't understand how people can suck so bad at a game. We'll play for around 1 hr. 30 min...and I'll end up with about 220 kills...and the next person will have like 100. It's pathetic. And the people with the sniper rifles...it's horrible...they run around with it...they don't think of pulling out their pistol and such...you'll shoot them with a machine gun at point blank and such...and they will zoom in on you and try to snipe...it's pathetic. The shotgun isn't a popular weapon...Me and another guy use it everyonce in a while.
Well that was my 2 cents telling about my shit filled life...I'm going to go and eat a Apple...

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Ha! Webster's blown his cerebral cortex.

Just play the bleeding game.

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ohama should only be allowed rifle and smg's

Why don't we all pick a bow and sword?

Most of the complaints I've read seem to have common causes... to many people in the game or playing on closed levels. Try playing on the more open levels with 4 - 8 players. Shotgun and bazooka kills take real skill under those circumstances. If everyone ran around with nothing but machine guns the game would get boring pretty fast.

Well, rocketlaunchers and shotguns are indeed for people with no skillz. I tried them both and i killed everybody i ran into...altho i cant do the same with a mg or smg by far. Bitching about snipers is lame. A sniperrifle is a dificult weapon to play with, whenever you need to change possition (after each shot or after being spotted) you are extremely vulnerable to people with mg, smg, or whatever. Sniping is a completely diferent gameplay then for example the mg. It secuires skillz, and so does the mg. All the time i see people running into an open field with guns blazing. This is as it is in real life the quickest way to your grave...ther might be snipers, there might be more nme's than you though. Play with tact and be carefull and observant and you will be protected from snipers. Dont run into open fields with you mg, thats just plain stupid. However fact remains that shotguns and bazookas bring the game out of balance and especially when there are to many of them. Shotgun and bazooka are, you miss them but still you hit them. This is not right and should be changed. If in real life you fire a bazooka while being in the same room as the target, you are dead as hell. Tis should be the case in the game. Same story for the shotgun. There is no way you can hit someone with a shotgun standing at the other side of the map, this should be the case in the game asswel. Leathal at close range but useless at distance.

Ok, i just played MP for the second time today and there were quite a lot of people using rocket launchers and yes i admit it was quite crappy.
I tried the launcher for 3 rounds and did kill quite a few more people from long range with the blast radius, so i'd say the launcher dosen't have a decent role in MP without armoured targets.
But still i don't agree with the last post saying the shotguns too powerful at range , frankly i found it quite useless at more than say 20 yards, but up close it's very powerful.

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im with Langemarck.

well panzers i cant stand on deathmatches, on obj matches theyre okay. they dont ruin it for me though.
shotguns well kinda sux in some maps.

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Hey folks. I just registered and this thread caught my attention. It seems to be a rather emotional issue, and this is very clear when playing online. These disagreements regarding weapons usually end in shouting matches and namecalling, but it boils down to what you were expecting when you bought the game. There are those out there that really enjoy any kind of FPS, and there are those that really enjoy ones that make a concerted effort to envoke certain degrees of realism. I am no doubt of the second kind. And I can say I bought this game because it did appear from the demo to be striving for at least a moderate sense of "realism". Those who find themselves in the first group tend to not understand this.

This is a truly fantastic game, but those who were expecting realism do have a legitamate point, at least concerning shotguns. They were in fact used in combat during WWII, but very rarely, and even then mostly in the Pacific Islands where the brush made it very difficult to spot the enemy, and usually when one did he was very close by. So shotguns were used as they were powerful and there was much room for error.

In this game, Allied Assault, the main concern of many people is that there is an erroneous discrepancy between the power of weapons in short range. There is no question but if someone with a shotgun fires on a guy from 5 ft away then that guy is a goner. However, with respect to rifles this should also be true, and even with colt 45's (which could knock a guy over from that distance). Firing an M1 into the chest of an oncoming soldier who is only 5 or maybe 8 ft away should also result in immediate death. But because it does not (given 100 health), then you end up with the follwing scenario:

A guy with a shotgun rushes (running full speed zig zagging away) a soldier with a rifle, and even if the rifleman fires first and connects, there is no effect on the shotgunner save for the health points he loses. In close quarters, he only needs to pull the trigger once and it's over for the other guy. In other words, there is no reward for the soldier armed with a rifle who is patient, takes careful aim and fires, and so the shotgun's effectiveness is multiplied in the face of other weapons. The end result is you see a lot of people online using shotguns and rushing guys with rifles because they know they can take the hit. Now I've yet to see a mod that effectively remedies this completely. And so naturally some people are going to voice their gripe with the situation.

