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...Allies...the 34thSS is coming, January 22nd.
------------------ 34th SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division Landstorm Nederland "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" [This message has been edited by Wolfshook (edited January 01, 2002).] |
Why should i pray again?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt. John Miller:
Why should i pray again? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Because he said so! ...lol... ------------------ "One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir'. I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed'. I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!' Now, there was a real man. A real soldier," -General George S. Patton- http://101stairbornemohaa.homestead....voc_test_1.gif Proud Member of the 101st Airborne! "Battered Bastards of Bastogne" |
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See the lower right hand picture in this mural? That's why. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif ------------------ 34th SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division Landstorm Nederland "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" |
ummm...ya....ahhh....ok...I really don't know what your getting at here.
------------------ "One of the bravest men that I ever saw was a fellow on top of a telegraph pole in the midst of a furious fire fight in Tunisia. I stopped and asked what the hell he was doing up there at a time like that. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, Sir'. I asked, 'Isn't that a little unhealthy right about now?' He answered, 'Yes Sir, but the Goddamned wire has to be fixed'. I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No, Sir, but you sure as hell do!' Now, there was a real man. A real soldier," -General George S. Patton- http://101stairbornemohaa.homestead....voc_test_1.gif Proud Member of the 101st Airborne! "Battered Bastards of Bastogne" |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr.Ziodberg:
Can't you see ??? The guy standing with his hands like he's explaining something is american... so are the 2 or 3 guys behind him, look at their hands, its on their heads. They have been captured, hence the "pray long, pray hard" Thoes americans in that picture are probably dead now, and no from old age... Why do you assume they were killed? They seem to be conventional U.S. soldiers who were captured by the enemy. They most likely became POW's and were sent to prisons and given decent treatment, just as German POW's were treated by the United States government. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> |
Sorry about that....that second paragraph is mine..not Dr. Ziodberg's
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Sorry, but I had to do this. I couldn't stop myself!
http://www.ele.uri.edu/ctc/images/post.jpg I mean no disrespect to the ppl that fought hard for the Axis in WWII who thought they were fighting for a good cause, BUT, if I were living in europe, and saw that poster, I would not want to join the Waffen SS! I mean who the hell came up with that poster! No wonder the lost. Thier PR dept. sucked! Just look at the faces of those men. Utter dispare comes to my mind. Tired and worn down. Once again, I'm just joking around. |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Colt:
OMG, look at that pic, the axis have a guitar, quick! Get the ear muffs! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> LOL, ear muffs. hehe ------------------ http://dba.gamepoint.net/images/1stmcd2.jpg 1st Infantry Division "The Big Red One" |
duh
its obvious he wants us to look out for really really bad smelly looking guys with spaced out teeth, who wield evil guitars and ride tanks! all of this WHILE having been taught how to please a man by a passing american "entertainer" ------------------ http://www.3rd.homestead.com/files/scott.jpg |
I'm sorry if you don't understand, really I am.
------------------ 34th SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division Landstorm Nederland "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" |
I'm laughing at you guys, please keep it up. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif This is who I will be playing against, oh my...*snickers*
------------------ 34th SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division Landstorm Nederland "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HaVoc:
ummm...ya....ahhh....ok...I really don't know what your getting at here. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Can't you see ??? The guy standing with his hands like he's explaining something is american... so are the 2 or 3 guys behind him, look at their hands, its on their heads. They have been captured, hence the "pray long, pray hard" Thoes americans in that picture are probably dead now, and no from old age... ------------------ Animis Opibusque Parati http://www.jagged.dk/sniper.jpg Det billede giver mig altid svedigt mellemkød... [This message has been edited by Dr.Ziodberg (edited January 02, 2002).] |
OMG, look at that pic, the axis have a guitar, quick! Get the ear muffs!
------------------ http://www.coltsigpic.freeservers.com/mohsig.jpg "The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill [This message has been edited by Colt (edited January 02, 2002).] |
I'll be on a server name Operation Market Garden tomorrow, all day. Look for it Wolf. The 504th(All 3 of us http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif ) will be waiting!
