Whats a bigger threat? Saddam createing Nukes secritly and really wants to use them or North Korea telling the world I have them so dont piss me off.

[quote="Colonel Klink":5a666]Whats a bigger threat? Saddam createing Nukes secritly and really wants to use them.[/quote:5a666]
And where is this coming from? You can read the mind of a man living 8,000 miles away?

Kim is running a nation that is falling apart. With the help with Carter and Clinton. He has the matrials to create a nuke. He knows its stupid to atttack the US with a nuke. So hes gona use it for black mail. Saddam want the weapon. Do you know why? Saddam has a very big ego. He believes hes the next Saladin of the middle east. That he wants the Arab world under one banner to get rid of the West and Israel. Thats why Saddam is more a threat.

[quote="Colonel Klink":e1dcd]Kim is running a nation that is falling apart. With the help with Carter and Clinton. He has the matrials to create a nuke. He knows its stupid to atttack the US with a nuke. So hes gona use it for black mail. Saddam want the weapon. Do you know why? Saddam has a very big ego. He believes hes the next Saladin of the middle east. That he wants the Arab world under one banner to get rid of the West and Israel. Thats why Saddam is more a threat.[/quote:e1dcd]

Yes, but then you have the boy king with thousands of nukes who wants to expand his borders and veil it as a crusade against evil.

We are not creating imperialism. We have a sovgren right to protect our intrests and our intrest of our allies.

[quote="Colonel Klink":1ae34]We are not creating imperialism. We have a sovgren right to protect our intrests and our intrest of our allies.[/quote:1ae34]
You do not create imperialism, you are. You are not protecting anything, you are actually attacking an picking fights with others. You are your own enemy.

[quote="Colonel Klink":2801e]Kim is running a nation that is falling apart. With the help with Carter and Clinton. He has the matrials to create a nuke. He knows its stupid to atttack the US with a nuke. So hes gona use it for black mail. Saddam want the weapon. Do you know why? Saddam has a very big ego. He believes hes the next Saladin of the middle east. That he wants the Arab world under one banner to get rid of the West and Israel. Thats why Saddam is more a threat.[/quote:2801e]
Big ego?! Once again...
And where is this coming from? You can read the mind of a man living 8,000 miles away?

Please use this cheat sheet:

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Glenn’s outline on how to explain the upcoming Iraqi war to all the pinheads!

1. We should send more inspectors!

- Analogize it to your kid caught smoking weed, who denies everything and is defensive and accusatory. At what point do you actually punish the child for smoking weed? Do you just keep hiring babysitters ad nauseam to watch over him? At some point you have to lay down the law and Mean What You Say.

2. There is always time for war: this should be a time for peace and we need more time.

- 12 years is not enough time? How much more time do you need?

- Negotiating and Contracts require a meeting of the minds where both parties come to the table with clean hands. We cannot trust Saddam, he is a proven liar, so it is impossible to work with him.

- Cameras and Inspectors were in North Korea. We waited for them to get in line, and what did it get us? Nukes right up in our face. Do we really want to do this again?

- (See also: Chamberlain, Neville and the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact [Nazi-Russian non aggression pact])

3. They weren’t in involved in 9-11!

- We’re not fighting a war against 9-11, this is a war on International Terror, of which 9-11 was only an example. He funds suicide bomber campaigns in Israel, which has been proven.

4. Saddam is only a threat to his own people - Only a threat to his neighbors.

- Sure he is maiming and killing his people, but then Hitler only killed his own Jews.

- Israel is a neighbor, you don’t dismiss her. Saddam funds the suicide bombers that kill Israelis regularly.

- Light of the Arabs, “The sword of Islam” – Saddam is rebuilding Babylon a la Nebuchadnezzar and is trying to unite the “Arab World”. How do you unite the Arab world? Bring them against their common enemy Israel. Also think about this: is radical Islam only a threat to the neighbors or can it easily come over here?

5. Israel gets WMD, we have WMD, we used them, why can’t Saddam have them?

- First ask: Are nuclear weapons ever an appropriate option?

- Yes: Consider World War 2 – the use of Atomic weapons in Japan brought an immediate end to a bloody and costly campaign. Lives were saved by doing so.

- No: This position is against world opinion: Many “sane” and non-belligerent nations have WMD, and nobody thinks this is a problem. We are trying to stop a maniac from getting them and using them.

- As for Israel, they are constantly threatened by belligerent states: they should have them, and further they haven’t used them, and oh yeah there isn’t a stack of binding resolutions against Israel.

6. We’re all alone – we need the world!

- And the world we shall have: 68% of Americans support war as compared to 41% for the earlier conflict.

- This time we have a bigger coalition than last time:
the only thing that stands in our way is the French and Germans

- Last week alone 8 more additions to the roster

- Yesterday: 10 more. Former Iron Curtain states at that.

