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Merlin122 06-10-2004 01:31 PM
an assault rifle has a a fully automatic function to compensate for a user's inaccuracy. good enough?

cmelton 06-10-2004 01:39 PM
[quote="_-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":ec82b]
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Originally Posted by cmelton
MP44
MP43/StG44 not MP44[/quote:ec82b]


Thank you for clearing that up for me as I am sure the whole community was confused at my typo.

Short Hand 06-10-2004 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cmelton
The term "Sturmgewehr" is translated to mean "STORM RIFLE". The German translation for "Assault" is actually "ANGRIFF". While it is true that the MP44 was and is considered to be the grandaddy of all, so called, assault rifles. It is by no means a "SUBGUN". This firearm utilized the 7.92 caliber "RIFLE" ammunition which is definately not pistol ammunition.
The Third Reich developed a system of warfare called "Blitzkrieg" which literally meant "Lightening War". This tactic was employed among the infantry, armored divisions and luftwaffe. The whole concept was offensive in nature and designed to deliver a quick catastrophic blow to the enemy. The MP44 was a product of this system of fighting as it was generally issued to the German paratroopers ("sturmtroopers"). It's design was ingenius even by todays standards. The concept was to arm the surgical strike soldier with a fast strike weapon that could deliver a large amount of fire but be carried and maintained by one man unlike the MG43 belt fed MG.
I believe one would be hard pressed to prove that the term "Assault Weapon" was invented by the Germans of WWII but it was the introduction of the MP44 that brought about the concept. The term was never heard of until Sarah Brady of HCI, Bill Clinton and other noted liberals started using it to drum up support for the 1994 Assault weapons ban. This term was later used extensively by the liberal media to add shock value to their cause.
In closing I will leave you with this thought. If you have a hammer you simply have a tool used to drive a nail. However, if you use that hammer to assault someone you now have an assault weapon.
we stormed the fort, we assaulted the fort smart one. thkz you silencve for showign him beer:

on another note i see this maybe happening soon.



Yuo have a problem with responsible gun ownership or the second amendment? !!??!??!?!??!
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oh SNAP! Here it comes! baa boom.

Zap. USMC 06-10-2004 02:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin122
an assault rifle has a a fully automatic function to compensate for a user's inaccuracy. good enough?
But the Thompson is automatic and they classify it as a sub-machine gun.

I don't care why they call it an "assault" rifle I'm just curious to what it has to be to classify it as one... is it because of the caliber of the round, length, weight? lol

Short Hand 06-10-2004 02:05 PM
on't they use a short rifle round type or some shit ?

Merlin122 06-10-2004 02:42 PM
[quote="Zap. USMC":3d9e2]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin122
an assault rifle has a a fully automatic function to compensate for a user's inaccuracy. good enough?
But the Thompson is automatic and they classify it as a sub-machine gun.

I don't care why they call it an "assault" rifle I'm just curious to what it has to be to classify it as one... is it because of the caliber of the round, length, weight? lol[/quote:3d9e2]

larger calibur of bullets.

MotoxXx 06-10-2004 03:06 PM
[quote=cmelton]
Quote:
Originally Posted by "_-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":f6459
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmelton
MP44
MP43/StG44 not MP44

Thank you for clearing that up for me as I am sure the whole community was confused at my typo.[/quote:f6459]

I know I felt the same way about them being confused when I read it to. Well I'm glad I have dont my part to help everyone understand better

intrestedviewer 06-10-2004 03:30 PM
SMGs use pistol ammo, .45, 9mm, assault rifles use larger rounds not usable in pistols.

Miscguy 06-11-2004 07:26 AM
[quote="Zap. USMC":5464e]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin122
an assault rifle has a a fully automatic function to compensate for a user's inaccuracy. good enough?
But the Thompson is automatic and they classify it as a sub-machine gun.

I don't care why they call it an "assault" rifle I'm just curious to what it has to be to classify it as one... is it because of the caliber of the round, length, weight? lol[/quote:5464e]

Shit boy you stirred up the bee's nest all to learn why its classified an Assault rifle not SMG? Well hell, thats simple, and i explained in my last post.

SMG - Small/"stubby" round typically a handgun round. Used for close combat, completly inaccurate and useless at long range. compairitably light recoil. (9mm - .45)

Assault Rifle - Medium round/Shortened rifle round. Good for medium ranges, with loss of effect at long ranges. Medium recoil. (5.56)

Rifle - Large round, long range with high accuracy. High recoil. (7.62)

Basically they took what they liked about the SMG, which was its high rate of fire. Then shortened a rifle round to reduce recoil while maintaining the bullet size. So there was less powder, meaning less range, but also less recoil. This ment troops could have a greater combat range, with the option for close combat. This change mostly came about because the standard issue rifles of WW2 had large rounds that could reach 800+ meters but the average combat distance was only 300 or so. The smaller round fit perfectly to solve alot of problems and was simply a natural pergression in firearms.

