my SUPER computer (soon)
 

i have $3000 dollars Canadian and i want to build a new computer but having some problems picking out the parts i want.... (i will list them)

1.) intel or amd, (i have never used or seen a AMD machine so i really need help with this one)!!!!!
2.)how fast the cpu should be (like go all out and spend the big bucks on a new 2.8gighz or go for a much cheaper 2.?gighz)
3.)MOBO, should i get a combo, or buy it seperate. (and what kind of mobo)
4.)RAM, now there is so many different kind of ram like DDR,RD,SD, (i dont know much about RAM so i will need help big time on that too, ill be going for 1gig too.)
5.)i will need a DVD-R and CD-R too but thats easy to get, just have too find a cheap one.
6.)FAN's i know nothing about them but i hear some fans are better than others
7.)moniter, mouse,keyboard, 3.5inchdiisk drive thats easy crap too get
8.)video card is easy one too (ATI RADEON 9700) *im a ATI lover*
9.)a case any good cases on the internet that i could buy?


i know im missing something but i mostly need help with the *cpu, mobo, and ram*

if ya could help me out that would be cool*

OMFG, I'm gonna shit my pants that is an awesome sig!

why is the purpose of that furry thing the snipers put on the barrel of the gun? is it for camoflage? grip? water proof?

For camoflague i believe, if they were wearnig one of those shroud things then having the barrel wrapped in the same matrial made it less noticable.

[quote:4e94f]1.) intel or amd, (i have never used or seen a AMD machine so i really need help with this one)!!!!! [/quote:4e94f]

INTEL and AMD are both GREAT products. Some say INTEl is very stable, but pricey, others say AMD is nicely priced but a little buggy. I've NEVER had a problem with my AMD as long as I've got the proper BIOS Drivers.

[quote:4e94f]2.)how fast the cpu should be (like go all out and spend the big bucks on a new 2.8gighz or go for a much cheaper 2.?gighz)[/quote:4e94f]

2 gigs is FINE. If you are gaming its MORE than fine. 2.8 would really be needed if you are running some sort of VIDEO or MUSIC or WHaTEVER editing software. Right now it's MASSiVE overkill.

[quote:4e94f]3.)MOBO, should i get a combo, or buy it seperate. (and what kind of mobo)[/quote:4e94f]

DEFINATELY get a combo. Saves some cash. ASUS, GIGABYTE and SOYO make some damn fine ones.

[quote:4e94f]4.)RAM, now there is so many different kind of ram like DDR,RD,SD, (i dont know much about RAM so i will need help big time on that too, ill be going for 1gig too.)[/quote:4e94f]

One gig is a little excessive, but if you absolutely must, first refer to your MOTHERBOARD and see what type of DDR ram it takes. DDR should be fine for you - 1 gig is again a lil excessive and pricey.

[quote:4e94f]5.)i will need a DVD-R and CD-R too but thats easy to get, just have too find a cheap one.[/quote:4e94f]

Get a DVD-Burner, and a cheap CD-rom reader. No reason to get a DVD burner AND a CD-Burner. CD Burners ARE cheap though, and you can get some nice 16x ones for 60 bucks.

[quote:4e94f]6.)FAN's i know nothing about them but i hear some fans are better than others[/quote:4e94f]

Bleah. If you must, go with VOLCANO fans.

[quote:4e94f]7.)moniter, mouse,keyboard, 3.5inchdiisk drive thats easy crap too get[/quote:4e94f]

Just recycle from old COMPUTER unless you are looking for a better monitor.

[quote:4e94f]8.)video card is easy one too (ATI RADEON 9700) *im a ATI lover*[/quote:4e94f]

Or you could wait for the new NVIDIA chip to drop.

[quote:4e94f]9.)a case any good cases on the internet that i could buy?[/quote:4e94f]

Any case will do, but if you go for clear, shiny covers im sure some websites can get u an ATX or INTEL form factor case.

oh.

I believe it's called a "Ghillie Suit"?

