A couple of reasons why I support Bush
 

His "affirmative action" policy:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/ ... index.html

And his pro-life policy:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/ ... index.html

those happen to be the reasons I don't like him biggrin:

affirmative action was a policy that I always didn't like the Democrats for, looks like the Republicans are jumping on the bandwagon.

as far as abortion goes: who teh hell is Bush to determine when a fetus is considered alive?

pretty soon they'll ban condoms because they prevents the beginning of life hake:

You must have misread the affirmative action part - Bush is AGAINST it.

[quote="SW-14":9b90e]You must have misread the affirmative action part - Bush is AGAINST it.[/quote:9b90e]

This is a HUGE deal around here (i live 15mins from UofM) it is a bad policy. Racial problems are getting better around here but this is just hurting the progress we have made.
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[quote="SW-14":25e87]You must have misread the affirmative action part - Bush is AGAINST it.[/quote:25e87]

ooops, I read "diversity is an important goal" and went on the warpath

I thought this topic was reasons why you like porn.

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LOL - I support bush too (are we still talking about porn?)

I am split on the two issues you listed. I am against any sort of enablement and preferential treatment suck. the abortion thing - well that isnt a big issue for me any more. I use to take a hard line stance with the democrats on this one, but am getting more conservative as time goes, but still not near the repubican side.

I may not be an American, so it doesn't affect me...But I'm very Pro-Choice.

Who wants to solve the growing over-population problem, and all the problems that come with it? Not Pro-Lifers.

Who wants to give an un-born fetus, that can't even think, a worse life, filled with a mother and/or father that can't support them, possible abuse, living life as an un-wanted child, Among other things. Pro-Lifers do.

To sum it up, you're giving a plant (Un-Born fetus), the chance to visit the horrible world we live in.

Also, shouldn't it be the fucking mothers choice whether she has to go through the hell of pregnancy, and even ruin her and the childs life later on? I mean, it's only her that is going to feel bad about killing HER child. Why the fuck would some freak-ass pro-lifer that doesn't even know the situation, care about an un-born child? Why don't they go out and solve life or death problems for people that are actually living? Or go and cure problems that happen to pregnant women that actually WANT to have a child.

As far as I'm concerned, most pro-lifers that I have witnessed are complete psychos anyway. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to murder someone for pro-life causes? Because that is what happens...Fucking psychotic extremists.

Ok, on abortion, i'm neutral on that one. It should be a womans descision when it comes down to it.

Now, about "Affirmative Action", i'm totally against that biased bullshit !! If it were the other way around (for the White male), we'd have riots in this country. I owe nothing to the black man since i'm of Italian & Austrian descent and have roots in America since the late 1890's. As far as i know, my pappy never owned no slave!!

If you want a job that bad, apply yourself towards that goal....don't let a "rule" get you in.

he's got more balls than the Clinton ever had ...

Pro-choice is pro-death. It's ludicrous to think there are huge teams of people caring for a 30 week prematurely born "fetus" (no longer since he/she is out of the womb) on the one side, and other people slicing these babies up while still in the womb. Think of that. If you think abortion is ok, why isn't it legal to kill a baby once it's been born? Either way we've got a stopped heartbeat, and ceasing of brain function. That's death in my book.

As far as sparing the child the horrors of the world, why don't we just make a committee to identify people who are having a bad life and blow them away? Heck, it sure saves them in the long run. Why don't we do that? It's wrong, just like abortion is.

Right on, Rocket, right on.

I don't want anyone telling an adult what they can or can't do with thier own body . On abortion , smoking , body piercing , whatever , I think an adult has the right to choose whats best for themselves .
On the issue of affirmative action however , I'm torn . I believe the job should go to the most deserving person . Unfortunately , merit doesn't work if you're not willing to give the applicant a fair chance . Affirmative action was supposed to give minorities that fair chance but the idea got fucked up along the way . Your color shouldn't get you the job , but it shouldn't prevent you from getting it either .
As far as white males saying they are loosing everything , I ask this . Who are you loosing it to ? It damn sure isn't to me or anyone from my neighborhood . Instead of blaming minorities for all he things you've lost , take a look at the real culprit , big buisiness . Republicans and Democrates have cut those assholes huge tax breaks . When was the last time the IRS cut you a break ? Don't feel bad I didn't get one either .

