TGB...how do you take gays getting married and turn it into Christian censorship? I must be sub-human or somthing becuase I'm not making that connection. I don't see gays getting married as a muzzle for the Christian Right in fact I think it will make them speak up even more.

I understand what they are saying. That somehow the gays right to practice or not practice religion has been trampled on by the passage of this law. SORRY Two gay guys can still go to a lawyer and draw up power of attorneys, provide economic support for one another, name each other beneficiary of any insurance policies, hell one of them can even take the others last name. And if the relationship sours later, all it takes is a call to the lawyer to break it up. All the advantages to a marriage can already be provided within the laws of the State of Kansas right now. The laws and regulations governing marriage, in the State of Kansas, are long and boring to read, but always included "the union between a man and a woman".

johnj,
1) Definitions change with time.
2) Ur still missing the fact that marriage is a right that cannot be denied.
3) So, from wat uve said, there is absolutely no reason for anybody to get married...

1. That definition hasn't changed yet.

2. Marriage is not a right. It is an obligation. Basically it's a contract between a man and a woman where the man agrees to pay to support the woman and the offspring.

3. They don't ask me to any family weddings anymore because I always tell the groom that if he runs long and hard he might escape.

[quote="TGB!":24209][quote:24209]Which is unfair to those that are of any other religion, or of no religion, like many gay people are.[/quote:24209]

So better to deny folks their right to free speech than for them to deny you your right to have the state recognize your desire to sodomize. . .

Fabbo system. . .[/quote:24209]

err....maybe I came into the thread a bit late.

I didn't know christians were being denied free speech....What happened?

My GOD !. I don't see what the fuss is all about when it comes to gay marriage.

This all stems from a homophobic fear. This is 2005. NOT 2347 BC. If it bugs you to see a man join with another man or a women with another women, in all their love ...... then something has to be up. This is not a vendetta the gay population has against you. They only want one thing..... TO be aloud to marry the one they love, like you have the right to marry you spouse of the opposite sex. The only thing that can be seen in any of you against such a harmless idea is that of homophobia. You have a inner dislike for gays and seeing them as having an eqaul right to one such as yourself hurts. Well guess what.......? GET THE FUCK OVER IT, because I tell you this. One day we will look back on this struggle the same way we look back on women's rights and black rights. You can look on your decision and tell your children, or your grandchildren of your actions. annoy:

So how do we figure out who the bitch is?

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the one with the gay voice.

no one is being denied free speech, whats going on here?

[quote="Short Hand":4001d]My GOD !. I don't see what the fuss is all about when it comes to gay marriage.

This all stems from a homophobic fear. This is 2005. NOT 2347 BC. If it bugs you to see a man join with another man or a women with another women, in all their love ...... then something has to be up. This is not a vendetta the gay population has against you. They only want one thing..... TO be aloud to marry the one they love, like you have the right to marry you spouse of the opposite sex. The only thing that can be seen in any of you against such a harmless idea is that of homophobia. You have a inner dislike for gays and seeing them as having an eqaul right to one such as yourself hurts. Well guess what.......? GET THE FUCK OVER IT, because I tell you this. One day we will look back on this struggle the same way we look back on women's rights and black rights. You can look on your decision and tell your children, or your grandchildren of your actions. annoy:[/quote:4001d]

Not sure if you have HBO or not but if you've ever seen Bill Maher he had a women on from some women’s organization and she bluntly said "Gays lead t the downfall of the Roman Empire." because of course, greed, corruption, over stretched empire, changing views, and barbarian invaders were just the splinters and gays were the sword that slew the giant.

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I will agree with you shorthand, people are fucking stupid, they are gay, so what, let them get married it isn't any of your business and it isn't like letting them get married will ruin your marriage...and if it does well your a fuck anyway.

Besides this shit is so tedious and un-important compared to what truly faces Americans.

How are we denying people their freedom of speech? The only thing that I see being denied is a gay's right to marry... I do not quite understand who exactly is getting their freedom of speach denied to them. Plz explain.[/quote:1e1ec]

By YOU attempting to tell anyone - in congress or out - that they CAN NOT form their opinions based on their religious upbringing is indeed attempting to bar the free expression of ideas - whether said person is influencing laws or not.

[quote="Short Hand":b863b]My GOD !. I don't see what the fuss is all about when it comes to gay marriage.

This all stems from a homophobic fear. This is 2005. NOT 2347 BC. If it bugs you to see a man join with another man or a women with another women, in all their love ...... then something has to be up. This is not a vendetta the gay population has against you. They only want one thing..... TO be aloud to marry the one they love, like you have the right to marry you spouse of the opposite sex. The only thing that can be seen in any of you against such a harmless idea is that of homophobia. You have a inner dislike for gays and seeing them as having an eqaul right to one such as yourself hurts. Well guess what.......? GET THE FUCK OVER IT, because I tell you this. One day we will look back on this struggle the same way we look back on women's rights and black rights. You can look on your decision and tell your children, or your grandchildren of your actions. annoy:[/quote:b863b]quit bringing up that homophobic argument. It is very wrong and makes you sounds dumber every time you say it.

I am serious colemon, sooner or later you will regret your current opinion on the issue. Their were people like you when women fought for the right to vote, their were people like you when the south was deeply segregated. This is just another stepping stone, maybe not as large as was in the past, but it stil needs to be accepted and dealt with properly.

This is just a discussion on an internet forum, no one is being denied their freedom of speech. People are being denied their right to marry this very moment.

[quote="TGB!":916fc] How are we denying people their freedom of speech? The only thing that I see being denied is a gay's right to marry... I do not quite understand who exactly is getting their freedom of speach denied to them. Plz explain.[/quote:916fc]

By YOU attempting to tell anyone - in congress or out - that they CAN NOT form their opinions based on their religious upbringing is indeed attempting to bar the free expression of ideas - whether said person is influencing laws or not.[/quote:916fc]

....But wouldn't you agree that under these circumstances, said christians should be looking out for the benefit of the people as opposed to their own personal religious beliefs?
I mean, sure they're allowed their opinions, but these are religious beliefs based on nothing but faith, I'd say they shouldn't be imposing those ideals, as law, on people who aren't faithful to that religion or any religion at all.