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Arkan 10-24-2002 05:11 PM

WTF are Muslims teaching ??
 
Man, whats with this goddam religion. What the hell are they preaching over there anyway? I think i'm gonna convert to Islam to find out what the fuss is all about. Those sniper scumbags were Muslim and it seems a majority of international terrorists are Muslim too. WTF is the deal with that?
I thought religion preached love for one another.....not murder !!

Recycled Spooge 10-24-2002 05:17 PM

All religions when taken to the extreme are bad in my opinion; every single one.

Captain Bunny 10-24-2002 05:24 PM

Spooge is right there.

Im so sick of the fights between protestants and catholics, and then the christians who hand out leaflets saying you MUST obey the word of god or you will answer to him, and if you dont obey then you should.
cant they just go to church, pray, and leave everyone else the f*ck alone? no, that would be too sensible.

Low spark 10-24-2002 05:25 PM

Spooge is right again... Dammit stop that, any religon when taken to the extreme can teach you to hate or harm others because they represent that religons devil......

It just happens that the Muslim religion is the 'flavor of the day'.

Sicilian_Summers 10-24-2002 05:34 PM

The ONLY TRUE RELIGION . . . . is girls. Theyr'e the only ones that should be worshipped, or deserve to be worshipped.

I also believe Spooge is right. Anything that is "brought to the extreme" (politically) is usually very unreasonable.

r3mix 10-24-2002 05:35 PM

Re: WTF are Muslims teaching ??
 
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Originally Posted by Arkan
Man, whats with this goddam religion. What the hell are they preaching over there anyway? I think i'm gonna convert to Islam to find out what the fuss is all about. Those sniper scumbags were Muslim and it seems a majority of international terrorists are Muslim too. WTF is the deal with that?
I thought religion preached love for one another.....not murder !!

dont be a tit and put this down to religion.

they were american gun nuts......
and as they say..... theres plenty more where that came from

Arkan 10-24-2002 05:46 PM

Re: WTF are Muslims teaching ??
 
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Originally Posted by r3mix
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan
Man, whats with this goddam religion. What the hell are they preaching over there anyway? I think i'm gonna convert to Islam to find out what the fuss is all about. Those sniper scumbags were Muslim and it seems a majority of international terrorists are Muslim too. WTF is the deal with that?
I thought religion preached love for one another.....not murder !!

dont be a tit and put this down to religion.

they were american gun nuts......
and as they say..... theres plenty more where that came from

It's all about religion dude.....read the papers and watch the news.

r3mix 10-24-2002 07:42 PM

Re: WTF are Muslims teaching ??
 
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Originally Posted by Arkan
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Originally Posted by r3mix
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Originally Posted by Arkan
Man, whats with this goddam religion. What the hell are they preaching over there anyway? I think i'm gonna convert to Islam to find out what the fuss is all about. Those sniper scumbags were Muslim and it seems a majority of international terrorists are Muslim too. WTF is the deal with that?
I thought religion preached love for one another.....not murder !!

dont be a tit and put this down to religion.

they were american gun nuts......
and as they say..... theres plenty more where that came from

It's all about religion dude.....read the papers and watch the news.

the papers and the news are both commericially driven.... any angle that can be sensationalised will be. understand this before you believe what you read.

BTW what religion was it that is associated with the assassination of the abortion clinic workers all these years..... was that muslims?

Pyro 10-24-2002 08:23 PM

Ali choose Muslim over Christian...and you can't fuck with Ali.

Milla 10-24-2002 08:24 PM

Im catholic...please dont rape me cry:

Low spark 10-24-2002 08:24 PM

Sorry Arkan, have to disagree on this one. I don't believe that religon had much to do with this case. I think he was a control freak that thought that killing these people was a game. They may play the religon card, but I'm not buying it.

SoLiDUS 10-24-2002 09:07 PM

Well, religion = bad, of course...

But aren't we dealing with a very small minority of freaks here ? I'm sure
you see my point: one rotten apple spoils the bunch.

I can't bring myself to believe all of them want bad for non-followers.

Mr.X 10-24-2002 09:29 PM

...it's not the "religion" alone...it's the mixing of religion and politics...muslims do not seperate the two...
so they will remain the one group who will refuse to assimilate...in Australia, islam is forcing itself into
every aspect of our lives...and none of it is positve.
They whine on with their anti-west, holier than thou stance...while the same community is swamping us
in a wave of criminal (mainly gang) activity, the likes of which we have not seen before.
Don't make the mistake of thinking these people religious...they hate us, particularly because we are
allies with the USA, but they sure love our infrastructure.