Re: my SUPER computer (soon)
 

cpu > I'd go with an AMD Athlon Xp 2800+ It runs at 2.25Ghz but is the equivelant of a pentium 2.8Ghz..it's not out yet though...will be soon

mobo> Abit Nforce2..or the Epox 8k5a3+

ram> I'd get some Samsung DDR PC3500 ram -drools-

fans> this is a toughie...depends on what your going for....I have two 80mm thermaltake fans in the back for exaust, two 80mm themaltake fans on the front for intake, an 80mm enermax fan on the side for intake and one 120mm enermax fan on the top for exaust. I also have a thermaltake crystal orb in place of my motherboard fan and a thermaltake volcano 7+ for my processor heatsink and fan. My case is literally cold to touch but there is a price to pay. it's loud. If you don't plan on overclocking I'd recommend getting some thermaltake smart fans. They're not loud and won't run any faster than they have to. If you really wanna go hardcore and have no noise check out watercooling. You can DIYS or buy a predone case...I'm thinking the thermaltake case looks nice.
http://www.thermaltake.com/products/Aqu ... riusII.htm

cases> thermaltake is coming out with some nice cases...I prefer lian li though. They're a little pricey but they're made out of aluminum so they look good, are light and have great heat dissipation...you could also check out antec and chieftec..they make quality cases as well.

uhmm..if i missed anything let me know and i'll try to help you out. if you need anymore info feel free to reply to this or send me a pm.

edit: make sure you get a good power supply..so many people cheap out on it without realising how important it is...get a brand name PSU (it does matter) and make sure you get at least 450w if not higher.

oh yeah, i recommend Maxtor harddrives. If you get the epox board it comes with RAID so you could get dual 120Gb harddrives and raid them. much much much faster

here is a word of advise: Heat can be a dangerous thing and like "absolute" touched on, a nice cooling system is important for the continous life of your computer. AMD are known to heat faster then INTEL's so I'd recommend getting a few fans, (One in back and one in front will due).

Your not going to need $3000 to ahve a great system.

With $2000 you can have a top of the line system without monitor of course. Lots of money though.

I have enough to probably buy a few computers, but i'm pretty frugal with my money.

1 ghz computer for $200 at fry's

thanks too all that replyed, just looking on some sites to start ordering (just have to find the right price)

so far im looking on dealtime.com, and pricewatch.com

check out newegg.com

Hey ED Since you came out and said that 2 gig processor is more than enough I was wondering where i could be getting some frame lag from in BF1942.

P4 2.0 (northwood)
512 DDR PC 2100
G4 4200 Ti 128 DDR

Im thinking the G4's ram speed is the problem, since its slower than the 64 versions. Just wondering if you had suggestions.

Re: my SUPER computer (soon)
 

[quote:9c164]1.) intel or amd, (i have never used or seen a AMD machine so i really need help with this one)!!!!!
2.)how fast the cpu should be (like go all out and spend the big bucks on a new 2.8gighz or go for a much cheaper 2.?gighz)
3.)MOBO, should i get a combo, or buy it seperate. (and what kind of mobo)
4.)RAM, now there is so many different kind of ram like DDR,RD,SD, (i dont know much about RAM so i will need help big time on that too, ill be going for 1gig too.)
5.)i will need a DVD-R and CD-R too but thats easy to get, just have too find a cheap one.
6.)FAN's i know nothing about them but i hear some fans are better than others
7.)moniter, mouse,keyboard, 3.5inchdiisk drive thats easy crap too get
8.)video card is easy one too (ATI RADEON 9700) *im a ATI lover*
9.)a case any good cases on the internet that i could buy?[/quote:9c164]

AMD Athlon processor: you can invest a moderate amount in a 2.5ghz, if
such a processor speed exists because your video card will be doing most
of the stuff needed anyway. I would recommend the best motherboard you
can find (check reviews for amd motherboards on the net) because it will
be your computer's backbone. DDR (double density random access mem)
is the way to go: I suggest at least 512 megs; 1024megs (a gig) would be
optimal. Get a CD-RW, obviously, but make sure it has burn-proof tech.
Get a set of extra fans and put them in your box to ensure proper cooling
of your hardware. As for the case, well... just get a big one: your fingers
will thank you for the extra space ;-)

Hey, I build custom computers as a small side business, email me if you'd like me to work on something for you. No offense, but there's a lot of important things you're not considering/dont know enough about, and getting advice on a mohaa forum is not gonna help much. Also, being from the US, I could probably get much better prices on parts then you can. And whoever suggested newegg to this guy, they don't ship to canada. Email me here Garasaki@aol.com

Hey Mr Special ED, what happened to your opinion that DDR RAM isn't any better then SDRAM???

