Pre-Revolutions thoughts and theory discussion *SPOILERS*
 

I can only hope that Zion is another level of the Matrix: I abhor the idea that Neo has super ESP abilities in the real world.

For the nay-sayers: a multi-leveled Matrix is an obvious assumption, but if I were an A.I., I would definitely include it as a safeguard. Besides, the MWAM theory doesn't exclude the possibility of a prior, all-out war between the machines and humans in the real world: the multi-leveled design is just another way of tightening the grip around our necks.

... and all this is assuming we humans didn't actually destroy the machines from the get-go through EMP weapons. How much ***king weaker could the machines be ? It's such an important vulnerability that I fail to see how humans would not have exploited it to meet their goal of destroying the AIs.

... and that, my friends, is assuming such a thing as a war between AI and man has actually occured. I wouldn't be surprised to see an ExistenZ style cop-out.

In any case, "rest Neo... the answers are coming."

What are your thoughts on what will happen in Revolutions ?

I understand 4 words in Slois post.

Well, from the previews I recall the Oracle saying that Neo is stuck in a place between the real world and the matrix. I believe this may have something to do with Neo being able to use his EMP abilities in Zion.

I think I get to see Revolutions Monday night. If not I should see it Tues. I'm pretty sure i'll see it before it opens, like I did with Reloaded.

LOL, hmm
I think Neo is only partially aware of his own existence, probably another matrix in the matrix, i guess that would make it 1 matrix? oOo:
Maybe the matrix stoped the machines that were gonna attack Neo because it realized it needed Neo because agent Smith was gonna mes everything up? So the machines ask Neo to take care of Smith? I dunno i really have no clue eek:

what ever it is. its not a dream or a drug trip. We've been told its nothign like that. But what if its a kid writing a story or playing a game, maybe is a movie inside of a movie. think outside of the box we call "the screen"

revolutuions so soon.

this wedsnday

I agree, but that would be a cop-out. For example: in the end, we could see
Neo wake up to the ticking sound of characters on his computer monitor:

Wake up Neo...

The Matrix has you...

Knock knock.

oOo:

And his friend comes in with this cool, wireless gizmo called a Matrix hacker
tool. :P

Maybe Neo dies. ed:

Reviews have been coming in, and it has been mentioned that their isn't a Matrix within a Matrix. the logical assumption is that New has brought a part of Agent Smith with him into the real world, much like Smith did with Neo when he destroyed Smith in the first movie.

I predict it to own lol.

The reviews that are online right now are bullocks. If they aren't, the movie
has taken a turn for the worse: by taking the other way (going against all of
the logical assumptions to provide a "Fresh" ending) they make themselves
even more predictable. It would be ironic...

I don't like the idea that Mr. Anderson suddenly possesses ESP in the real
world because a part of Mr. Smith's code has integrated itself to his. Also, I
really don't like the idea that Smith could just wipe Bane's consciousness to
replace it with his in the, once again, real world. I strongly suspect the Zion
world to be another section/level of the Matrix.

If not, I hope they all die biggrin:

hmm[/u]

This is what I gathered from the trailers. Neo is trapped between both the Matrix and the reality world. Because of this, his powers have come through from the Matrix to the real world, and have made him much like the machines: A weapon of unstoppable power. (Who can also shoot EMP's out of his arse.)

Anyways, I cant say exactly what I expect, but I hope its good.

[quote="Bazooka_Joe":14a58]This is what I gathered from the trailers. Neo is trapped between both the Matrix and the reality world. Because of this, his powers have come through from the Matrix to the real world, and have made him much like the machines: A weapon of unstoppable power. (Who can also shoot EMP's out of his arse.)

Anyways, I cant say exactly what I expect, but I hope its good.[/quote:14a58]

Here's the rub: assuming he's in Mobil Avenue the moment he falls
unconscious after triggering his own EMP, this implies that quite a big
connection exists between the Matrix, the buffer world (Mobil Avenue)
and the Zion world. Instantly, one should come to the conclusion that
it's all a big VR world: the idea that Mr. Zero has a wireless connection
to the Matrix while in the real world, with ESP (batteries not included),
is even more farfetched than my earlier prediction about simply being
ESP in the desert of the real.

I suppose he wakes up from the coma and THEN, at some point in the
movie, falls into the buffer world: this would save them from the shit I
wrote above...

The reviews I have seen so far have just about erased any interest I have had in the series. I have found the dabate of the story line much more interesting than I found the actual movie, at least for reloaded. Hopefully I will be wrong.

I don't understand one thing about the whole Matrix series:

how could a bunch of chip-heads beat us humans at what we do best: make war and kill stuff.

OK OK
Here's my take on events.

We all saw Agent Smith infect that guy and then Agent Smith went from the Matrix into the real world (there is no matrix within a matrix that notion is just too simple and lame). Hence Agent Smith has some influence over humans (given certain conditions). This was most probably due to the tussle he and Neo had in The Matrix (film).

Therefore, Neo must have some kind of influence over machines. How far that influecnce extends...we don't know yet.

