if $$$ is an issue, look at the creative zen's fireal.

[quote="Short Hand":8e54d] i hate to say it but any amps juicing out more then 500 watts rms in a heat sink design with out any ventilation such as fans is gonna over heat. or at least give in a little, which happens to mine rarely.


what was the price on that amp aswell. Ill compare it to the price i put on mine.[/quote:8e54d]
Ok let me start out with this: I know ALOT more about car audio than you.
Next, you are so incredibly wrong! First off, do you know the classes of amps and what they mean? Probly not, I'll explain.
Class A - Not many out there, US Amps and TRU makes some IIRC. Extremely inefficient meaning they waste alot of power to heat, but they sound amazing. They are more prevelent in home audio.
Class B - Very efficient but sound like azz, little to none are sold as car audio amps.
Class A/B - ahh, here we go. These are 95% of you multi-channel amps out there. If your amp has more than 1 channel, its a class A/B amp. These are, as the name implies, a compromise between class A and class B. They are somewhat efficient (around 50%) and can sound pretty decent.
Class D - If you have a true monoblock amp, it is probly a class D. These amps are very efficient (up to 80%) meaning LITTLE heat and lots of power. Thats why they are usually used in high power applications. They dont sound good, but thats why we put them on subs where they arent noticably bad. They have recently come out with some full range class D (or class T as they are being called) which they have managed to get to sound pretty good.
The point of that is with a class D amp, you can have a 1200watt amp and it wont overheat nomatter how hard you drive it or how hot is it outside. Not all of course, some do overheat but saying all amps over 500RMS overheat is plain stupid. I've owned 3 amps over that and none of them have ever overheated. Kenwood amps suck ass, thats why your dads overheated. Rockfords are decent. What model? If its a class D monoblock like you said, I'm surprised it is shutting down. You are running 0 guage power and ground right?

BTW my eclipse was $350 locally.

mine was 160 US. pushes out 800 watts at 4ohms mono. Alright ? now all im fuing saying here buddy is that for the price to performance that is fucking good. + it barely ever over heats in comparison to all my former amps. ffs. don't get all im a fucking car audio god on me here. Ive been building systems for years. + fial to see how you posting the amps classification rating had any relevance to WHAT we are idsscussing the first place. Your just trying to sound like your a genius on the topic. Its frustrating, you just did it to Himmler now your trying to pull this bs on me. it ain't kool or 1337.

he actually knew wtf he was talking about both times..... hes not claiming to be a god, hes talking about shit he knows about

and he types in .. .you guessed it..... readable fucking sentences!!! OMG!!! annoy:

[quote="Short Hand":62c45]mine was 160 US. pushes out 800 watts at 4ohms mono. Alright ? now all im fuing saying here buddy is that for the price to performance that is fucking good. + it barely ever over heats in comparison to all my former amps. ffs. don't get all im a fucking car audio god on me here. Ive been building systems for years. + fial to see how you posting the amps classification rating had any relevance to WHAT we are idsscussing the first place. Your just trying to sound like your a genius on the topic. Its frustrating, you just did it to Himmler now your trying to pull this bs on me. it ain't kool or 1337.[/quote:62c45]
I posted the amp classes so you could see why your 500+ RMS amps overheat statement was stupid since different classes of amps have different efficiencies (ie a 500watt class D amp is MUCH different than a 500watt class A/B amp), I guess you didnt catch that. Its just frusterating because I'm not getting anything across to you. Sorry if I sound like a know-it-all or whatever but trust me, I KNOW what I'm talking about.
What MODEL is your amp?

fuji stfu , thats not what i was talking about you dolt. I was saying that has no relevance to what we were talkign about at the time. now stfu and go back to fuck face eclispe. Im tired of you jumping into to threads to start bs with me.

its a A/B thats why ffs. is yours a D ? + my trunk itself heats from any where to 50 Celcius (not ferenheit), it even explains in the manual here that its not good to operate it at that level. rolleyes: so yess there will be over heating, thats all iwas stating about my amp and other multi chanel amps in its class.