...which islamic country do you see as a good role model?, one whose laws and treatment of it's
people can be held up to show me how wrong I am...
...because I'm fucked if I know of any..... oOo:

[]PanZeR 10-24-2002 10:14 PM

not all muslims are bad...i know a few good ones but there are a billion in the world so they're not all bad less than 1% are

Old Reliable 10-24-2002 10:44 PM

Man, if they only taught the Religion of Cheese it'd be alllll good

10-24-2002 11:19 PM

guess what dip shit. you have rapists and murderers in america who are white athiests. go ahead and blame the muslims for one serial killing but guess what jackass. athiests have done ten times more mass murders in america.
hell look at catholics, you obviosly support them yet they allow priests for RAPE young boys!

again, some of you people make me fucking sick.

Arkan 10-24-2002 11:32 PM

[quote="CSF_Jaizen":2d904]guess what dip shit. you have rapists and murderers in america who are white athiests. go ahead and blame the muslims for one serial killing but guess what jackass. athiests have done ten times more mass murders in america.
hell look at catholics, you obviosly support them yet they allow priests for RAPE young boys!

again, some of you people make me fucking sick.[/quote:2d904]

I know you're not referring to me there CSF Jaizen.

I'm not blaming the Islamic religion for this guys killing spree. I'm questioning the teachings of this religion. How come "most" terrorists who exist in this world today follow this religion? I know it's ridiculous to group every Muslim together as terrorists but why do the majority of terrorists claim to be Muslim?
If any one cares to know, i don't claim to be of any religion......i just believe that i should be civil to all living things and that should be good enough to call myself a "good" person. I don't believe there is a supreme religion.

Recycled Spooge 10-24-2002 11:37 PM

[quote="CSF_Jaizen":4c6a1]guess what dip shit. you have rapists and murderers in america who are white athiests. go ahead and blame the muslims for one serial killing but guess what jackass. athiests have done ten times more mass murders in america.
hell look at catholics, you obviosly support them yet they allow priests for RAPE young boys!

again, some of you people make me fucking sick.[/quote:4c6a1]
Some with atheism; if in the extreme, atheists have no morals and nothing prevents them from killing, no? There's no hell in atheism, remember that.

By the way, I'm atheist. cool:

Mr.X 10-25-2002 12:40 AM

[quote="CSF_Jaizen":208d6]again, some of you people make me fucking sick.[/quote:208d6]

...exactly who are you refering to here..?...

r3mix 10-25-2002 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkan
I'm not blaming the Islamic religion for this guys killing spree. I'm questioning the teachings of this religion. How come "most" terrorists who exist in this world today follow this religion? I know it's ridiculous to group every Muslim together as terrorists but why do the majority of terrorists claim to be Muslim?

You should research the teachings of this religion then.
It does not promote hate or violence or holy war. Like all religions including christianity it has it fundamentalist followers who are going to practice violence no matter what religion they follow.... theyre jsut gonna do it.

To answer your question about why are most terrorists muslims you again need to realise the information you receive via the media is slanted both for profit and politics.

Osama Bin Laden been doing the same thing for 20 years..... when he was doing it in conjuction with America's interests he was a "freedom fighter"..... when he does it against America's interests he is a "terrorist". Likewise your nation will rejoice at the "political reform" of certain nations and condemn the "bloody coup" of others based on their own foreign policy.

geRV 10-25-2002 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r3mix
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkan
I'm not blaming the Islamic religion for this guys killing spree. I'm questioning the teachings of this religion. How come "most" terrorists who exist in this world today follow this religion? I know it's ridiculous to group every Muslim together as terrorists but why do the majority of terrorists claim to be Muslim?

You should research the teachings of this religion then.
It does not promote hate or violence or holy war. Like all religions including christianity it has it fundamentalist followers who are going to practice violence no matter what religion they follow.... theyre jsut gonna do it.

To answer your question about why are most terrorists muslims you again need to realise the information you receive via the media is slanted both for profit and politics.

Osama Bin Laden been doing the same thing for 20 years..... when he was doing it in conjuction with America's interests he was a "freedom fighter"..... when he does it against America's interests he is a "terrorist". Likewise your nation will rejoice at the "political reform" of certain nations and condemn the "bloody coup" of others based on their own foreign policy.