[quote:9deda]Hey ED Since you came out and said that 2 gig processor is more than enough I was wondering where i could be getting some frame lag from in BF1942.

P4 2.0 (northwood)
512 DDR PC 2100
G4 4200 Ti 128 DDR

Im thinking the G4's ram speed is the problem, since its slower than the 64 versions. Just wondering if you had suggestions.[/quote:9deda]

It aint the CARD, the CPU, or the MEMORY. It's the game. Although if you have your card overcocked in anyway, it might affect it, but I've found - ESPECIALLY on levels with planes rendering, that there is HORRIBLE lag. BATTLEFIELD takes ALOT to run, but not so much that a system like that shouldn't be able to deliver 30-50 fps on high settings. On levels like BERLIN, BULGE, STALIN, etc. I get the frames I'm supposed to get. On GAZALA, EL ALMIEN, etc I get the frames, but I get nasty lag.

[quote:9deda]Hey Mr Special ED, what happened to your opinion that DDR RAM isn't any better then SDRAM???[/quote:9deda]

You must have heard me wrong. Technically speaking DDR is OBVIOUSLY "better" than SDRAM - my point ALWAYS has been is it needed. For now, no. It's nice if you have that cash to spend on it, but me I LOVE money and if I cant justify a purchase in my mind, I wont get it. 512 DDR is fine if you can get a good deal, and is probably as high as I would go right now. 1gig and up - just excessive to the point of ridiculousness. Show me any CASUAL user who at any given time even has 1gig of processes running, and I'll show you someone doing TOO MANY things at once.

Well, I agree with you about 2 things:

First, lag in BF42 is due to the program. I only have the demo, but it runs awesome on my computer...except that every once in a while, for no appearant reason whatsoever, it lags hardcore. Just once, not consistantly, not for any reason...it just lags. I figure it must just be typically buggy EA games code...

Secondly, anything over 512 of ram is a waste.

However, I think that buying SDRAM is also a waste of money. I still don't think you understand what DDR is. Having DDR ram does not mean that you've "doubled" the amount of ram you have installed. It means the ram runs twice as fast (well, not actually twice as fast but in theory). That means anything which goes into ram (which is a lot of stuff) gets processed faster. 512 megs of DDR is not equivilent to 1 gig of SDRAM. It's the same amount of storage space, just faster.

[quote:c8f59]However, I think that buying SDRAM is also a waste of money. I still don't think you understand what DDR is. Having DDR ram does not mean that you've "doubled" the amount of ram you have installed. It means the ram runs twice as fast (well, not actually twice as fast but in theory). That means anything which goes into ram (which is a lot of stuff) gets processed faster. 512 megs of DDR is not equivilent to 1 gig of SDRAM. It's the same amount of storage space, just faster.[/quote:c8f59]

Lol. This I know. DDR is still a waste of money right now in my opinion. I mean, it's this whole sub-culture where "faster" is better and absolutely needed. I mean you're gonna see guys go out and spend 400-500 dollars on the new nVidia card. FOR WHAT! So they can get an extra 300 points on their 3DMARK score. That, in my frugal mind, is fucking sick. I cannot understand why a casual gamer needs anything (at the moment) over 1.5gigs of CPU speed, 512megs of ram, and a 64mb DDR video card.

But, just like clockwork, when those new 3 gig cpus come out, and they read them reviews, they MUST have it. Spend 500 on a vacation with your significant other - nah. Gonna go get a l337(sp?) CPU.

Insane.

