Re: The 2000's suck.
 

[quote="Sgt. Duffy":67d33]Yes. Agreed beyond words. I'm going through a little 60's phase..I'm listening to all the stuff my dad listened to when he was a hippy hipster, and it just always rings in my mind how much more talented those musical artists were compared to the fuckers and screamers we've got today.[/quote:67d33]

You two don't know shit. I'm guessing it's because you're both like 12 and haven't even had a chance to explore any music scenes. Hell, you're not even old enough to go to most concerts. (ROFL).

he is right, alot (not all) bands of today cant even play instruments. Drummers in a box for the back beat. Prerecorded tracks it is a joke. How many rappers know what a guitar pick is or a drum stick

You guys don't know what you're talking about. You're judging todays music by what you see on TV. Can't do that nowadays. It's the music industry that has changed, not the musicians.

You just gotta know where to look, there are plenty of good musicians out there. Youth is where the money is for the industry today and sadly the youth don't give a shit about skilled musicians. Doesn't mean all musicians just shut down and give up making music altogether. Plant yourself right in the middle of any "scene" and you'll see plenty of bands/artists that are VERY skilled at what they do.

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":20397] How many rappers know what a guitar pick is or a drum stick[/quote:20397]

The Roots

Crown City Rockers

Will.I.Am

Ozomatli

Open Souls

....All play hiphop with live instruments.

But regardless, most hiphop artists/rappers don't use instruments simply because you can't get the right sound they're looking for. To each his own, doesn't mean all rock bands are more skilled because they play instruments, they just do it differently.

Digging for samples off of old 78s is a a pretty gruelling task compared to putting together a few riffs on a guitar anyways.

I'm sure you've all heard me go on and on about this shit over and over again.....But I guess you'd rather just ignore me or maybe you just flat out think I'm lying. Ignorance is bliss I suppose.

Trip, I understand where you're coming from. I do acknowledge that many artists and groups are very good at what they do, but like you said, to each his own. Acknowleding someone's skill and enjoying listening to it are two completely different things, though.

Sure but to write off a whole decade for being unskilled at music is fucking dumb.

lol

I never said modern musicians were unskilled.

''And none of this modern music,'' Is a reflection of my personal opinion on the quality of modern music. Skilfully made or not, if I'm going to listen to music, it's all about whether I like it or not.

Okay somehow I've gotten into two debates.

For you, I assign: The "Music is still good in this decade, you just need to nowhere to look" argument that I was posting about.

For stackem: The same, but also my skill argument was originally directed towards his post. oOo:

I never said all bands I said most bands. I think your statement

"Digging for samples off of old 78s is a a pretty gruelling task compared to putting together a few riffs on a guitar anyways. "

is an absolute joke, your saying picking and chosing other peoples riffs and bits of songs is harder than creating them in the frist place. That is just a joke. to create music (no matter what genre) is a tough thing to do. Stealing samples is easy. Yes I said stealing samples. Thats what they do because they dont have the talent to create things themselves

I like alot fo stuff from a bunch of different eras and there is no era disregarded. Their is good shit in every decade, just got to know how to look. There is a bunch of shit artists are trying these days that artists back then had no idea of and it has evolved.

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":61b58]I never said all bands I said most bands. I think your statement

"Digging for samples off of old 78s is a a pretty gruelling task compared to putting together a few riffs on a guitar anyways. "

is an absolute joke, your saying picking and chosing other peoples riffs and bits of songs is harder than creating them in the frist place. That is just a joke. to create music (no matter what genre) is a tough thing to do. Stealing samples is easy. Yes I said stealing samples. Thats what they do because they dont have the talent to create things themselves[/quote:61b58]

How many people do you know that can play pretty much every instrument on the planet?
Because that's what would be required if these guys had to play every instrument to make their beats. That's what hiphop is, making music without being taught. That's how it started in the ghetto first - Kids that couldn't make music by any other means found a way to put songs together without the use of instruments they had no access to, they created a whole new sound.

You've obviously never tried cutting and looping small pieces of audio out of vinyl and making it flow flawlessley. It's damn near impossible to do, and takes ALOT of fine tuning and practise.....and what I meant was that it's a long and hard task and requires different abilities than learning an instrument, it's a different ball game - But that doesn't mean it's not fucking hard and strenuous - That was the point I was trying to make, I didn't intend for it to come out like it was a direct comparison, because obviously it is fucking hard learning a guitar, it's just a different type of hard.

You could call using samples of other peoples instruments stealing, but I could just as easily call the same for someone using guitar coords. They've stood on the shoulders of giants the same way, everything has been played on the giutar so no single coord is original. It's all about the arrangement of them to get originality. Same thing when you're digging for samples. It's just a different way of doing things.