wthell is this.. I hate America.. I Never said such a thing. rolleyes:

What Im getting at is, theres a certain sense of pride that you can only feel (to an extent) that youre country men did something.

For instance:Knowing that the Americans beat the British army during the revolutionary war.

Its a great feeling to know that over 229 years ago people who lived on the same soil as you fought and died for what they beleived. Its much harder to look at another countries achievements and feel the same pride knowing that they did something great.

Its harder to look at the Jews and feel pride knowing that they were surrounded by arab countries that wanted to destroy them and all they did was have a handful of settlers and a bunch of brave men with american made weapons.

Having an opinion on a country is something anyone can do. But when you live on this soil and love this country you see things from a differnt perspective.

your a fucking psychopath. eek:

How about you both shut up? Neither of you can carry out a debate without resorting to insults and certainly neither of your opinions are any more worthless than the other.

How about you guys just not create threads or stay out of any threads that have anything political in nature?

Or better yet just grow up, you act like two kids arguing over whos dad is tougher than the other.

syes, i should try and have intelligent debate with this mongrol..... (if you hadnt noticed, he decided to cme into this thread and strut his stuff. As always. I just ride it out.

[quote="Old Reliable":77e0f]um , check your facts bub, by the year 2020 or so, china will be the strongest economic power. their only problem, like us are the environmental concerns. so bascially by 2100 economic growth wont matter and governments will be too busy scrambling to clean up the planet[/quote:77e0f]

Wow, that is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in the entirety of my life. First and foremost, China practices Communism. The entire point of Communism is equilibrium, not growth or decline. Communism effectively crushes any attempts at significant growth over a period of time.

Secondly, you are telling someone to check their "facts" in regards to some website that you Google'd that made a prediction that China would be the greatest economic power in the world by 2020. That's so dependant and subjective that it isn't even worth arguing against. However, Bush is calling for reform to NAFTA and the Chinese trade agreement signed by Clinton. Two things which economists blame for the current instability of the economy and what is referred to as the "silent Clinton/Gore recession." It's called that because Democrats did a fan-fucking-tastic job of spinning the recession on Bush despite the fact we were in recession while the debate over who won the election was still ongoing.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, is the obvious and total lack of regard for the Cost of Development. In order for a nation to prosper continuously over a period of time, it requires two things:

A) A free market (Communism does not provide for this outside their "spheres of influence")

B) Consistant development

Without development of the impoverished rural areas of China (which accounts for over 80% of the population and over 90% of land area) growth will inevitably be halted and unable to progress. China will be forced to pour endless amounts of money into social improvement programs which will delay any significant growth by a minimum of twenty years from the time this begins. China, as yet, has chosen to completely ignore its rural constituency.

Now, go check YOUR facts and stay the fuck out of my threads if you don't know what you're talking about.

it'sc TGB and Noc's new favourtie low bblow come back line, your a google newb. Honestly rolleyes:

GG OR rock:

[quote="Short Hand":aefb7]it'sc TGB and Noc's new favourtie low bblow come back line, your a google newb. Honestly rolleyes:[/quote:aefb7]

It's not a comeback, it's a relevancy. Kids who think they are instant experts on a subject because they typed "China" into their Google searchbar and read the first editorial they ran across are becoming an epidemic. Now, you stupid, ignorant, pissy little cunt - if you want to debate issues, debate issues. But when you are so thoroughly sat on your ass by people who are actually educated that all you can manage to come back with is, "Oh look at their new favorite come back the Google n00b, OLOLOOLLL!!! BOONS!!!11eleven" - then it's time to shut your uneducated ass the fuck up.

well, I would hope you would have some respect for OR, the guy is in his what... 5th yearn ow of University ?. Besides I have heard many economists make these predictions on TV, the internet etc etc all say china economy could possibly out grow the Us's within the near future, all I am seeing here Noc is you getting pissed off that maybe, just maybe, your country wont be the big kid on the block anymore, this threatens you and makes you retaliate as you did to OR.

I'll keep this short and simple:

- Republicans had a fabulous convention and the president stepped up to the plate and hit a home run.
-Arnold was a hit wheter you like him or not.
-Kerry had a petty little ralley just seconds after the RNC concluded that adressed nothing the president proposed in his speech. He was just running scared from Zell Miller a few nights before .
- Canadians can't vote in this election. Thank God.
- Bush will be president for four more years. rock:
- TGB and Noc speak the truth rock:

Arnold said
"Stop being economic girly men" Right?