Get it? Smith has influence over humans. Neo has influence over machines.

Oh yeah and Neo is the first "Chosen One" to chose the door that he did (left or right I can't bloody remember)

I believwe he chose the door on the right. Riht in both ways, the direction and as in right or wrong. I also think you have caught on to something. It makes sence that everyone else would go let and sav ethe world and sacrafice the person they loved. However neo chose love over saving the world(what an asshat). Build off of this or shoot it down. w/e you want

do you guys think they'll be a Matrix 4? Something after revolutions?

hopefully not. All good things dont last. Therefore the matrix better end or it will suck

[quote="Airborne Butters":11d33]do you guys think they'll be a Matrix 4? Something after revolutions?[/quote:11d33]

It's a trilogy, which means 3, so no. I gurantee you 100% that they will not make a fourth. The Wachowski brothers made this as a three part film. Their not going to add on another part just because it made money.

Ive seen some previews and it looks great. When does it come out again? Oh, btw, ninty, when r u seeing it early cuz I want to know what happpens so ill pm you when you do see it.

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god another gay matrix movie

what i've heard is that is the worst of the trilogy. People are saying that the first one was the best and it goes downhill from there. But thats not to say it sucks. I mean, its still an awesome movie. And to put everything together, I think most people will be satisfied. but theres no huge car chase, or huge battle scene, which I think is what everyone was hoping for. And i'm sure lots of people will die. Rember this film repersents death. Reloaded = life, matrix = birth. I think they've said a main character dies too, not sure though.

Neo and Agent Smith have buttsecks

why dont you just wait until wednesday when it comes out....then all of this needless spectulation and "nerding" will happily have dropped to page 60 in this forum. wait till it comes out, then discuss amoungst yourselves...ill give you a topic "grape nuts are neither grapes, nor nuts"

eek: rock:

is is true that the the lady who played the Oracle is dead?

Yeah, she died inbetween filming the second and third movies.

She wasn't in the game and shes not in revolutions. They replaced her with Mary Alice.

OMG now that I have the third matrix i can't believe both Neo and Trinity DIE in the end! DAMMIT!

way to say the ending faggot

omfg why the fuck didnt you say SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf you just ruined the F**&(()*& movie you dick. WARN US you dumb shit.

[quote="[MOD]Gen.WikiWeaponn":496e2]OMG now that I have the third matrix i can't believe both Neo and Trinity DIE in the end! DAMMIT![/quote:496e2]

I knew better than to keep reading this thread till I saw
it. If your telling the truth GG fucktardenstein.... mad:

if thats really how it ends we will never know until we've seen the movie guys. If that is how it ends, im sry for bringing this topic back up but i was just curious about the oracle. angel: may she R. I. P

Just came back from the movie...

If you have questions, I will answer them.

You know, her real name wasn't the oracle. oOo:

I've heard that Revolutions is the worst in the trilogy. Thoughts?

Does Revolutions satisfy your Matrix needs and answer your questions?

what happened to Neo? Did he die or did the machines keep him with them? What was Sati and how did she create the sunny sky at the end of the film? Her father told Neo that every program in the Matrix should have a purpose but he created Sati only to be beautiful. How did she create the sunny sky then?

Why was the Oracle lying on the ground after the battle between Neo and Smith?

So the machines freed every human being that was connected to the Matrix, right?
Oh and I almost forgot, how did they destroy Smith? I thought they tricked him but I was hoping someone would explain it for me.

[quote="Sergeant_Scrotum":204ad]what happened to Neo? Did he die or did the machines keep him with them? What was Sati and how did she create the sunny sky at the end of the film? Her father told Neo that every program in the Matrix should have a purpose but he created Sati only to be beautiful. How did she create the sunny sky then?

Why was the Oracle lying on the ground after the battle between Neo and Smith?

So the machines freed every human being that was connected to the Matrix, right?
Oh and I almost forgot, how did they destroy Smith? I thought they tricked him but I was hoping someone would explain it for me.[/quote:204ad]

From what i gathered, although the ending was extremely confusing and left alot of unanswered questions, Sati i believe is supposed to be another oracle which is how she told Seriff those things and how she created the sky. Neo i dont think is dead but im not sure it just doesnt seem like he is.
The Oracle is lying on the ground after the battle because smith took her body but he was destroyed so now shes free. I have no idea how Smith was destroyed. It seemed to me that the Oracle was trying to get out because Smith says something that the Oracle said in the begining of the film. I have no idea though.

I don't see it in terms of best or worst. Rather, I ask myself: does it answer
the questions I want them to and does it take me to the next step ? I really
gave Revolutions a chance but the Brothers took the easy way out. Pussies.

It doesn't satisfy me at all: I was expecting a MINDFUCK ending but they
gave us pussywillows instead. I would have been satisfied if Neo saved us
but in doing so, shut down the machines that took care of feeding perceptual
information to brains in vats. It would have ended with the machines turning
off and everything/everyone dying. What a delicious irony ...