[quote=ninty9][quote="Cpl. Eames":551a7]
in that case I wasn't serious in any of my posts, I'm really strongly pro Bush oOo:[/quote:551a7]

ha, i enjoyed the remark at the end of that....but ya basicly i think all the people that sat around and watched as wounded americans were being tortured and beat to death should be punished...severely because they are as guilty as the people who comited this crime for sitting around and doing nothing, and I already explained my reasoning for this stance in the other 2 pages of this thread, anyways...if you would notice the other responses given, mine was pretty much on par with what everone else was saying, except for you and your liberal enclave...i mean who wouldnt have have this sort of reaction after reading about the out rage comited against wounded american troops???![/quote:551a7]

That type of thing happens every day around the world.

What about people who watch crimes and do nothing in America? Should they be rounded up and shot as well?

Remember the last Seinfeld episode?[/quote:551a7]

You know what happens to people who sit around and watch a crime happen and dont do anything to stop it here in america? They are sent to jail, and you know what they can put the iraqi spectators in jail to if shooting them is to extreme, but the people who murdered wounded soldiers need to be killed no questions asked, how would u feel if those were wounded canadain soldiers being dragged out of their wrecked humvee and mutilated?

while the deaths of our men are really sad, I cannot blame the average Iraqi for standing by and doing nothing. The postwar planning looks like it was done by a bunch of chimpanzees, not American style at all. The Iraqis were promised so much, but that's all it is promises. Our military stood by and let looters run rampant, we still don't have electricity restored, there are way too many people out of work, how can the average Iraqi be loyal to us in this situation?

this article says it all, straight from the general's mouth

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story. ... 1126PPC101



I honestly thought at the beginning of the war that we could build a democratic government in a sea of fundamentalism, and show the Arabs the way to prosperity.
However thanks to Dumbsfeld and the idiots in Washington, we are now likely to fail because we have not captured the hearts of Iraqis fast enough.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":94ebf]while the deaths of our men are really sad, I cannot blame the average Iraqi for standing by and doing nothing. The postwar planning looks like it was done by a bunch of chimpanzees, not American style at all. The Iraqis were promised so much, but that's all it is promises. Our military stood by and let looters run rampant, we still don't have electricity restored, there are way too many people out of work, how can the average Iraqi be loyal to us in this situation?

this article says it all, straight from the general's mouth

[url="http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-1107&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20031126%2F102271235.htm&sc=1107&photoid=20 031126PPC101"]http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story. ... 1126PPC101[/url][/quote:94ebf]

the generals remarks at the end of the article basicly sum up whats going on in iraq

"The international war on terrorism began to be fought in Iraq,'' he said, with anti-American fighters coming in from other countries. "

``That's not all bad,'' Garner said. ``Bring 'em all in there, we'll kill 'em there.''

Yes I will agree things in iraq are not yet perfect and yes I do believe we didnt go in iraq with a plan for the "post war" aftermath but based on the number of troops we have in iraq (which i agree is far to few) we are making remarkable strides in bringing a better life to the iraqi people, in most parts of iraq things are better then they were when sadam was in power and there are few incidents of terror attacks, the only hotzones are in the "sunni triangle" where sunni muslims, baathist, fedayeen, other sadam loyalist and foreign volunteers are always causing shit and impeding the rebuilding efforts there. I recomend you stop using cnn as your news provider, they have a huge liberal bias....to get the full picture on the war in iraq go to http://www.military.com or http://www.strategypage.com even http://www.foxnews.com does a more balanced and accurate job in presenting us with the facts as to whats actually going on in iraq.

[quote="Cpl. Eames":31c87][quote=ninty9][quote="Cpl. Eames":31c87]
in that case I wasn't serious in any of my posts, I'm really strongly pro Bush oOo:[/quote:31c87]

ha, i enjoyed the remark at the end of that....but ya basicly i think all the people that sat around and watched as wounded americans were being tortured and beat to death should be punished...severely because they are as guilty as the people who comited this crime for sitting around and doing nothing, and I already explained my reasoning for this stance in the other 2 pages of this thread, anyways...if you would notice the other responses given, mine was pretty much on par with what everone else was saying, except for you and your liberal enclave...i mean who wouldnt have have this sort of reaction after reading about the out rage comited against wounded american troops???![/quote:31c87]

That type of thing happens every day around the world.