Nice post cool:

10-25-2002 02:46 AM

IMO I am really happy that all the known terrorist in the world have religion attached. Imagine if they were atheist. There woulld be no conscience and self-control. Imagine, it'll be 10 times worse. Raping, torturing and certain things that we cannot imagine. If Islam did not exist, they still will always be a terrorist but instead of dying for their god they would die for their country. They will always be terrorist as long as the foreign policy is not changed by the US.

So before you post THINK!!!

Mr.X 10-25-2002 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by zxcvnm
IMO I am really happy that all the known terrorist in the world have religion attached. Imagine if they were atheist. There woulld be no conscience and self-control. Imagine, it'll be 10 times worse. Raping, torturing and certain things that we cannot imagine.

So before you post THINK!!!

...so you're suggesting fighters for islam, by virtue of their faith, do not commit rape, torture, and "certain things"..??
....please, take your own advice with regards to THINK!!!ing.

SoLiDUS 10-25-2002 03:10 AM

Why are most terrorists Muslim ? Shit, this isn't a single paragraph answer
but I'll resume it for you to extrapolate later:

1- Just like Good and Bad is subjective, so is terrorism...

2- Set and Setting affected their development: don't forget most american
born Muslims aren't terrorists, as most around the world aren't. Don't forget
what Christians did in the name of God in medieval times...

3- Saying most terrorists are Muslims is one helluva generalization.
(EDIT: they've just been getting more press... or rather: more emphasis
has been placed on that specific caracteristic.)

10-25-2002 03:13 AM

[quote="Mr.X":624ce]
Quote:

Originally Posted by zxcvnm
IMO I am really happy that all the known terrorist in the world have religion attached. Imagine if they were atheist. There woulld be no conscience and self-control. Imagine, it'll be 10 times worse. Raping, torturing and certain things that we cannot imagine.

So before you post THINK!!!

...so you're suggesting fighters for islam, by virtue of their faith, do not commit rape, torture, and "certain things"..??
....please, take your own advice with regards to THINK!!!ing.[/quote:624ce]

Imagine the scale if atheism was ever involved.

r3mix 10-25-2002 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by zxcvnm
Imagine the scale if atheism was ever involved.

he is talking about islam
so lets stay on topic and imagine the scale if islam *was* actually involved rather than just alluded to by the media.

we are talking about around a 1 in 5 people here ok?

thats every plane you get onto you are travelling with 60 terrorists
on every bus there bus theres 4
if you share a cab with someone there is more likey than not a terrorist travelling with you.

use your heads ffs.
now that the US has gotten over its "Red Peril" fear of communism they need a new percieved fear. its islam.

Bullet Sponge 10-25-2002 04:16 AM

The issue of language is also if importance here . The language of the Koran is rather vague . Koranic scholars can't seem to come to a concrete position on how to decipher certain passages . Some groups take advantage of this vague wording to justify acts of terror .
Islam in it,s basic form has a great deal in common with Christianity and Judaism . It preaches peace and tollerance . Any idea can be perverted by those with the will to do so . The KKK claims to be a Christian organization , but that seemd rather far fetched to me .

zverushka 10-25-2002 04:38 AM

Bullshit it teaches peace and tolerance. That's why it says to jihad against the infidels.

10-25-2002 04:46 AM

actually it does. if you cared to read about it.

Bullet Sponge 10-25-2002 08:49 AM

Even the meaning of the word jihad is disputed . I've heard several knowledgable people give different definitions of the word . Do a little reading , find out for yourself . I don't support terrorism in any way but to damn an entire belief system for the actions of a few extreamists is wrong . The problems in the middle east are complex and varied , Islamic extreamism is just one of them .

Arkan 10-25-2002 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoLiDUS
Why are most terrorists Muslim ? Shit, this isn't a single paragraph answer
but I'll resume it for you to extrapolate later:

1- Just like Good and Bad is subjective, so is terrorism...

2- Set and Setting affected their development: don't forget most american
born Muslims aren't terrorists, as most around the world aren't. Don't forget
what Christians did in the name of God in medieval times...

3- Saying most terrorists are Muslims is one helluva generalization.
(EDIT: they've just been getting more press... or rather: more emphasis
has been placed on that specific caracteristic.)