As for bush as i am, thats fucking bullshit. I take that as "Accept your poverty" Coming from a man who is absolutely filthy rich.

p.s. i think thats what i heard, if he didnt say that. Dont murder my penis

[quote="Short Hand":fb1e0]well, I would hope you would have some respect for OR, the guy is in his what... 5th yearn ow of University ?. Besides I have heard many economists make these predictions on TV, the internet etc etc all say china economy could possibly out grow the Us's within the near future, all I am seeing here Noc is you getting pissed off that maybe, just maybe, your country wont be the big kid on the block anymore, this threatens you and makes you retaliate as you did to OR.[/quote:fb1e0]

Old Reliable is like.. 17 years old. And if he is out of high school, and he is in his fifth year of University.. well, I hope he didn't pay for it.

I presented facts, Short Hand. Something that seems to be innately impossible for you to do in an argument, likely due to your complete and utter lack of any education worth mentioning. Please go back to something you know, perhaps the Insult Pic Thread.

China might be communistic but they still have progress and reform. They want to have the perfect economy. However we deal (and need to stay stable) a wave length pattern of recessions.

these nubs dont speak "Isis"....might have to rephrase that for the unenlightened imwithstupid:

[quote="Short Hand":628f0]this is the first political thread i have gotten really involved in in a long time here buddy. Spare me your shit. + i kept it civil. rolleyes:[/quote:628f0]ive had enough of your fucking whinign, sit ur god damn jew ass down and eat the shit from the different asshole.

[quote=Noctis]Old Reliable is like.. 17 years old. And if he is out of high school, and he is in his fifth year of University.. well, I hope he didn't pay for it.

I presented facts, Short Hand. Something that seems to be innately impossible for you to do in an argument, likely due to your complete and utter lack of any education worth mentioning. Please go back to something you know, perhaps the Insult Pic Thread.[/quote:d8676]

ha, ooooook. just cause i'm not a mainstream american who believes in the money making bullcrap that is the repubs and dems makes me 17 years old and uninformed? nigga plz

No, I say you're 17 years old and uneducated because that's how you present yourself, especially when you start spewing off-the-chart conspiracy theories and completely baseless commentary on topics about which you obviously have absolutely no clue.

[quote="[DAS REICH] Blitz":dcbce][quote="Short Hand":dcbce]this is the first political thread i have gotten really involved in in a long time here buddy. Spare me your shit. + i kept it civil. rolleyes:[/quote:dcbce]ive had enough of your fucking whinign, sit ur god damn jew ass down and eat the shit from the different asshole.[/quote:dcbce]

I like you rock:

um ok, lets see, maybe because i'm a student of INTERNATIONAL POLITICS> my studies with present day issues such as the current presidential race dont affect me at all. international relations.....domestic relations. besides, you're not an expert either, so stop trying to act like one.

Noctis > All.

[quote="Old Reliable":7a261]um ok, lets see, maybe because i'm a student of INTERNATIONAL POLITICS> my studies with present day issues such as the current presidential race dont affect me at all. international relations.....domestic relations. besides, you're not an expert either, so stop trying to act like one.[/quote:7a261]

That what Im studying old - with an Asian emphasis - and nothing Ive seen suggests that within 16 years China will enter a radical stage of economic/social development that will quadruple gdp per capita and overtake the united states. 1 billion versus 300 million is the first problem theyre facing. You are going to need RADICAL economic reform and nothing suggests that those "elected officials" are going to give up the reigns of power anytime soon. With an an 85% literacy rate (you know the farmers are bringing that down) and a Birth to death ratio of 2-1 - China still has LEAPS and bounds to go before theyre economic prosperity is distrubeted across the ENTIRE continent.

And just because you dont let the "media" manipulate you into supporting a two party system, doesnt mean you dont support a two party system. Just because youre "aware" of the bullshit doesnt mean youre still being taken for a ride. It's the intellectual elitists that make me laugh, as if by virtue of their learnin they are somehow more politically advanced than everyone else.

i'm not into the asian sector as much as latin america or europe, but I do know that their enviornmental concerns are going to grab international attention soon as they are advancing too rapidly. the farmers are actually forming into small semi-democratic groups to help with their situations (once again its beginning of semester and these facts are fuzzy for me).

as for american political scene, its much like other countries, only they try to personalise it so it seems warm and fuzzy. politics is a do or die business and im not ready to make my decisions and where i stand politically. for myself i am strong on environment issues and global relations. as for other things.......well i'm not an expert so i have no say. economics....blah

Yeah..Its a real shame how they all voted in the last one,cause you know people that arent citizens do that oOo:

If Canada could vote in this election Bush would be ruined.

