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CoMaToSe 09-01-2005 01:08 PM

why is this in politics and history oOo:

Mr.Buttocks 09-01-2005 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMaToSe
why is this in politics and history oOo:

They should add News/Current Events/Current Affairs or something like that to the title of this forum. Also, they should add "sexpartyzone".

TonyMontana 09-01-2005 02:14 PM

There's a sniper shooting at people that were evacuating from the charity hospital

CoMaToSe 09-01-2005 02:16 PM

[quote="Mr.Buttocks":b4007]
Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMaToSe
why is this in politics and history oOo:

They should add News/Current Events/Current Affairs or something like that to the title of this forum. Also, they should add "sexpartyzone".[/quote:b4007]
and bukkake/lemonparty

TonyMontana 09-01-2005 02:26 PM

Get this..

When they decided to remove the feeding tube from Terry Schiavo, congress was assembled on a sunday night on a holiday to pass a bill or whatever. It's been 5 days now, and congress hasn't even got together yet. Not until tomorrow.

I'm glad their priorities are straight

CoMaToSe 09-01-2005 02:28 PM

Please dont start arguing about terri schiavo. Yea, congress needs to get its shit together, but thats alweays been true.

TonyMontana 09-01-2005 02:31 PM

I'm just using Schiavo as a comparison. 1 person compared to hundreds of thousands of people in trouble.

CoMaToSe 09-01-2005 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyMontana
I'm just using Schiavo as a comparison. 1 person compared to hundreds of thousands of people in trouble.

I know. It was a preemptive against Pyri and short schwartz

Stammer 09-01-2005 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMaToSe
Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyMontana
I'm just using Schiavo as a comparison. 1 person compared to hundreds of thousands of people in trouble.

I know. It was a preemptive against Pyri and short schwartz

Now your making it one...

Anyway thats wild Tony I didn't even think about that.

[DAS REICH] Blitz 09-01-2005 07:56 PM

move it back to OffTopic!

Milla 09-01-2005 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stammer
Quote:

Originally Posted by coubLacka
its gatorland there isnt it? surprised there havnt been stories of gator attacks.

I've heard stories of people dying from snake bites and shit, the whole area is really fucked up.

Its makes me disgraced to be an american, all the people looting and shit and raping people. The Marines are going in, its gonna be Marshall Law. I say if anyone is caught looting or holding a weapon gets a bullet in the chest.

Jin-Roh 09-01-2005 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milla
Its makes me disgraced to be an american, all the people looting and shit and raping people. The Marines are going in, its gonna be Marshall Law. I say if anyone is caught looting or holding a weapon gets a bullet in the chest.

rock:

TGB! 09-01-2005 09:04 PM

[quote:f1442]I'm glad their priorities are straight[/quote:f1442]

There already are measures put into place that the President - who would have to sign off on anything Congress passes - is doing.

So - other than passing a resolution of "support" - what exactly should the US Congress be doing?

Jin-Roh 09-01-2005 09:42 PM

[quote="TGB!":45b5c]what exactly should the US Congress be doing?[/b][/color][/quote:45b5c]

Pouring more money to the relief fund?? =\

Merlin122 09-01-2005 09:52 PM

on CNN the place looks like a mad max movie. Theres footage of a group of officers holed up in a gun shop trying to get away from the crazies. It looks like something out of dawn of the dead.

Madmartagen 09-01-2005 10:20 PM

wtf i havent watched the news because all they cover is the sob stories, i didnt know there were rapings, lootings and all that other kind of shit going on.

ninty 09-01-2005 10:20 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/hurricane_katrina

[quote:b9a12]NEW ORLEANS - New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out, cops turned in their badges and the governor declared war on looters who have made the city a menacing landscape of disorder and fear.

"They have M-16s and they're locked and loaded," Gov. Kathleen Blanco said of 300 National Guard troops who landed in New Orleans fresh from duty in
Iraq. "These troops know how to shoot and kill, and they are more than willing to do so, and I expect they will."

Four days after Hurricane Katrina roared in with a devastating blow that inflicted potentially thousands of deaths, the fear, anger and violence mounted Thursday.

"I'm not sure I'm going to get out of here alive," said Canadian tourist Larry Mitzel, who handed a reporter his business card in case he goes missing. "I'm scared of riots. I'm scared of the locals. We might get caught in the crossfire."

The chaos deepened despite the promise of 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to stop the looting, plans for a $10 billion recovery bill in Congress and a government relief effort
President Bush called the biggest in U.S. history.