I don't think its all that big of a deal, but I think it is fair to say that EA was trying to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, so they included bazookas and shotguns for the Quake crowd, which is a pretty big market. Regardless, it is obvious to anyone that plays this game that they were going for more realism than some people would like to admit, and so they made some crucial compromises and that's why we have these threads. Hopefully in the future more servers will pop up so the wacky "realists" like me can get together more often.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>A shotgun will kill you at short range.
Deal with it and play on realism mod servers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

GOD!! This topic was going great until the FLAPJACK EATIN CRANBERRY decided to sully it up. Kudos. Another interesting topic down the crapper cause of a single useless post. You are a credit Sir Shock.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cerebral Assassin:
GOD!! This topic was going great until the FLAPJACK EATIN CRANBERRY decided to sully it up. Kudos. Another interesting topic down the crapper cause of a single useless post. You are a credit Sir Shock.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The same can be said when your foul smelling stentch rears it's ugly head.


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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Red 2:
These disagreements regarding weapons usually end in shouting matches and namecalling, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

judging by the last two entries...it hath begun.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kakorott:
posey must just have 1/2 a brain or he is some kind of non human either way he says he cannot adapt then he has no need for living

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yet again you prove that your intellect is that of a 3rd grader.

get this through your skull:

ITS NOT ABOUT ADAPTING, I CAN ADAPT JUST FINE, IM THINKING ABOUT THE REST OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO PLAY AN ACCURATE WW2 GAME, BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH BAZOOKAS AND SHOTGUNS, OR SNIPER RIFLES, ISNT REALISTIC, OR FUN.
PEOPLE LIKE YOU TEND TO FORGET ABOUT WHAT GAMES ARE ABOUT, WHICH IS HAVING A GOOD TIME.

AND, no need for living? WTF IS THAT, OH NO IM GONNA KILL MYSELF CAUSE I CAN'T ADAPT, WHAT KIND OF DRUGS ARE YOU SMOKING BUDDY, HAHA.

if this game doesn't get the gameplay balances it needs, itll die, and its on to the next game.

POSEYJ? See ya, I can tell you you wont be missed. You want realism - get this through YOUR thick ass school, this game isn't designed for the realism you want. And when wanks get on here thinking they know more than the experts on how to modify the weapons - thats when trouble rears its head, just like when SH3LIA_SHOCK offers her opinion.

Every single weapon in this game can be adapted to, every imbalanced gameplay mechanic can be worked around. You say these mods make the game more realistic - please. It makes it so that wet-behind the ears players who get sick and tired of being hit by a ZOOK dont have to whine anymore. Have you ever wondered why it is that a ZOOK used may actually have more kills than you. I daresay it's a little more than luck. And this goes for all the other FLAPJACKS you insist on defending and taking up the good cause for.

Just funny MR CAPITAL-LETTERS.

Now its shotguns, man...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Every single weapon in this game can be adapted to, every imbalanced gameplay mechanic can be worked around. You say these mods make the game more realistic - please. It makes it so that wet-behind the ears players who get sick and tired of being hit by a ZOOK dont have to whine anymore. Have you ever wondered why it is that a ZOOK used may actually have more kills than you. I daresay it's a little more than luck. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok... first you admit that there are imbalance gameplay mechanics, then you claim that zooka players have more kills because they have more skill. ???

You also claim that the mods do not make the game more realistic.

Do you think that it's realistic for a man to take a slug from a M1 Garand point-blank in the chest and live?

Comon' guys!?
The rocket Launcher is not that good anyway.. Bad accuracy at long range, easy to commit suicide, the reload-sequence is very long. I think it's a great concept to have WW2 in-time weapons. But I miss the flamethrower which is synonumos with WW2.