[quote=Noctis][quote="Short Hand":2e20b]well, I would hope you would have some respect for OR, the guy is in his what... 5th yearn ow of University ?. Besides I have heard many economists make these predictions on TV, the internet etc etc all say china economy could possibly out grow the Us's within the near future, all I am seeing here Noc is you getting pissed off that maybe, just maybe, your country wont be the big kid on the block anymore, this threatens you and makes you retaliate as you did to OR.[/quote]

Old Reliable is like.. 17 years old. And if he [i]is[/i] out of high school, and he [i]is[/i] in his fifth year of University.. well, I hope he didn't pay for it.

I presented facts, Short Hand. Something that seems to be innately impossible for you to do in an argument, likely due to your complete and utter lack of any education worth mentioning. Please go back to something you know, perhaps the Insult Pic Thread.[/quote:2e20b]

You sound extremely smart here indeed.. rolleyes:

When someone disagrees with you you call them uneducated, give me a break here buddy, that is damn right pathetic. "and for your uneducated ass rolleyes: " China is reforming rapidly and moving away from Coomunism, this is not the China of 1950 here.


[quote="Das Blitz"]ive had enough of your fucking whinign, sit ur god damn jew ass down and eat the shit from the different asshole.[quote]

Racism... I beleive this is against the Rules of AA.com ? Note: that Levinstein supports it. oOo: Retards stick in packs.

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As for the whole "Flip Flop Issue" this explains in better detail to the un "informed eye" of why Kerry changed his decision, as anyone would.

http://www.buzzflash.com/theangrylibera ... 04009.html

well........

[quote:2d4f6]With the US election neck to neck both parties are attempting to look outside the box to gain support and more importantly votes. This interestingly enough has lead both parties to campaign in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Yup. The most Americanized city in the world has now become a new battleground…umm…state (!!??) in the race to the White House. With an incredible 8% of the city’s population being comprised of dual citizens or Americans living in Calgary, this Canadian city could be the deciding factor in the race if it comes down to the wire this November. Obviously there are many American voters abroad, however Calgary holds a slightly larger significance due to the number of potential voters and the location which allows for easier access for campaigning. John Kerry’s sister will leading the Kerry camp here in Calgary, while a local volunteer will be spreading the President’s message of sorrow….errr…prosperity across the city.

Good shit. If Calgary actually decides the US presidency I am going to be laughing hysterically for the next month.[/quote:2d4f6]

oOo:

[quote="Short Hand":71011]
You sound extremely smart here indeed.. rolleyes:

When someone disagrees with you you call them uneducated, give me a break here buddy, that is damn right pathetic. "and for your uneducated ass rolleyes: " China is reforming rapidly and moving away from Coomunism, this is not the China of 1950 here.
[/quote:71011]

Please stop talking until you have some semblance of a clue as to what you are saying. The only "reform" in China has been there for a decade, and they're called Spheres of Influence. These are economic zones in urban areas that allow for Capitalism to be practiced to a certain degree. China is most certainly not going to move away from Communism any time soon. Communism is the only thing keeping the current ruling elite in power over there at the moment, so disowning it would be like giving up their power. Trust me, this will not happen. The only way China will break away from Communism is if Taiwan finally coordinates an uprising within the countryside of China. Again, this is not very likely. So, minus the Spheres of Influence and a bit more technology in the urban sector, this most certainly is the China of the 1950s.

Now, when I have to CONSTANTLY explain EVERYTHING to you because you make these wild comments out of deep left field somewhere, I get irritated and make the point that you are OBVIOUSLY uneducated because you haven't a damned clue what you're saying.

Now, STFU and stay out of the big boys' conversations until you're a little older, son.

pathetic, is that all you have ? oOo:

I wasn't talking in relation to that all.