BTW, I like your site. Very nice! May you and your future comrades defend the Nederland galantly. ------------------ 3rd Battalion 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment 82nd Airborne Division "The Blue Devils" http://www.ele.uri.edu/ctc/images/3504thck.jpg [This message has been edited by 3/504th-Cpt.Knight (edited January 02, 2002).] |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Colt:
OMG, look at that pic, the axis have a guitar, quick! Get the ear muffs! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> If you read up on your history, you would know that the guitar playing wehrmacht soldiers, were the most feared soldiers in WW2. The high-pitched and sometimes low booming bass of their guitars could scare of or drive allied soldiers insane in minutes. The horrors of war my friend, the horrors... ------------------ Animis Opibusque Parati http://www.jagged.dk/sniper.jpg Det billede giver mig altid svedigt mellemkød... |
Eval guitar playing axis...
One question, Wolfshook, are you Dutch? Do you know what that poster sais, just in case you don't. In general it summons the dutch people to betray their country and join the waffenSS. ------------------ http://www.coltsigpic.freeservers.com/mohsig.jpg "The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill [This message has been edited by Colt (edited January 02, 2002).] |
The poster is simply a WW2 era recruiting poster for the Dutch, to join the Waffen SS. It tells them to join in the fight against Bolshevism. Who they fought for really doesn't matter, as I respect all WW2 veterans, no matter what country they fought for....Americans, Dutch, Russians, Japanese, English, etc.
The poster basically says,"Join in the fight against Bolshevism (or against Bolshevists), join the Waffen SS" They did this, and fought against what they perceived to be the greatest threat, at that time, to them...Communism. Looking back in history, can you say that those men who joined, and fought against the Russians, were not right? If you think they were wrong, then you didn't live through the Cold War. But, this is a game...and really, this thread was meant to be taken lightly, not seriously. Loosen up guys. ------------------ 34th SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division Landstorm Nederland "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" [This message has been edited by Wolfshook (edited January 02, 2002).] |
/me loosens up
One thing why I was kinda pissed off about this, the dutch waffen SS was also active in my town, my grandpa told me about them and what shit they pulled, so I was kinda pissed off. ------------------ http://www.coltsigpic.freeservers.com/mohsig.jpg "The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill |
Alot of Danes joined the Axis forces too, and alot joined the allies... When they made the choice they probably had their own ideas about what was going on, and none of them knew about the koncentration camps... The ppl who joined the waffen SS were joining to fight the communists... Not to kill jews or other ethnic minorities. The ones who fight the communist hardest in modern history is americans.
Everybody have their idelogical believes, they might be wrong, they might be right... you don't know all the facts, and you don't know if you were right or wrong, untill the last line has been written in the history book. I agree with Woolfshook, I respect everybody who have fought in any war, at any time, for any side... they did it because they had beliefs... ------------------ Animis Opibusque Parati http://www.jagged.dk/sniper.jpg Det billede giver mig altid svedigt mellemkød... |
Colt, I sincerely apologize if any Dutch Waffen SS committed atrocities to your family, or in the area you live.
They were not all like that, but there were men on all sides who did horrible things in WW2. I do not support such people, only those who fought with bravery in WW2. And there were Dutch WAffen SS, who were regular soldiers, who didn't commit atrocities. I hope you understand, I will respect you if you are still a little angry, however. ------------------ 34th SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division Landstorm Nederland "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" |
Oh My God, 3/504th-Cpt.Knight (or whatever your name is),
I love your edit! http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Seriously, I think those SS troops were the worst and most brainwashed of them all! And I want to do to them what the men of Easy Company did in 'Band of Brothers'! You know in episode 5 ‘Crossroads’, a whole company of SS troops is mowed down! Talk about a ‘Turkey Shoot’ hey! I would join any allied attack force to get those slimy bastards, good soldiers or not…NOW WHO’S WITH ME?!?!?! ***MI TROOPER*** -------------------------------------------- http://members.chello.nl/m.jarmohame...bob_sketch.jpg |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Colt:
OMG, look at that pic, the axis have a guitar, quick! Get the ear muffs! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ahahhaha |
Ok. So your saying that we have to pray for every single damn person that died, from any country or nation, during any era throughout history, just for the hell of it? Well shit, I gotta get caught up!
