ahh now i know why he's bitter, a shotgun whore! jealous it doesn't pwn all anymore

Nope, Panzerman understands perfectly that this is a videogame, which is why he thinks realism that kills game balance is retarded. Balance = fun game. Realism = not real.

Cheers!

Panzerman

And I'm not a shotty wh0re. I usually play a rifles only mod :p

shooting someone 3 times with a rifle, using a sniper rifle as an assault weapon because it's mostly one hit kill, insane amount of nade spamming, pistols being useless more stg whoring than ever is fun? news to me.

Bahhhhh hahaha!!! Touche!

So what he's trying to say is. ..

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*sigh*

Collective beatdown, ok, I surrender :p

Cheers,

Panzerman

shoot him in the back

LOL - I love the public muggings we get here. It makes me feel all warm inside.

You held tough for a while panzerman.

The public beat down I think came in when Panzerman decided it best to voice his oppinion about realism being retarded. Everyone's got their own view, though. Again, I'll say that the mod isn't perfect. And I'll also point out that there's a great amount of people who feel that realism plays better than stock. I want to know, however, when you ever fired an STG or BAR and tell me how the heavy load of carrying a BAR can be compared to the lightweight design of the STG. Or the fact that when the BAR was originally designed and deployed, it actually took 2-man teams to do so (one for the gun and the other for the ammo load). You're right, I never did fire any of these weapons or consider how accurate the weight would slow me down. But I felt that given all of the information I collected on these weapons that dates back 60 years.... well, it's as accurate as my imagination can get.

If you've got some information that might contridict the information I have, I'll listen. But to argue that the mod's retarded without playing it or having information to back you up... well, it's just pointless jabber to me. Give me some data that makes me wrong.

Oh, and I'd also like to point out that from what I've learned, the STG was considered an assault rifle all along, whilst the BAR is considered a LMG. Given that fact, I personally don't feel that the BAR and STG should be compared as though they are equal. Only thing that makes them that way is the ROF being the same.

I'm a glutton for punishment, so I'll reply.

I've fired several BARs. They're not too uncommon to see at the firing range I use, and there's several companies making new semi-auto versions. I've never fired an StG (ammo is scarce since no one manufactures it), but I've had my hands on several deactivated ones (sob) and one live one. BARs *are* heavy - but think of it as running holding two full one-gallon milk jugs as opposed to one for the StG. You're still gonna be fast.

For German weapons, there's plenty of old and new data. Most of this stuff's still around. The Department of the Army's Handbook on the German Army (published 1945) gives a good description of every piece of gear the Germans used from the Me-262 to folding spoon/fork combos. For new info - try a gun show. You can get your hands on a lot of this stuff, even if just to see what it really looks/feels like. Their info on german firearms is basic, but detailed enough for something like you're trying.

The StG was considered an assault rifle - that does not mean it was anything near a success. It was constructed mostly from steel stampings, the receiver wall was too thin, and the gas tube crushed like foil if you weren't careful. Everything I've read says they were not considered safe for sustained full auto.

Final point on BAR vs. StG - ballistics between the two rounds (.30'06 vs. 7.92x33mm) are in fact different, but both rounds will kill somebody dead at ranges under 200 yards.

My point behind all of this, and my beef with your post, is that I object to "realism" taking precedence over balance. MoH is so grossly unrealistic to start with that it's an exercise in futility to make a serious effort at making it "real". I certainly appreciate someone's taking the time to do some research (and props to you for doing so) - but don't get carried away ;)

Cheers,

Panzerman