I agree with your statement however, regardless of what the "general public" here believes about me being spoon fed this stuff by the media in my country, i gotta say this. Not only do i read the news spewed out by my country, i also read the news spewed out by others and they're all saying the same thing. So i guess i shouldn't listen to the news anymore. Hell, how do i know if the Holocoust even took place? Should i believe the history books or cast them aside due to the fact that they might discriminate against Germans?
And you're right, saying most terrorists are Muslim is one helluva generalization, but i'm gonna stick to that belief until im satisfied otherwise.

r3mix 10-26-2002 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Arkan
I agree with your statement however, regardless of what the "general public" here believes about me being spoon fed this stuff by the media in my country, i gotta say this. Not only do i read the news spewed out by my country, i also read the news spewed out by others and they're all saying the same thing. So i guess i shouldn't listen to the news anymore. Hell, how do i know if the Holocoust even took place? Should i believe the history books or cast them aside due to the fact that they might discriminate against Germans?
And you're right, saying most terrorists are Muslim is one helluva generalization, but i'm gonna stick to that belief until im satisfied otherwise.

bullshit..... you show me any media publisher who says that the majority of terrorism is caused by Islam. you say they are all saying this so just show me one.

a lot of this thread is trying to inform you that the media slants and dramatises details of any story to make it more interesting..... however your own xenophobia and prejudice is why this is failing to make any impression.

FFS the para-military terrorist networks in ireland put your current events to shame..... niether side are muslims..... wake tha fuck up fool and then fuck off.

being misinformed and slow-witted appears to be the universal entry qualification for racists.

Mr.X 10-26-2002 03:12 AM

...nice tone to your post there...way to promote tolerance... oOo:

so people disagree with you...and you go straight into fatwah mode...
meanwhile we'll all sit on our hands while radical-islam prepares to express itself again,
not enough recently for ya huh...?...

r3mix 10-26-2002 06:17 AM

[quote="Mr.X":7f24f]...nice tone to your post there...way to promote tolerance... oOo:

so people disagree with you...and you go straight into fatwah mode...
meanwhile we'll all sit on our hands while radical-islam prepares to express itself again,
not enough recently for ya huh...?...[/quote:7f24f]

to what radical islam expression are you referring ?

and please dont compare my comments with this persons..... i have no idea of his race or religion and do not care to find out. my comments stand regardless of these details rather than rely on them.... can you spot the difference ?

Von Paulus 10-26-2002 06:37 AM

Knock it off you two! There will be no fighting between Countrymen on this here forum! We're all in this shit together, we should be handling it together too...

Mr.X 10-26-2002 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by r3mix
and please dont compare my comments with this persons..... i have no idea of his race or religion and do not care to find out.

...aawww gee.... hake: ... ..picks up acoustic guitar... "...well disappointment was my only freeaand.."

r3mix 10-26-2002 08:03 AM

[quote="Mr.X":f97a8]
Quote:

Originally Posted by r3mix
and please dont compare my comments with this persons..... i have no idea of his race or religion and do not care to find out.

...aawww gee.... hake: ... ..picks up acoustic guitar... "...well disappointment was my only freeaand.."[/quote:f97a8]

i think the readers would have preferred some information from you on this impending islamic terrorist attack.

10-26-2002 08:08 AM

I'm safe where I am. angel:

Arkan 10-26-2002 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r3mix
bullshit..... you show me any media publisher who says that the majority of terrorism is caused by Islam. you say they are all saying this so just show me one.

a lot of this thread is trying to inform you that the media slants and dramatises details of any story to make it more interesting..... however your own xenophobia and prejudice is why this is failing to make any impression.

FFS the para-military terrorist networks in ireland put your current events to shame..... niether side are muslims..... wake tha fuck up fool and then fuck off.

being misinformed and slow-witted appears to be the universal entry qualification for racists.


Here ya go spider. Happy reading.

http://www.cpr-government.org/terrorists.html
http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=51103
http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terrorists/fugitives.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ladin.htm
http://www.muhammadanism.org/Government ... rism01.htm
http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/Stor ... 60,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9708/29/algeria.new/
http://www.thenewrepublic.com/111201/foer111201.html
http://latelinenews.com/ll/english/1231168.shtml
http://www.vitrade.com/sudan_risk/laden ... liance.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p ... 318819.stm

1080jibber 10-26-2002 01:05 PM

YOU WANT WORLD PEACE?, heres how you get it...... STOP ALL RELIGIONS, there you go, you now have world peace!


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