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i been praying long and hard and nothing happens!!!!!!!
Is my praying not good? ------------------ http://dellepro.dellhost.com/house/assault/sig.jpg |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wolfshook:
Yes, every Waffen SS soldier was brainwashed to fight for his country. That makes about as much sense as saying every American was brainwashed for doing the same thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Wolf, here's the way I see it. "Ok, lets join the Waffen SS to fight Communism, and while we're at it, we'll take over all of Europe, dispose of "unpure" ethinic groups and lie to our own people about what we are fighting for." Maybe brainwashed is to vague of a word to use, but you have to admit that they were lied to about what that were fighting for. Given false hope and empty dreams all because of one man's paranoia. I mean do you really think they were doing the right thing? ------------------ 3rd Battalion 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment 82nd Airborne Division "The Blue Devils" http://www.ele.uri.edu/ctc/images/3504thck.jpg |
The Waffen SS was no joke. They were some fuct up, psycho bastards! Feared and highly respected. And yes brainwashed, but most of the ppl there at that time were brainwashed under the Nazis.
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Fraggie wasnt spamming, he was just posting useless replies to boost his post count, the criminal...
Wait, I just did the same :P btw: lol @ 3/504th-Cpt.Knight's pic ------------------ http://www.coltsigpic.freeservers.com/mohsig.jpg "The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty." - Winston Churchill |
bEWare of the wrath of westfrontpunk!
-edited- EDIT: Stop that, i told u once! http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/mad.gif [This message has been edited by Skidrowpunk (edited January 04, 2002).] |
Yes, every Waffen SS soldier was brainwashed to fight for his country. That makes about as much sense as saying every American was brainwashed for doing the same thing.
I don't expect you guys to understand though...it would help if you read some about the Waffen SS before you made blatant generalizations of the military organization, however. ------------------ 34th SS-Freiwilligen-Grenadier-Division Landstorm Nederland "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Colt:
Fraggie wasnt spamming, he was just posting useless replies to boost his post count, the criminal... Wait, I just did the same :P btw: lol @ 3/504th-Cpt.Knight's pic <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> u just gave the defenicion of spamming dude.... ------------------ http://dba.gamepoint.net/images/Signature_2.jpg |
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I believe you answered your own question. Of course they believed in Hitler to a certain degree...how much each man did, no other man can say. It is not stretching things far, however, to say that they believed in what Hitler was saying about Communism.
They were lied to...I never said they weren't. Hitler was a sick man, and drove Germany into ruin. But, you cannot say that the people who believed in him, and fought for Germany, or their own country's within Germany's armed forces, were psychotic, brainwashed, or anything else. It's all a matter of what kind of culture you grown up in, and most people really don't understand what it was like for most Germans at that time. There were a lot of people, in other countries, who saw Germany, and Hitler, as uniting against a common foe...Communism. These people, whether intentionally or not, felt that whatever Hitler said, they felt that fighting for him was the best thing. They had two choices, fight for Germany, or fight against Germany. They all knew that fighting against Germany, meant fighting for the Allies, which mean fighting to aid Communism, because Russia was backed by every single Allied power, during WW2. It is not really as simple as saying they were brainwashed, or warmongers, or that they loved Hitler. It was a lot more complicated than that. For most Europeans, who volunteered to fight for Germany, whether it be in the Luftwaffe, Heer, WaffenSS, or Kriegsmarine, it was a easy choice, when you looked at Communist Russia, and all that they stood for. People really lose sight of the fact of the things that Russia did before, during, and after the war. Can you really say these men were wrong in making this choice? They were doing the right thing, in their own minds. I cannot judge a man's decisions, unless I know that man personally. I cannot ever know what it was like to grow up living in Europe, at that time. We all know what Hitler did during the war, sitting here in 2002. But, you cannot expect the people living during that time could even dream of that happening. Did any of you ever really think an airplane could plow into the WTC? Yet people talked about a terrorist act against the WTC all of the time. It's the same thing here. Of course Hitler used Anti-Semitic speaches, but do you expect that most people really thought that Hitler would go to such extremes to kill all Jewish people? The young men and women who ended up fighting for Germany, weren't listening to a radio out in the field, while they were getting their *** shot at. Some people are to blame, I'm not saying they aren't. Alot of German people did know what was going on, and didn't speak out. The Waffen SS were no better or worse than any other fighting force, for any other country. Allied forces committed atrocities, the same as German ones. Human beings are all the same, and the Waffen SS was no different. |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mi_trooper:
Oh My God, 3/504th-Cpt.Knight (or whatever your name is), I love your edit! http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Seriously, I think those SS troops were the worst and most brainwashed of them all! And I want to do to them what the men of Easy Company did in 'Band of Brothers'! You know in episode 5 ‘Crossroads’, a whole company of SS troops is mowed down! Talk about a ‘Turkey Shoot’ hey! I would join any allied attack force to get those slimy bastards, good soldiers or not…NOW WHO’S WITH ME?!?!?! ***MI TROOPER***<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> "SS troops were the worst and most brainwashed of them all!" hey thanks alot im in the SS! *note* see sig ------------------ http://dba.gamepoint.net/images/decoyz.jpg -Waffen SS- |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wolfshook:
It is not really as simple as saying they were brainwashed, or warmongers, or that they loved Hitler. It was a lot more complicated than that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm sorry to make you post such a long post Wolf. I do understand and agree with what you are saying, maybe I just didn't get it across in my short posts. I believe that most people are like sheep in the respect that we all need a shepard to follow. I'm sure that if I was living in Germany before WWII, in the horrible living conditions, starving and cold because of the shakles put upon my country by the rest of the world, I would listen to and follow a man who told me what I wanted to hear and made promises that he delivered. And I would join the WaffenSS, Kriegsmarine or other German miltary unit to fight for him. Who knows, I might have been one of the bastards turning the valve on for the gas chambers. But I wasn't and my family history makes me a little angry at the Nazis. My family is from Poland. Yes, we were the retards that charged the Blitzkreg tanks on horseback. (But you have to admit, that took some balls!) My father was born in 1940 and lived in Warsaw. Now there are two things that make me snap sometimes at people who seem to exhalt what the Nazis did. The first is the fact that 6 million Poles were killed by the Nazis. Yes, 6 million and the reason people don't hear about that is because they were killed by firing squad and not in gas chambers. They were not taken to concentration camps. They were forced out of thier villages and lined up in front of pits, which they dug, and then they were shot and buried. The next day, German families would be trucked in to live in the newly unoccupied homes. The second is that my father's oldest memory is of when he was three years old. He remembers himself screaming out of a second story window at his father, my grandfather, as the Nazis shoved him into a truck. He was being taken to Germany to work in a labor camp. My grandfather built bridges and buildings for the Germans and when the war was over, he when to the US. I can't even begin to understand the how traumatizing that event was for my father. Please dont get me wrong Wolf, I know you are not holding high the atrocites that the Nazis did and I in no way am exhalting the atrocites done against the Germans by Allied forces. I just want you to understand where I come from. I understand, respect and agree with your point of view and I hope that we are friends. Sorry about this moderators. I think this thread got a little off topic. http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif ------------------ 3rd Battalion 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment 82nd Airborne Division "The Blue Devils" http://www.ele.uri.edu/ctc/images/3504thck.jpg [This message has been edited by 3/504th-Cpt.Knight (edited January 04, 2002).] |
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Decoy:
"SS troops were the worst and most brainwashed of them all!" hey thanks alot im in the SS! *note* see sig <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> And I'm a Pokemon master! You're not in the actual SS. Can I at least see a website that can prove to me that such a clan exists? Anyway, you are not brainwashed since you don't live in the 30's and the 40's and in Germany. ------------------ http://matrixturkey.homestead.com/files/titsfortots.jpg If you're so good at being a lesbian, then why do you turn me on? -Steve Carell(The Daily Show) YOUR FAVORITE BAND SUCKS!!!!!!! - Me. http://matrixturkey.homestead.com/files/sean.jpg |
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