New Orleans' top emergency management official called that effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly lawless city.

About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans convention center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead. Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.

"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."

Col. Henry Whitehorn, chief of the Louisiana State Police, said he heard of numerous instances of New Orleans police officers — many of whom from flooded areas — turning in their badges.

"They indicated that they had lost everything and didn't feel that it was worth them going back to take fire from looters and losing their lives," Whitehorn said.

A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.

In hopes of defusing the situation at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they could find. But the bedlam made that difficult.

"This is a desperate SOS," Nagin said in a statement. "Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses."

At least seven bodies were scattered outside the convention center, a makeshift staging area for those rescued from rooftops, attics and highways. The sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement.

An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.

"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair.

"You can do everything for other countries, but you can't do nothing for your own people," he added. "You can go overseas with the military, but you can't get them down here."

The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.

"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said. "They're telling us they're going to come get us one day, and then they don't show up."

Every so often, an armored state police vehicle cruised in front of the convention center with four or five officers in riot gear with automatic weapons. But there was no sign of help from the National Guard.

At one point the crowd began to chant "We want help! We want help!" Later, a woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm, "The Lord is my shepherd ..."

"We are out here like pure animals," the Issac Clark said.

"We've got people dying out here — two babies have died, a woman died, a man died," said Helen Cheek. "We haven't had no food, we haven't had no water, we haven't had nothing. They just brought us here and dropped us."

Tourist Debbie Durso of Washington, Mich., said she asked a police officer for assistance and his response was, "'Go to hell — it's every man for himself.'"

"This is just insanity," she said. "We have no food, no water ... all these trucks and buses go by and they do nothing but wave."

FEMA director Michael Brown said the agency just learned about the situation at the convention center Thursday and quickly scrambled to provide food, water and medical care and remove the corpses.

Speaking on CNN's "Larry King Live,"
Homeland Security Secretary
Michael Chertoff said the evacuation of New Orleans should be completed by the end of the weekend.

At the hot and stinking Superdome, where 30,000 were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, fistfights and fires erupted amid a seething sea of tense, suffering people who waited in a lines that stretched a half-mile to board yellow school buses.

After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally did show up, with a group of refugees breaking through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen.

One military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle, police Capt. Ernie Demmo said. The man was arrested.

Some of those among the mostly poor crowd had been in the dome for four days without air conditioning, working toilets or a place to bathe. An ambulance service airlifting the sick and injured out of the Superdome suspended flights as too dangerous after it was reported that a bullet was fired at a military helicopter.

"If they're just taking us anywhere, just anywhere, I say praise God," said refugee John Phillip. "Nothing could be worse than what we've been through."

By Thursday evening, 11 hours after the military began evacuating the Superdome, the arena held 10,000 more people than it did at dawn. National Guard Capt. John Pollard said evacuees from around the city poured into the Superdome and swelled the crowd to about 30,000 because they believed the arena was the best place to get a ride out of town.

As he watched a line snaking for blocks through ankle-deep waters, New Orleans' emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert blamed the inadequate response on the
Federal Emergency Management Agency.

"This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy," he said. He added: "We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."

FEMA officials said some operations had to be suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, but are working overtime to feed people and restore order.

A day after Nagin took 1,500 police officers off search-and-rescue duty to try to restore order in the streets, there were continued reports of looting, shootings, gunfire and carjackings — and not all the crimes were driven by greed.

When some hospitals try to airlift patients, Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan said, "there are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, `You better come get my family.'"

Outside a looted Rite-Aid drugstore, some people were anxious to show they needed what they were taking. A gray-haired man who would not give his name pulled up his T-shirt to show a surgery scar and explained that he needs pads for incontinence.

"I'm a Christian. I feel bad going in there," he said.

Earl Baker carried toothpaste, toothbrushes and deodorant. "Look, I'm only getting necessities," he said. "All of this is personal hygiene. I ain't getting nothing to get drunk or high with."

Several thousand storm victims had arrived in Houston by Thursday night, and they quickly got hot meals, showers and some much-needed rest.

Audree Lee, 37, was thrilled after getting a shower and hearing her teenage daughter's voice on the telephone for the first time since the storm. Lee had relatives take her daughter to Alabama so she would be safe.

"I just cried. She cried. We cried together," Lee said. "She asked me about her dog. They wouldn't let me take her dog with me. ... I know the dog is gone now."

While floodwaters in the city appeared to stabilize, efforts continued to plug three breaches that had opened up in the levee system that protects this below-sea-level city.

