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Bleuachdu 10-08-2002 05:08 PM

Math Theory
 
I came up with this equation a few months ago, and I have been playing around with it ever since. I've never really showed it to any other people, and I thought this would be a good way to evaluate it. This invlovles finding a an unknown square of a known number using two other variables. I came up with this for the purpose of finding a numbers square (x*x) without the use of a calculator. However, it has proven to be not all that useful. It still involves multiplying large numbers. The method used ends up being an identity (x^2=x^2), broken down into addition and multiplication. It shows a very interesting relationship between the root and square of two different numbers. Its very basic algebra, but I don't think I've seen anything like it before. If you have and I'm just an idiot, let me know! OK, the theory goes... Given any number in {R} X, the square can be calculated as the sum of y^2 + xz + yz, where Y is any number in {R} and Z is the difference of X and Y.

[quote:2a502]
EQUATION
{R,R}
x^2 = x squared
y^2 = y squared
z = x-y

x^2 = xz + yz + y^2

Substitute for Z
x^2 = [x(x-y) + y(x-y)] + y^2

x^2 = [x^2 -xy + xy - y^2] + y^2

x^2 = [x^2 - y^2] + y^2

x^2 = x^2

EXAMPLE
x = 34
y = 4
x^2 = ?
y^2 = 16
z = 30

x^2 = 34*30 + 4*30 + 16

x^2 = 1020 + 120 + 16

x^2 = 1156
[/quote:2a502]

Can anyone disprove it? If so, let me know. The Domain and Range may not be {R,R}, I'm not sure. Find any problems with it ? Like I said, I've never done much with it other than think about it and play around with it. Its not very practical or useful, but it is fairly interesting. Gimme some feedback!

CaP bUsTa 10-08-2002 05:10 PM

1+1=2

KTOG 10-08-2002 05:11 PM

quite useless, yet seems to be true.

10-08-2002 05:12 PM

mash owns math every day!

Recycled Spooge 10-08-2002 05:27 PM

HUH!? You like to play around with math on your own? Get the hell out of this forum you freak!!

Low spark 10-08-2002 05:32 PM

Never play around with math without adult supervision, Your head could explode.

KTOG 10-08-2002 06:05 PM

pikachu, whats your major at good ol U of M ?

Bleuachdu 10-08-2002 06:10 PM

Keg stands with minor in beer bongs. currently taking Fraternity House Repair 101: duct tape.

SoLiDUS 10-08-2002 06:34 PM

It's interesting but not very practical.

Lemme play around with it for a bit, I'll give you some feedback soon...
biggrin:

Art Attack 10-08-2002 06:59 PM

damn you Louis and your stupid Trigonomitry

Vance 10-08-2002 06:59 PM

couldnt you just say 34^2 = 1156?

SoLiDUS 10-08-2002 07:58 PM

From what I could gather, it is simply a modified number trick: neat, but
utterly useless biggrin:

It only works because the right-hand side creates an equality (thanks, capt.
Obvious!) provided one inputs the proper numbers, Z having a special trait.
What got me interested in your trick was the square root idea: I've always
wondered whether calculators used a special equation for solving the above
mentioned or used a brute force method...

I've checked a couple of sites and one method, the CORDIC Algorithm, can
solve the square root problem with a special equation. Check it out of you
want:

[url:3782a]http://www.math.utep.edu/Faculty/helmut/cordic/wcordic.html[/url:3782a]

I'll keep looking to see if they all use this method...

r3mix 10-08-2002 08:04 PM

i just used Pi and i got the same thing

use Pi
Pi is good

Blitz-krieg 10-08-2002 09:15 PM

HUH? What kind of math is this Pre Calc or Calc? It's certainly not Sequential Math III and i'm mad confused ... explain ur theory thorougly .......... cause right now i'm ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????? in my head

Sergeant_Scrotum 10-08-2002 09:17 PM

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Bleuachdu 10-09-2002 12:32 AM

This equation is basic algebra bud. Its not complicated and it is pretty much unusable. However, like I said... the relationship of root and square is interesting. Why did I come up with this? I was sitting in calc physics class and we had to do some lame problem involving a decimal number squared. I didn't have my calculator :(. I thought to myself. Holy shit, what would I do if I got stuck on a desert island with no calculator? So, instead of listening to some crap about Newton’s Third law, I started playing around with common squared numbers and noticed the link. It took me a while to put it into equation form. At that time I didn't realize how arbitrary it was. Then I started applying it and realized that it was just a number trick. But an interesting and fun number trick nonetheless.

PS - Sloi, I'm sure many cheap calculators use BRUTE FORCE rather than algorithms

PPS - ktog, I'm majoring in Computer Science. I think that will change to MIS soon though. I don't dig programming that much oOo:

ninty 10-09-2002 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleuachdu
PPS - ktog, I'm majoring in Computer Science.

Been there, done that.

Pfc.Green 10-09-2002 09:40 AM

damn I'm glad i'm through with school, no more math class biggrin:

ninty 10-09-2002 09:46 AM

[quote="Pfc.Green":70a70]damn I'm glad i'm through with school, no more math class biggrin:[/quote:70a70]

Enlisted yet?

Blitz-krieg 10-09-2002 11:58 AM

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