I know of what I am talking about nub. I have something in my head unlik you. rolleyes:

[quote="Short Hand":d656e]I know of what I am talking about nub. I have something in my head unlik you. rolleyes:[/quote:d656e]

LOL yes, sure. Whatever you say meat puppet

look back lev. I don't think you have ever made a post the exceeds more then 2 lines. All you do is ramble. rolleyes:


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Surely you can't be that dense to think that is what I was referring to. I was referring to the more liberal views that come out of Canada that are in more of an alignmnet with Kerry.
The next time you try to flame, try harder eek:

How about we bitch after the elections are over? So we can at least know for a fact that either side was right about how shitty or good their party was...if they win that is.

man, convenions are really nothin but hot air. the real test comes when you're in office and are tested by the public's opinion

If Kerry gets elected everyone will start bitching about how we're not living in a Utopia just like they do every president.

utopia is deserved for socialist thought, not democratic oOo:

[quote="Old Reliable":03a43]utopia is deserved for socialist thought, not democratic oOo:[/quote:03a43]

What the fuck?

there can never be a utopia with democracy and capitalism. someone always at the bottom, somebody always at the top

[quote="Old Reliable":9da6c]there can never be a utopia with democracy and capitalism. someone always at the bottom, somebody always at the top[/quote:9da6c]

No shit. I didn't mean that people will complain because everybody doesn't live perfect, and simple lives, I meant there'll always be something to bitch about. And those whiney liberals never shut the fuck up.

No Utopian society with a Socialist government, either. Since Socialism contains some core Capitalist beliefs.

The only theoretical way to a Utopian society would be through pure Communism as Marx had intended it. However, due to man's imperfection, we can never have a perfect society. And, according to the chaos theory, that which would allow us to be nearer to perfection in theory will be that which drives us further from it.

My brain hurts.

man's imperfection is theoretically created by capitalism though, so therefore the theory cannot be tested. under current circumstances. there were some utopian socialists, pretty radical thoughts that even marx himself rejected

man's imperfection is theoretically created by capitalism though, so therefore the theory cannot be tested. under current circumstances. there were some utopian socialists, pretty radical thoughts that even marx himself rejected

Well, the thing is that man is inherently imperfect. Nothing we do is perfect, because we are mathematically imprecise. We are unable to account for every possible scenario. And greed is what Marx cites as preventing us from a Utopian society.

Unfortunately, greed is not so easily confined to wealth and posession. There is also greed for another man's more beautiful wife, for instance.

yeah but in a perfect socialist society, the wealth and posessions will be equally distributed, everyone will have the best of everything, and things are not made to waste but made to people. i need to read marx's works............... ed:

I actually have had the honor of being able to read them in their original language. I'd read them in English previously, but they make a lot more sense when read in German.

At any rate, what I'm saying is that even if all sources of greed were eliminated (those being money and posession), man will inherently find something else to covet. These coveted things will be power, companionship, etc.

Doh, triple-post.

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Doh, triple-post.

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[quote="Old Reliable":6982a]yeah but in a perfect socialist society, the wealth and posessions will be equally distributed, everyone will have the best of everything, and things are not made to waste but made to people. i need to read marx's works............... ed:[/quote:6982a]

Wealth is a "relative" term. Under that system you would need everyone to accept that no matter how hard they work or dont work, they will get the same pay same benefits same goods same service. No reason to try or to excel. Quite frankly - you can have it.

um no, cause each person works at their own will, so basically there will be a demand for your goods, you produce and in turn other people produce for you. and also for people who don't want to work, they can move on to a nother trade where they are more specialised

[quote="Old Reliable":3ed01]um no, cause each person works at their own will, so basically there will be a demand for your goods, you produce and in turn other people produce for you. and also for people who don't want to work, they can move on to a nother trade where they are more specialised[/quote:3ed01]
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a perfect world is no suffering and no poverty. but that doesnt mean some arent well off more than others. its always been some persons drive to perform better or work harder than others and hard work should be rewarded. if everyone worked just as hard, there would be no wealth and no poverty, you would all be the same. if everyone was the same there would be no strive for progress or ambition. there would be no change and there would be no reason to get up in the morning.

This is where Jesus comes in...

John Kerry asshat man broke tradition by campaigning during the RNC, and gave an anti bush speach right sfter bushes speach, when he hadnt even seen bushes speach.

and that, my borthers, is why true communism will never work. it slows sown a scoiety's progress, until it eventually goes backwards.

i dont see how democracy is working either, but oooook oOo:

Democracy is obviously not working since we are the most wealthy and powerful nation in the world. oOo:

That time will cease to exist soon enough.

Yes, soon coming is the day when Canada shall rule the world with an iron baton in the hand of a Mounty.

Not Canada my bet. No Empire has ruled the world forever, and AMerica is not even an empire. So sooner or later, hopefully as later as possible, america won't be the superpower.

I enjoy being the country beside the superpower...a good life with none of the shit to deal with.

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[quote="Old Reliable":07b75]um no, cause each person works at their own will, so basically there will be a demand for your goods, you produce and in turn other people produce for you. and also for people who don't want to work, they can move on to a nother trade where they are more specialised[/quote:07b75]

That's a pretty optimistic and naive view. There will always be someone who will want to sit on their ass while someone else works. It's not a matter of what trade they like. It's just that some people are lazy fucks and won't pull their own weight.

haha, the success is only temporary. do we have a solution to the shortage of oil? and other natural resources? also when the environment goes to shit and bottled water is 10 dollars per bottle, whats going to happen? time to start living in the future

...............I don't even know how to respond to that. That doesn't even make sense.

Even if we were a bunch of Communists, we'd still run out of oil without the discovery of a viable alternative energy source. Same goes for all the other natural resources.

I'm assuming that you feel that this would not be the case because communism calls for equal distribution of resources, thereby eliminating mass consumption. But let's keep this in mind: with Communism, everyone will suddenly be given gasoline, even people who didn't have it prior. More people will have access to running water, etc etc.

Of course it makes sense. you're oblivious to the damage being done to the environment, so when you realise it then you can talk about it. anyways we're not talking about communism. no government seems to work for everyone

Fuck it, lets all just take cyanide capsules.

sounds like a plan. But first, we must buy Nike sneakers and live on offical grounds and mix stuff in our applesauce.