Helicopters dropped sandbags into the breach and pilings were being pounded into the mouth of the canal Thursday to close its connection to Lake Pontchartrain, state Transportation Secretary Johnny Bradberry said. The next step called for using about 250 concrete road barriers to seal the gap.

In Washington, the White House said Bush will tour the devastated Gulf Coast region on Friday and has asked his father, former President George H.W. Bush, and former
President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims.

The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.

"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this — whether it be looting, or price gouging at the gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."

Donald Dudley, a 55-year-old New Orleans seafood merchant, complained that when he and other hungry refugees broke into the kitchen of the convention center and tried to prepare food, the National Guard chased them away.

"They pulled guns and told us we had to leave that kitchen or they would blow our damn brains out," he said. "We don't want their help. Give us some vehicles and we'll get ourselves out of here!" [/quote:b9a12]

[DAS REICH] Blitz 09-01-2005 11:21 PM

photo of looters in action

[url:63393]http://katrinaninja.ytmnd.com/[/url:63393]

Short Hand 09-01-2005 11:24 PM

New Orleans is sinking... ed:

Judas 09-02-2005 12:01 AM

LOL @ the looters. id loot like fuk too ...

its kind of cold around here ...

Judas 09-02-2005 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milla
[quote:dd9f3]The sympathy was muted in some corners by a sense that the United States reaped what it sowed, since the country is seen as the main contributor to global warming.

I hate people.[/quote:dd9f3]LOL

i see some truth in that ...

Madmartagen 09-02-2005 12:09 AM

ffs if youre gonna loot, get some food and water, not a bunch of fuckin jerseys stupid:

Colonel 09-02-2005 08:16 AM

I still say that if they shot the looters and thugs that are causing the most trouble they could reduce crime in New Orleans (once the city is back on its feet) but 75%. The guys that are roming around like gangs, trying to break into the Cheildren's Hospital, shooting at Docotors that are tyring to get in to help people, etc. are probably the same thugs that commit most of the crime in the Big Easy.

I can understand folks needing food, water and even clothing (if I had to have a clean shirt that didn't have sewage water on it, I might go for a jersey too) but the general lawlessness has got to stop. They can't get the relief they need because aid workers are too scared to go in there are being shot at.

Vance 09-02-2005 09:20 AM

Too bad this couldn't have happened to a town that ISN'T morally inept. eek:

[DAS REICH] Blitz 09-02-2005 10:41 AM

This reminds me of GTA: SA near the end when everone loots the town. You would think that a game like that would be pushing it, but not when it actually happens in the United States.

1080jibber 09-02-2005 10:55 AM

keep the place flooded and teach them all a lesson

TonyMontana 09-02-2005 11:43 AM

they are able to drop these 3000lb sandbags to try and fix the levee, i haven't heard anything about dropping food/water to the major areas of people. Now i know doing that could potentially cause major stampede's and people going crazy for the food, but I've seen food/water get to places in Africa faster than here

Colonel 09-02-2005 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyMontana
they are able to drop these 3000lb sandbags to try and fix the levee, i haven't heard anything about dropping food/water to the major areas of people. Now i know doing that could potentially cause major stampede's and people going crazy for the food, but I've seen food/water get to places in Africa faster than here

I read an article this morning that had a picture of a helicopter trying to land to bring in supplies. The people rushed the chopper to the point he was not able to land and the crew had to toss the water out at the people from ten feet overhead. Other relief helicopters have reported being shot at. Strange.

TonyMontana 09-02-2005 11:49 AM

I can't believe this is happening. One of those things you would never think would happen. Shooting at relief planes oOo: But I'm not really surprised considering "snipers" were shooting at random people being evacuated from a hospital

Ferich 09-02-2005 11:52 AM

Hard to believe you'd want to fire rifles at a relief helicopter. I can't think of a rational motive other than trying to get the choppers attention for help.

TonyMontana 09-02-2005 11:55 AM

This just in: A massive ass cavalry of cargo trucks are on their way to the convention centre with food.

Mr.Buttocks 09-02-2005 11:57 AM

Thems blacks folks just gunna have ta wait.

Ferich 09-02-2005 11:57 AM

I saw on CNN a header that said "CONVOY TO ARRIVE AT CONVENTION CENTER IN 30 MINS" - that was a few hours ago.

ninty 09-02-2005 05:07 PM

Things are getting quite fucked up.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4207202.stm

http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/co ... 10,00.html

I really doint understand this shoot to kill thing. Why would they send troops from Iraq home to patrol streets? Why not use some other national guard? I'm sure there are even some reg force components that could be sent that have been to iraq and know what their doing.