The ammo sizes noted here are just some common types, used for examples.

cmelton 06-11-2004 08:33 AM
[quote=Miscguy]
Quote:
Originally Posted by "Zap. USMC":4e634
Quote:
Originally Posted by Merlin122
an assault rifle has a a fully automatic function to compensate for a user's inaccuracy. good enough?
But the Thompson is automatic and they classify it as a sub-machine gun.

I don't care why they call it an "assault" rifle I'm just curious to what it has to be to classify it as one... is it because of the caliber of the round, length, weight? lol
Shit boy you stirred up the bee's nest all to learn why its classified an Assault rifle not SMG? Well hell, thats simple, and i explained in my last post.

SMG - Small/"stubby" round typically a handgun round. Used for close combat, completly inaccurate and useless at long range. compairitably light recoil. (9mm - .45)

Assault Rifle - Medium round/Shortened rifle round. Good for medium ranges, with loss of effect at long ranges. Medium recoil. (5.56)

Rifle - Large round, long range with high accuracy. High recoil. (7.62)

Basically they took what they liked about the SMG, which was its high rate of fire. Then shortened a rifle round to reduce recoil while maintaining the bullet size. So there was less powder, meaning less range, but also less recoil. This ment troops could have a greater combat range, with the option for close combat. This change mostly came about because the standard issue rifles of WW2 had large rounds that could reach 800+ meters but the average combat distance was only 300 or so. The smaller round fit perfectly to solve alot of problems and was simply a natural pergression in firearms.

The ammo sizes noted here are just some common types, used for examples.[/quote:4e634]


by your definition, neither of the rifles that I posted earlier in this thread are assault rifles. I disagree.

Miscguy 06-11-2004 09:06 AM
Because you take things to litterally.

The size of the round is a key factor of what makes an assualt rifle useful, and veristile. Your weapons were full size rifle rounds as were Ak47's upon release. However sometime in the vietnam era the Ak47 was retooled and fitted with a smaller round to make it more managable. As i recall these were designated the AK47m or ak47 (modern).

Now the fact that some assualt rifles have used large rifle round rounds does not exclude them from being assualt rifles. There are other factors that are not limited to just the size of the round fired. Such as weight, recoil managment, magazine size, rate of fire, and general firing style.

The size of the round is key to what makes an assualt rifle great, but is not the only factor as you try to imply. I place such emphasis on the round size because on most modern assault rifles, and in fact on the STG44, they fire shortened rifle rounds. Was there really a need to hit on, or go into depth on the facts of weight, recoil, etc, when i chose to cover the heart of what makes up an assault rifle.

cmelton 06-11-2004 11:34 AM
[quote="_-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":7c265][quote=cmelton]MP44 [/quote]

MP43/StG44 not MP44[/quote:7c265]



mp44 is acutually accurate.


[url="http://claus.espeholt.dk/mp44.htm"]http://claus.espeholt.dk/mp44.htm[/url]

Tystnad 06-11-2004 11:45 AM
[quote=cmelton][quote="_-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":efefa][quote=cmelton]MP44 [/quote]

MP43/StG44 not MP44[/quote]



mp44 is acutually accurate.


[url="http://claus.espeholt.dk/mp44.htm"]http://claus.espeholt.dk/mp44.htm[/url][/quote:efefa]

[quote="http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/STG+44":efefa]The Sturmgewehr 44 (StG44, MP 44/43) was the world's first weapon called a assault rifle

Assault rifle is a specific military term for various types of fully-automatic and select-fire (multi-shot burst) intermediate-power long guns.

Note: this term should not be confused with the loosely-defined term assault weapon, which refers to any of a number of classes of pistols, rifles, and shotguns.
[/quote:efefa]

Is that enough to end this discussion?

Mr.Buttocks 06-11-2004 05:07 PM
[quote=Tystnad][quote=cmelton]
Quote:
Originally Posted by _-=WB=-_ MotoxXx":95915]
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmelton
MP44
MP43/StG44 not MP44[/quote]



mp44 is acutually accurate.


[url="http://claus.espeholt.dk/mp44.htm
http://claus.espeholt.dk/mp44.htm[/url]
[quote="http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/STG+44":95915]The Sturmgewehr 44 (StG44, MP 44/43) was the world's first weapon called a assault rifle

Assault rifle is a specific military term for various types of fully-automatic and select-fire (multi-shot burst) intermediate-power long guns.

Note: this term should not be confused with the loosely-defined term assault weapon, which refers to any of a number of classes of pistols, rifles, and shotguns.
[/quote:95915]

Is that enough to end this discussion?[/quote:95915]

I hope so. sleeping:


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