7. Its only about oil!

Two responses:

- Analyze who is going to gain from the oil glut on the market. Wait a minute... if there is a huge glut on the market, Supply/Demand logic means the oil prices will plummet. Bush and his cronies in the oil world will take a substantial hit.

- “No war, for oil.” I will insure there is no war, you give me the oil. France, et al., have contracts with Iraq: they stand to lose billions if Saddam is removed.

8. The evidence is made up!

- Those who refuse to believe the credibility of the US are immune to logic. If they doubt US credibility, they cannot be reasoned with. However, the US is not the sole source of the evidence: some of it came from Iraq itself. Why not go to the source?

9. We gave them weapons in the 80’s!

- In American criminal law, the seller of the gun is almost always not criminally liable for murder. Remember one of the basic rules of international politics: “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Alliances exist until they are no longer politically tenable.

10. This is the first ever preemptive strike!

- This is not a pre emptive strike, but a resumption of hostilities. The first Gulf war 1 ended in a cease fire. Under certain conditions, we stopped bombing Iraq. However, as Iraq has failed its UN obligations, we have intermittently resumed bombing in the last decade or so with impunity. Therefore this would just be picking up where we left off.

11. The Bush Doctrine/War on Terror is only a theory.

- Theories are unproved hypotheses. Gravity started as a theory, but now it is a law because it has been applied and proven. This doctrine/war is not a theory because it is being applied, and it is having results in disrupting terrorist operations. So it is not hypothetical anymore. (Remember, this is still the gulf war, which never stopped. See 10.)

12. But nobody inspects America?

- This is Completely False: See the Strategic Arms Limitations Treaty and the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, SALT and START, respectively require constant verification of our nuclear/biological stockpile. (note: the most drastic nuclear reduction in America occurred under Bush Sr) (See also Cold Dawn: The Story of Salt by John Newhouse and The nuclear non-proliferation regime : prospects for the 21st century by Thomas, Raju G. C.)

13. Iraq’s weapons are not very effective anyway.

- See Iraq’s statements from early 1990 detailing VX gas, Anthrax. See also images of practice spraying with Mirage Jet from yesterday.


Pinhead calls in:

- Jesus was surrounded by evil and never killed anyone: yes. but we’re not the Son of God. Also, God tells us repeatedly in the Bible to fight.

- The only experience George Bush has with kill people is the Death Penalty: Walk away since it is Bush Bashing here. These people cannot be reasoned with.

- Draft age children: You’re not willing to die for anything, and you want someone else to do it for you. Pure selfishness


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[quote="Recycled Spooge":ebe3c] Big ego?! Once again...
And where is this coming from? You can read the mind of a man living 8,000 miles away?[/quote:ebe3c]

Have you ever watch the History Channel, Biography Channel, or the book written by Saddam's bomb maker?

DAMN NO EDIT BUTTON!

the source of cheat sheet: http://www.glennbeck.com/news/02072003.htm

I'm more afraid of the Koreans, if they take us over we will have to eat kimchi.....have you ever smelled that shit? ed:

yeah, i saw that show, a bunch of defectors had to escape over here cause they were being totured, he was torturing his own scientists and soldiers.

take us over? taiwan could take that country with a single bombers and a few fighters

Evidence once again, that sarcasm cannot be "read" over the internet.

[quote="Sgt Stryker":4fd56]resorting to insults shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
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And if thats all you have to say in response to anything regarding Iraq you dont know anything either. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again, I still have'nt seen any reason from any of those who oppose action against Saddam why we should'nt go. He's killed thousands of innocent people, used western hostages (children mind you) as human shields so the US wouldnt bomb him, gassed the Kurds, used chemical weapons against Iran and his own soldiers, rules with an iron fist and has anyone opposing him, not in hiding shot, has and is developing chemical and biological weapons and is willing to use them. There is no other way to get rid of a person like this BUT hostility and war. Any other way you suggest is pure fantasy.

The majority of people will support war if the UN give the go ahead, that not good enough for you ? Even after Saddam has fucked the UN around for the past 12 years ? Give me a break. It's time for him to be dealt with severely.

On the Kosovo front:

I distinctly remember seeing quite a few disturbing images on TV about the ethnic cleansing over there, basically like the Jews were treated in WW2, starved, beaten, lined up against walls and shot. There were graves found.....

[url:4fd56]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/368524.stm[/url:4fd56]

Just one of the many news pieces related to this issue, ofcourse there were conflicting views, but it still narrows down to same bunch of assholes, and still the fact that mass graves were found. I've read so many accounts about this that I find it offensive that you would even think that atrocities never happened over there, both from the Serbs and unfortunately by NATO with their pathetic bombing campaign. I've read accounts from British SAS troops who were over there, US troops, Dutch, and some Aussie soldiers who were over there, and they saw some pretty fucked up shit. I dont know where you got your info from pal, but it's full of shit. Hell, what about the accounts of Serb snipers shooting civilians in the streets....I've seen pictures, and it fucking happened.

And the reason I insulted you ? Because I dont like you, thats why.