And why would people shoot at rescue hellicopters? It makes no sense at all. None whatsoever.

Why isn't rescuing people the main priority?

Jin-Roh 09-02-2005 05:10 PM

Don't know who it was... but a senator I think mentioned that we should just leave the city alone, and not rebuild it. oOo:

ninty 09-02-2005 05:14 PM

http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules ... e&sid=2388

This is fucked up also:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/31/235829/261

New Orleans Mayor:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news_w ... 6x9_bb.asx

Coleman 09-02-2005 05:20 PM

...fuck...

ninty 09-02-2005 05:52 PM

"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205

A couple other things I have been reading is that Katrina didn't directly hit New Orleans, and soon after it came ashore, it dropped to a category two storm. Strange.

Mr.Buttocks 09-02-2005 06:41 PM

http://alt.ngs.noaa.gov/katrina/089I30C_KATRINA.HTM

ninty 09-03-2005 11:37 AM

[quote:d6c04]
Geraldo Rivera and Shepard Smith are reporting that the authorities have just locked everyone in the Convention Center with no escape, and a checkpoint is stopping people from leaving New Orleans. They set up a check point at the bottom of the bridge out of New Orleans, it's the only way out, per Shep Smith, and if you go the checkpoint they turn you around and send you back to New Orleans. Jesus.

Geraldo started crying in the convention center on camera. Shep Smith is going nuts. And then Hannity tries to defend Bush and the government and Shep and Geraldo will have nothing of it. My God, every FOX News viewer just watched this this evening. FOX's own anchors saying the entire federal relief effort is a fiasco. Geraldo is holding a ten month old baby in his arms, who's also trapped in the convention center, he then started chanting "let them go, let them out of here."

OMG. This is an absolute disaster.

Bush needs to finally start acting like the president and accept that the buck stops at his desk. It's time for Bush to step aside and let someone competent handle this crisis before anyone else dies. [/quote:d6c04]

http://www.globalnewsmatrix.com/modules ... e&sid=2401

[quote:d6c04]National Guard not allowing aid into the city
by SB Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 1:11 AM

National guard not allowing aid into the city

From http://getyouracton.com.
I am copying the information from the site about this. Just posted at 9:00PM

Get Your Act On! (Jeffrey and Andrea) are currently in Waco, TX. We are organizing a relief effort to bring much needed supplies directly into the City of New Orleans as almost NOTHING is getting in via 'official' channels (we have spoken to people still in the city).

Our house is still standing and should be relatively free of flood waters by now, so it will be used as a base for relief efforts as we are just 6 blocks from the lower 9th ward, one of the hardest hit neighborhoods. We will be purchasing a van or getting a large UHaul, filling it with supplies and driving it back to New Orleans.

If you can donate to our relief effort, please do so via this paypal link. If you do not wish to donate money directly, if you would like to purchase supplies that we can pick up (ie, from Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart), that would be great. A lot more info about our effort will be posted here by tonight as we get more details together. We can be reached via call at 254.640.8441 (Andrea) or 254.640.8442 (Jeffrey)

7:15PM Thurs Sept. 1 Update: It looks like the most economical thing to do is purchase a large van - we should be able to do this for $1000-$2000. If anyone has connections to people in the position to make a good sized donation, please ask them if they can help with this. Thanks!


9:30PM Thurs Sept 1. Update: Please help spread this message:

There are supplies sitting in Baton Rouge for the folks in New Orleans, but the National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out. They are turning away people with supplies, claiming it is too dangerous. If we have planes that can drop bombs on people in Iraq, certianly we can air drop supplies into the city. Our goverment is KILLING the people of New Orleans. This is the message I am now sending to all major media sources, national and worldwide, as well as posting to email lists, blogs, etc. The story is getting out that the people there are not getting supplies, but the truth of WHY is not. Please help spread the word, we must get this story out. Please so not let any more of my friends die.

I can be reached at 254.640.8441 - feel free to call me or give my number to any media that needs a contact person to talk to.

Here is my message:

I am a resident of the Bywater in New Orleans (9th Ward). I am one of the lucky ones that was able to evacuate before the storm.

I have recently managed to speak to some friends stranded in New Orleans. They are starving and dehydrating and there is no news of when they will be receiving food and water. I have spoken to relief efforts and understand that there are plenty of supplies waiting for these people, BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING ALLOWED INTO THE CITY.