"I SIMPLY SAID CHINA I REFORMING AND CHANGING FROM ITS COMMUNISTS WAYS"

fuck rolleyes:

[quote="Short Hand":849c4]pathetic, is that all you have ? gimme a break.[/quote:849c4]

Tell you what, why don't you stop looking like a flaming moron and try to contest things with facts.

Otherwise, if you can't contribute to the thread in an intelligent manner you are offtopic: and the mods will be asking ban: for instigating a flame war.

EDIT:: GG editing your post to add more. I just explained to you that they are NOT REFORMING.

no your the moron here. don't pull this bullshit.


China started these reforms in how it operates in 1979, you claiming China is still as it was back in 1950 is complete and utter nonsense.

-You were also proven worng in the Uranium shell thread. Your not some sort of Brain Child God. Get over yourself. rolleyes:


nigga plz.

EDIT

Umm I only edited my post in response to pROTEUS RIGHT NOW. I havent done anything else in relation to you. Your the one who just made the fool of yourself. Also note in that post all I did was change the word it began with to "Well." rolleyes:

Im not trying to start some debate over the issue, im only stating that

"Economists have commented on China's huge growth"

&

"That China Reformed its economy in 1979."

(Thus not making it like the China of 1950.) AT LEAST NOT EXACTLY.....

[quote="Short Hand":a674f]no your the moron here. don't pull this bullshit.


China started these reforms in how it operates in 1979, you claiming China is still as it was back in 1950 is complete and utter nonsense.

-You were also proven worng in the Uranium shell thread. Your not some sort of Brain Child God. Get over yourself. rolleyes:


n**** plz.

EDIT

Umm I only edited my post in response to pROTEUS RIGHT NOW. I havent done anything else in relation to you. Your the one who just made the fool of yourself. Also note in that post all I did was change the word it began with to "Well." rolleyes:[/quote:a674f]

Lots of backpeddling is all I'm seeing here.

I wasn't proven wrong in the DU thread, I just missed the drift on it somehow. Probably because there was a tropical storm over my head. The bottom line - since you didn't read anything I posted, apparently - is that the radioactive content of DU munitions is so miniscule that it has no residual impact on the environment. Now, upon impact, it could very well affect the individual. However, that makes sense, considering you're TRYING TO KILL the person you're shooting. But that's another thread entirely and I don't want to get too offtopic:

The only reforms China has made is allowing more technology and introducing Spheres of Influence. That's it. That is not significant reform and they aren't looking to reform any further than that.

Now please, either stop talking or stop breathing. Preferrably the latter, the gene pool could use the clean up.

cuss:

[quote=Noctis]Lots of backpeddling is all I'm seeing here.

I wasn't proven wrong in the DU thread, I just missed the drift on it somehow. Probably because there was a tropical storm over my head. The bottom line - since you didn't read anything I posted, apparently - is that the radioactive content of DU munitions is so miniscule that it has no residual impact on the environment. Now, upon impact, it could very well affect the individual. However, that makes sense, considering you're TRYING TO KILL the person you're shooting. But that's another thread entirely and I don't want to get too offtopic:

The only reforms China has made is allowing more technology and introducing Spheres of Influence. That's it. That is not significant reform and they aren't looking to reform any further than that.

Now please, either stop talking or stop breathing. Preferrably the latter, the gene pool could use the clean up.[/quote:95045]

you sound like Levy here.

(Also note when toxic waste turns into a aerosol and drifts around, into the water etc etc, it doesn't matter how radio active it is. What matters is the toxicity you just digested, inhailed etc is extremely harmful to your body. )


It just seems you never have a proper tone to respect other people's view in any type of debate, all you do is call them a retard. (Which OR is not).

The more shorthand pretends to know what he speaks of, the more he is hated rock:

Whenever an appropriately researched or educated opinion is presented in any debate, you'll find that I am appropriately respectful of their point or counter-point. What is irritating is when I try to have an intelligent conversation or debate about something, and you come along and make these totally baseless or ignorant statements which I then have to counter despite their invalidity. That's annoying.

So, Short Hand, you'll find that I will almost never have anything resembling a respectful tone when dealing with you so long as you keep spewing ignorant bullshit. And you'll also find that when OR presents his views in a way that isn't instigatory - so long as it isn't one of those wild-ass things out of left field - I'm more than happy to discuss matters in a respectful tone.

Now, please, with all due respect, get the fuck out of my thread.

I have never seen you deal respectfully with anyone in these kinds of things. Ever.