Keep in mind this is NOT directed at you, just my general opinion about this attitude.

Go for this:

at least a P4 More than 2.53Ghrz, 533FSB, or a Athlon XP 2200.

At least 256MB of either PC-800 RDRAM or PC2700 DDR RAM

At least a GF4 Ti 4400 128MB or RADEON 9000

Personally, I'd get a P4 system, with the GF card, and RDRAM, PC-1066 if you can afford it.

DO NOT GET A COMBO. only a fool would do that build your own. then you can up grade as need be in the future. you dont want any onboard built shit.

if you have that kinda of cash do it right

[quote:ba12f]DO NOT GET A COMBO. only a fool would do that build your own. then you can up grade as need be in the future. you dont want any onboard built shit.

if you have that kinda of cash do it right[/quote:ba12f]

Yea, dont get a combo and save money. That's the foolish thing to do.

You SPANISH people. hake:

Actually, it's usually cheaper to build your own computer than it is to buy a prebuilt one from a computer store. I saved $1000 when i built mine.

A COMBO here means MOBO/CPU. And yes building your computer IS cheaper than paying for it full price, since the cost of construction IS included in all that, and you can pick and choose the things you need. If you have an existing computer, it SHOULD be alot cheaper to upgrade since you already have several pre-components.

[quote:151d2]Lol. This I know. DDR is still a waste of money right now in my opinion. I mean, it's this whole sub-culture where "faster" is better and absolutely needed. I mean you're gonna see guys go out and spend 400-500 dollars on the new nVidia card. FOR WHAT! So they can get an extra 300 points on their 3DMARK score. That, in my frugal mind, is fucking sick. I cannot understand why a casual gamer needs anything (at the moment) over 1.5gigs of CPU speed, 512megs of ram, and a 64mb DDR video card. [/quote:151d2]

You want to know what's fucking sick ? Perpetual upgrading by twisted
companies looking to cash in on the morons who still think we have nothing
better than 2.whatever GHZ machines. Nigga please, the military had that
shit 10 years ago :P

The only argument I can find is "what to do with the hardware when the
poor programmers have it..." ? Think consoles: a year later, things aren't
so bad, are they ? ;-)

Also, if the military found a way to use the new hardware, so can the
"standard" programmer.

Perpetual upgrade, I stab at thee !

EDIT (joke): I want my holodeck!!! cry:

2.whatever GHZ machines. Nigga please, the military had that shit 10 years ago :P[/quote]

its crack Spock
but not as we know it

ed wrote.[quote:e95f7]Yea, dont get a combo and save money. That's the foolish thing to do.

You SPANISH people.
[/quote:e95f7]

yeah get a combo so in two years when your video card needs a upgrade, and you have one pci slot. you fucked. but i see he changed his words to a mobo combo wich is a good idea but. thats the standard usaly you buy them together.

and he said 3000 you can build a top of the line comp for that, so why go dell, or some crap.

and ed did some hot mexican chick rip you a new ass so you hate there race now?

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I'd get a AMD if you're using it for gaming... oh yeah, DON'T get an MX version of the Geforce. Get a Ti or Ultra.

Anyone have the AMD XP? Any good?

Yeah, my 800 dollar computer based on a AMD Athlon XP 1600+ gets 11741 3dmarks...

Lets see someone beat that for less cash!

LOL. And you get HOW MANY fps in MOH.

I'm breezing at 40-60 and I couldnt tell ya the difference in 70-100.

The human eye can only interperate up to 57FPS, so anything over that, really dosen't make a difference.

[quote="MR. SPECIAL ED":0470a]

LOL. And you get HOW MANY fps in MOH.

I'm breezing at 40-60 and I couldnt tell ya the difference in 70-100.[/quote:0470a]

Well, I know you're not big on 3dmark, but it is probably the only quanitative way to judge gaming performance (ie it gives you hard numbers that can actually be compared from one computer to the next).

I get about the same fps, but at higher resolution, detail, and with more eye candy then you. I dont care about fps myself (mines capped at 50) I care about detail and graphics quality.