The National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out, except the buses being evacuated. The excuse that they can not bring supplies into New Orleans because of the looting and gun fire is not a valid excuse - if they are too afraid to enter the streets of New Orleans, they need to be air dropping supplies into the city. If the United States is capable of sending planes that can withstand enemy fire to drop bombs in Iraq, certainly they are capable of air dropping supplies into a city where the worst of the gunfire they could encouter would be from semi-automatics.

Our government is killing the people of New Orleans. By witholding supplies, they are ensuring more deaths, and I hold them complicit.

Please bring this matter to the attention of the people of the United States. They need to know that New Orleans is deliberatly being denied food and water. Perhaps if the people there had food and water, they might not be shooting off guns.

Please feel free to call me for further information or with any questions. I appreciate your attention to this most serious matter.

I fear for my friends.

Sincerely,

Andrea Garland
Get Your Act On! (getyouracton.com)

On another note, Jeffrey and I are in the process of getting a large vehicle and loading it up with donated supplies needed for longer term cleanup efforts (generators, chain saws, solar cooking equipment, etc.). Some basic info and a paypal link is at Get Your Act On!(getyouracton.com) and more detailed info will be posted later. Please help spread the word about this, as well. We live 6 blocks from one of the hardest hit areas in New Orleans, so we intend to bring these necessary tools to our neighbors.

Also heard that part of the reason our house flooded is they dynamited part of the levee after the first section broke - they did this to prevent Uptown (the rich part of town) from being flooded. Apparently they used too much dynamite, thus flooding part of the Bywater. So now I know who is responsible for flooding my house - not Katrina, but our government.[/quote:d6c04]

[quote:d6c04]Homeland Security won't let Red Cross deliver food
Posted on Saturday, September 03 @ 09:29:40 EDT by Lisa

National

Saturday, September 03, 2005

By Ann Rodgers, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

As the National Guard delivered food to the New Orleans convention center yesterday, American Red Cross officials said that federal emergency management authorities would not allow them to do the same.

Other relief agencies say the area is so damaged and dangerous that they doubted they could conduct mass feeding there now.

"The Homeland Security Department has requested and continues to request that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans," said Renita Hosler, spokeswoman for the Red Cross.

"Right now access is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities. We have been at the table every single day [asking for access]. We cannot get into New Orleans against their orders."

Calls to the Department of Homeland Security and its subagency, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, were not returned yesterday.

Though frustrated, Hosler understood the reasons. The goal is to move people out of an uninhabitable city, and relief operations might keep them there. Security is so bad that she fears feeding stations might get ransacked.

"It's not about fault and blame right now. The situation is like an hourglass, and we are in the smallest part right now. Everything is trying to get through it," she said. "They're trying to help people get out."

Obstacles in downtown New Orleans have stymied rescuers who got there. The Salvation Army has two of its officers trapped with more than 200 people -- three requiring dialysis -- in its own downtown building. They were alerted by a 30-second plea for food and water before the phone went dead.

On Wednesday, The Salvation Army rented three boats for a rescue operation. They knew the situation was desperate, and that their own people were inside, said Maj. Donna Hood, associate director of development for the Army.

"The boats couldn't get through," she said. Although she doesn't know the details, she believes huge debris and electrical wires made passage impossible.

"We have 51 emergency canteens on the ground in the other affected areas. But where the need is greatest, in downtown New Orleans, there just is no access. That is the problem every relief group is facing," she said.

"America is obviously going to have to rethink disaster relief," said Jim Burton, director of volunteer mobilization for the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention.

The Southern Baptists, who work under the Red Cross logo, are one of the largest, best-equipped providers of volunteer disaster relief in the United States. Most hot meals for disaster victims are cooked by Southern Baptist mobile kitchen units. Burton is a veteran of many hurricanes.

"Right now everybody is looking at FEMA and pointing fingers. Frankly, I have to tell you, I'm sympathetic. When in your lifetime have we experienced this? Even though we all do disaster scenario planning, we have to accept the reality that this is an extraordinary event. This is America's tsunami, that struck and ravaged America's most disaster-vulnerable city," he said.

Because New Orleans remains under water, it is different from other cities where Katrina struck harder, but where relief efforts are proceeding normally. Agencies place workers and supplies outside disaster areas before storms, to move in quickly. But there are always delays, Burton said, because nothing is deployed until experts survey the damage and decide where to most effectively put relief services.

The Southern Baptists operate more than 30 mobile kitchens that can each produce 5,000 to 25,000 meals daily, as well as mobile showers and communications trucks equipped with ham radios and cell phones. They are supporting refugee centers in Texas and Tennessee, and doing relief in Mississippi and Alabama. They have placed mobile kitchens around New Orleans to feed people as they come out.