What about people who watch crimes and do nothing in America? Should they be rounded up and shot as well?

Remember the last Seinfeld episode?[/quote:31c87]

You know what happens to people who sit around and watch a crime happen and dont do anything to stop it here in america? They are sent to jail, and you know what they can put the iraqi spectators in jail to if shooting them is to extreme, but the people who murdered wounded soldiers need to be killed no questions asked, how would u feel if those were wounded canadain soldiers being dragged out of their wrecked humvee and mutilated?[/quote:31c87]

I doubt there are many judges that would convict someone for not intervening in a crime. People don't have an obligation. Why should I risk my life to save someone? I'm not going to attack a criminal with a gun. He'd just turn around and shoot me.

I have no problem with punishing the people who did that. I'm not saying what they did was right. They should be punished. I don't really believe in the death penalty though. What you were saying was pnishing those who watched it happen. If you see a fight between two people at a school, most people don't intervene. When one guy gets his ass kicked, still nobody intervenes. I know this is a little different, but I don't think you can blame people for doing nothing. If I were an Iraqi I wouldn't go anywhere near US troops.

Nationality doesn't matter. I don't care if their American, Canadian, Japanese, or Martian. it doesn't make a difference. Its all equally wrong. And killing people who watched it is just as wrong as the initial killing was.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":e3c02]I honestly thought at the beginning of the war that we could build a democratic government in a sea of fundamentalism, and show the Arabs the way to prosperity.
However thanks to Dumbsfeld and the idiots in Washington, we are now likely to fail because we have not captured the hearts of Iraqis fast enough.[/quote:e3c02]
I was hoping that too, and I agree it looks likely to fail...I reckon now that any major infrastructure
(power/water etc.) that is restored by the US will be sabotaged so quickly that it will be impossible
to keep fixing them, same with the oil pipes. The last thing these "islamic warriors" want is to see life
for the average Iraqi to improve because of a western coalition occupation.

Like Afghanistan, the borders are so loose that any al-queda/anti-western fighters can arrive and
proceed with jihad on the crusading infidel in what they must be seeing as a "fish in a barrel"
scenario, I don't believe these guys are all "saddam loyalists" nor do I think they need an osama to
order anything anymore.

Even if the US was too pull out after setting up some kind of government in Iraq, what are the chances
of that government succeeding in keeping all the factions together...?
The reason saddam was left in power after the first gulf war was that the US believed the
fundamentalism, mainly from Iran, that would quickly fill the power-void, was even worse.
This will still be the situation if the US and allies leave now or soon, but what will be
the cost of staying...and will it be worth it?

Many iraqis see the coalition's effort to help build new infastructure as a way for America to monopolise the oil and get more money. Eveything has been misunderstood from Day One.

[quote="Cpl. Eames":9fdce]Fucking towel head savages, that whole towns population needs to be rounded up and shot in the back of the head nazi style after we burn there shit hole town down, the life of one american and british soldier is worth the lives of the entire muslim population on earth.[/quote:9fdce]

[img]http://bigsblog.blogspot.com/images/ermey.jpg[/img]

Someone's been to the "Gunnery Sergeant Hartman School of Diplomacy" rolleyes:

[quote="Captain Wilkins":c0935][quote="Cpl. Eames":c0935]Fucking towel head savages, that whole towns population needs to be rounded up and shot in the back of the head nazi style after we burn there shit hole town down, the life of one american and british soldier is worth the lives of the entire muslim population on earth.[/quote:c0935]

[img]http://bigsblog.blogspot.com/images/ermey.jpg[/img]

Someone's been to the "Gunnery Sergeant Hartman School of Diplomacy" rolleyes:[/quote:c0935]

He's a legend in the corps especially on Paris Island.

"Today is Christmas, their will be a magic show at 0930...Chaplain charley will tell you how the free world will conquer communism, with the help of God...AND A FEW MARINES. God, has a hard on for Marines, because we kill everything we see, he plays his games, and we play ours...and to show our apreciation for such power we keep heavean packed with fresh souls!"

I think GySgt Hartmans words are as true today as they ever were, just replace communism with Islam.