[quote="Short Hand":72153]Your just trying to sound like your a genius on the topic. Its frustrating, you just did it to Himmler now your trying to pull this bs on me. it ain't kool or 1337.[/quote:72153]

you never said that did you? mustve just slipped out....

and im not starting shit with you, i stated my opinion without saying anything about anyone in the movie thread, and you commented about it... making you the instigator of that argument.

your a fucking retard, you should have taken a clue in at exalt when everyone told you to die.

[quote="Short Hand":ccf28]its a A/B thats why ffs. is yours a D ? + my trunk itself heats from any where to 50 Celcius (not ferenheit), it even explains in the manual here that its not good to operate it at that level. rolleyes:[/quote:ccf28]
Mine is A/B aswell. If yours is A/B, are you sure its a monoblock and not a 2-channel that you bridged to 1-channel?

[quote=jujumantb]Infinty is iffy. Their component speakers are nothing special unless you like bleeding ears from their screaming highs.. ughh. Their Perfect line of subs is very good though. When you are talking about kicker's square subs, people usually say solobaric not "square blocks", just so you know :) And what line? L5 or L7?
What model rockford amps? $50 says they dont put out 2000 watts, and therefor, you should not refer to them as 2000 watts amps. And what the hell is "pre" 0 guage? I see you have infinty tweets, but what are you using for midbass/midrange? What are you crossing them over with? And what do you mean by reinforced glass and what does that have to do with your system? Unless you are doing 160dB's, you would never need reinforced glass. Learn to fiberglass yourself and you would save tons of money.[/quote:99880]

no they dont put out 2000 + watts, i know that, thats just the sticker label wattage, even though my 2200 GTX is labeled 1200 it puts out not that much , i know that. Please people Lets not go and deam me fucking retarded in the areas of car audio, ive installed tons of system, including my own. So lets not get started on this i know dick al bull shit. thats just fucking low.

[quote=jujumantb]Mine is A/B aswell. If yours is A/B, are you sure its a monoblock and not a 2-channel that you bridged to 1-channel?[/quote:11c92]

did i say it was a mono block ? / blah sorry. its a 2 channel/1 amo. my mistake. its currently running bridged blah" at 1. Its dedicated for the subs. If i said mono block back somewhere in the thread (my mistake). amp - XM 2200 GTX.

Shut the fuck up. happy:

[quote="Short Hand":b7334]your a fucking retard, you should have taken a clue in at exalt when everyone told you to die.[/quote:b7334] eek:

ive never gone to exalt, no desire to either.
but, i guess a completely false, and made up argument is better than none...

[quote="Short Hand":5ece9][quote=jujumantb]Infinty is iffy. Their component speakers are nothing special unless you like bleeding ears from their screaming highs.. ughh. Their Perfect line of subs is very good though. When you are talking about kicker's square subs, people usually say solobaric not "square blocks", just so you know :) And what line? L5 or L7?
What model rockford amps? $50 says they dont put out 2000 watts, and therefor, you should not refer to them as 2000 watts amps. And what the hell is "pre" 0 guage? I see you have infinty tweets, but what are you using for midbass/midrange? What are you crossing them over with? And what do you mean by reinforced glass and what does that have to do with your system? Unless you are doing 160dB's, you would never need reinforced glass. Learn to fiberglass yourself and you would save tons of money.[/quote:5ece9]

no they dont put out 2000 + watts, i know that, thats just the sticker label wattage, even though my 2200 GTX is labeled 1200 it puts out not that much , i know that. Please people Lets not go and deam me fucking retarded in the areas of car audio, ive installed tons of system, including my own. So lets not get started on this i know dick al bull shit. thats just fucking low.[/quote:5ece9]
I never said that, I just said I know more than you. I know that sound childish and all but I dont know how to put it nicely. I'm not saying it to demean you or anything, I just want you to take in what I'm saying. The last 3 years of my life has been audio. Car and home. When someone in the area needs a system put in or advice, they come to me for it. Again, not trying to sound conceded even though I probably do..