Initially they tried to drive a tractor-trailer kitchen into New Orleans from Tennessee. It was stopped by the Mississippi Highway Patrol because the causeway it would have to cross had been destroyed, Burton said.

His agency has planned for missing bridges. The Southern Baptists' worst-case planning is for reaching Memphis after an earthquake on the New Madrid fault, which in 1812 whiplashed at a stone-crushing 8.1 on the Richter scale. Burton envisions the Mississippi without bridges.

So when state and local Southern Baptists raise money to build a mobile kitchen, he tells them to design it to be hoisted in by helicopter.

After Katrina, he thought he would have to airlift a feeding unit to one isolated town, but a road was cleared, he said. He doubts that dropping a kitchen into the New Orleans' poisoned waters, filled with raw sewage, dead bodies and possible industrial contaminants, would do any good. It made sense to prepare meals outside the area and truck them in or bring people out.

"The most important thing is to get the people out of that environment," he said.

He expects unusual problems to continue, because victims of Katrina flooding will need emergency food for far longer than the usual week or so. He's planning on at least two months.

Like the military, relief work requires a supply chain. Because business management favors just-in-time inventory, rather than stockpiling goods in warehouses, there isn't a huge stock of food to draw on, he said.

"When you go into a local area, it doesn't take long to wipe out the local food inventories," he said.

The Red Cross serves pre-packaged food, including self-heating "HeaterMeals" and snacks, that require no preparation. Yesterday the Red Cross was running evacuation shelters in 16 states, and on Thursday, the last day for which totals were available, served 170,000 meals and snacks in 24 hours.

While emergency shelters typically empty out days after a hurricane or other natural disaster, in Katrina's case they are becoming more crowded, Hosler said. People who had evacuated to the homes of relatives or hotels are moving in because they're out of money or want to be closer to what is left of their homes. [/quote:d6c04]
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05246/565143.stm

[quote:d6c04]Troops begin combat operations in New Orleans

By Joseph R. Chenelly
Times staff writer

NEW ORLEANS — Combat operations are underway on the streets “to take this city back” in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

“This place is going to look like Little Somalia,” Brig. Gen. Gary Jones, commander of the Louisiana National Guard’s Joint Task Force told Army Times Friday as hundreds of armed troops under his charge prepared to launch a massive citywide security mission from a staging area outside the Louisiana Superdome. “We’re going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control.”

Jones said the military first needs to establish security throughout the city. Military and police officials have said there are several large areas of the city are in a full state of anarchy.

Dozens of military trucks and up-armored Humvees left the staging area just after 11 a.m. Friday, while hundreds more troops arrived at the same staging area in the city via Black Hawk and Chinook helicopters.

“We’re here to do whatever they need us to do,” Sgt. 1st Class Ron Dixon, of the Oklahoma National Guard’s 1345th Transportation Company. “We packed to stay as long as it takes.”

While some fight the insurgency in the city, other carry on with rescue and evacuation operations. Helicopters are still pulling hundreds of stranded people from rooftops of flooded homes.

Army, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, Coast Guard and police helicopters filled the city sky Friday morning. Most had armed soldiers manning the doors. According to Petty Officer 3rd Class Jeremy Grishamn, a spokesman for the amphibious assault ship Bataan, the vessel kept its helicopters at sea Thursday night after several military helicopters reported being shot at from the ground.

Numerous soldiers also told Army Times that they have been shot at by armed civilians in New Orleans. Spokesmen for the Joint Task Force Headquarters at the Superdome were unaware of any servicemen being wounded in the streets, although one soldier is recovering from a gunshot wound sustained during a struggle with a civilian in the dome Wednesday night.

“I never thought that at a National Guardsman I would be shot at by other Americans,” said Spc. Philip Baccus of the 527th Engineer Battalion. “And I never thought I’d have to carry a rifle when on a hurricane relief mission. This is a disgrace.”

Spc. Cliff Ferguson of the 527th Engineer Battalion pointed out that he knows there are plenty of decent people in New Orleans, but he said it is hard to stay motivated considering the circumstances.

“This is making a lot of us think about not reenlisting.” Ferguson said. “You have to think about whether it is worth risking your neck for someone who will turn around and shoot at you. We didn’t come here to fight a war. We came here to help.”[/quote:d6c04]
http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1- ... 077495.php

It's a good thing Cheney conjured up that martial law plan!


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