I believe I am pro-life because, I think every child, despite the fact that their parents may be losers, should have a chance to live in this world. I'd much rather see the child put up for adoption and given to a family who learns to love him or her.

As for affirmative action, I think it means well but, the way it is carried out just... doesn't work. You can't hire someone who isn't as qualified as the other guy based upon preferences. It doesn't create an even playing field which was its original purpose.

Affirmitave action does work when used properly. It helps poor people get places that are exclusive to white with money. I know I'm wasting my time in this forum. But Bush is only looking out for his friends. He has enough problems with that uppity Powel and Rice on his staff he can hardly stomach the idea of more minorties doing as well as his white friends. I mean, whose going to do those jobs that nobody wants, or go die for our country while Bush's white friends kids are in college. Bush is no dummy(he is a complete idiot though), he knows whose money bought him the whitehouse, so he doesn't want ot piss of the Country Club crowd.
And how can someone believe in the death sentence and be a anti-abortionist, it does not make sense. Oh thats right were talking about money again aren't we.

Let's look at affirmative action. The issue with the UM case is this, that "students are being selected or rejected based primarily on the color of their skin." Does it matter that these people are other than white? Heck yea. I thought we're supposed to live in a world where skin color doesn't matter.

Taken straight from Martin Luther King's famous speech, which many minorities pin their hopes on: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." To me, it looks like they are doing precisely that, being judged by the color of your skin.

Bush is trying to point out the unconstitutionality of such efforts. Before you go on a rant, consider his follow-up statement. "We should not be satisfied with the current numbers of minorities on Americans college campuses. Much progress has been made; much more is needed. University officials have the responsibility and the obligation to make a serious, effective effort to reach out to students from all walks of life, without falling back on unconstitutional quotas. Schools should seek diversity by considering a broad range of factors in admissions, including a student's potential and life experiences."

Well said Rocket. Affirmitive action went from an idea with good intentions to a pure shit policy.

support bush?
 

Even after bush passed "homeland Security" you still support him? Wow i guess most people are interested in losing their freedoms

amazing, the first time that Bush has tackled an issue other than Iraq

Re: support bush?
 

[quote="=Sgt. Daniel R. O*Neil=":4c2da]Even after bush passed "homeland Security" you still support him? Wow i guess most people are interested in losing their freedoms[/quote:4c2da]

Heh, what exactly have you lost as far as normal everyday life goes ? Have you had to radically change your lifestyle because of this "Homeland Security" ? I doubt it very much. Stop whining about shit that doesnt even affect you.

I'm not American, but I think Bush is doing a good job. He's got balls enough to stand up to pricks like Saddam and North Korea, and not back down when they get all upset about policies and restrictions placed on them because of their own infractions. There's no-one I'd rather have in command of the global police force.

You should have the freedom of choice to choose whether or not you
wish to get an abortion. It is NOBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS. Some call it
murder ? Let them: in the end, they don't live with the decision that
comes with getting the operation. We've already discussed this in the
past... and the same stupid arguments keep re-surfacing. Freedom
of choice.

mwah:

Re: support bush?
 

[quote=BallisticWookie]Heh, what exactly have you lost as far as normal everyday life goes ? Have you had to radically change your lifestyle because of this "Homeland Security" ? I doubt it very much. Stop whining about shit that doesnt even affect you.

I'm not American, but I think Bush is doing a good job. He's got balls enough to stand up to pricks like Saddam and North Korea, and not back down when they get all upset about policies and restrictions placed on them because of their own infractions. There's no-one I'd rather have in command of the global police force.[/quote:6fe47]

I can no longer carry my Swiss Army knife everywhere.

Also, while few have been affected by homeland security it does make a precedent that the government can take your rights away.
How long before people who criticize the government can be arrested as "terrorists" and held without trial?
It's not that I don't trust government...but I don't, there have been to many potentially good governments corrupted in history for anyone to trust them.
Just like gun-control, they start with one type of weapon and pretty soon BB guns are illegal.

I gotta agree. "Homeland security" takes away personal freedoms. While it hasnt accected me personally (yet), I dont like the precident. A government should fear its people, not the other way around. The rest of the world might not think the same way as the US when it comes to gun-control, search and seizure and other personal freedoms, but we are a unique group and value or way of life.