Evolution/Religion/God etc.
 

Yeah, this topic again.

Anyway, I was looking on globeandmail.com which is a national newspaper in Canada and I took a look at a poll located here:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... VoteResult

Keep in mind that this paper is quite "liberal" so those who read it are already biased. I don't read this paper because I don't like it, but I like to read their polls. The poll indicated 51% said they didn't believe in God. This is of course not scientific in any way, since its just an internet poll, but I do think its got some bearing. Take it for what its worth.

I then remembered that something like 91% of Americans believe in some sort of God. Now that seems like a HUGE discrepancy to me. I mean, we're not all that different from each other weather anybody likes it or not, or so we think.

Take a look at these links:

http://www.pollingreport.com/religion.htm

That first question baffles me. 60% think the story of Noah is literal? 60% believe that Noah went out and gathered 2 of every animal and got on a ship and survived a flood?

This is the problem with religion. I have no problems with the stories. These are great for teaching good vs. bad and those sorts of things, but the message needs to get out that these are stories, and did not actually happen. The story of Adam and Eve is just an explanation for the beginning of man, not actually what happened necessarily. I think that this mentality sort of leads to a blind eye to everything else. Dismissing everything else because what the bible says is literal and the only way things can be done.

And 42% said that the bible is actually the word of God. I pretty sure that God himself didn't write the bible, but men "interpreting" God's will did.

If nothing else, I find it a really interesting read.

As for the Evolution theory:

http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/curre ... l-poll.htm

Here is also another good read:

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ ... RTM0011021


Discuss. rock:

well, God spoke to most the writers in the Bible, so yeah, they were interprating from him. As for the stories being real or just explantions, i dont know, i mean, i beleive in God, and if i am right, and he is as powerful, then maybe some of the things really did happen.

people are strange. I'm more liberal than conservative because the GST tax was the stupidest thing ever. But I read toronto sun cuz it's the least liberal and the best leaf coverage ever.

I should have been a little clearer but supposedly the old testament is stories about life etc. and the new testament is supposed to be actual stuff. What I'm talking about is people taking the old testament literally, not the whole Jesus thing.

If I made a mistake there, please let me know.

Wouldn't liberals be more in support of taxes? It was it Mulroney who intorduced the GST right, and yeah their conservative, but isn't the liberal ideals more to do with taxes than conservatives?

After any politician saw the benefits of the GST tax, they will never abolish it. All of them are greedy, at least the liberals are more ontario and quebec sided.

Who cares? Christianity is the biggest waste of time ever. Unless you wanna understand Biblical allusions in modern literature, don't bother.

Paganism is cool because it combines evolution/humans-are-just-a-part-of-nature with Deities.

I believe in a God who created everything, but as for the Christian God, I dont believe any amount of guideance the bible should give me. To me, the bible was written by sexist, prude, and greedy men who became corrupted by power and used the power of the church to forge an empire that commanded the kingdoms of the middle ages. Do I believe that Jesus was the son of God? Probably not, he was probably one of those men you see on street corners. To me, any organized religion itself is a group of fanatics whose followers are people who have surrendered their God given ability to think for themselves. I am my own religion.

[quote="Recycled Spooge":52f9f]Who cares? Christianity is the biggest waste of time ever. Unless you wanna understand Biblical allusions in modern literature, don't bother.[/quote:52f9f]

It feels good to sheeple though... Behhhhhhh.

a "god" acts with too much randomness these days.....he doesn't seem to pay much attnetion to the middle east rolleyes:

The bible is about as historically accurate as the Hitler Diaries, the books were written about 100 years or so after Jesus death & even then they were edited many times by different people etc. & as for Jesus, people were ignorant of science etc back then & there's crackpots around today who have epillectic (sp) fits &tc & believe they are God. Perhaps this Jesus chap was just another crackpot who thought he was God & manage to convince the disciples.

I rate the Old Testament much more than I do the New Testament as the Old Testament, especially the creation stories, are taken from the earliest written accounts known to man "Enuma Elish. This was written 2,000 years before the bible yet it is overwhelmingly similar to Genesis. & the pattern of the creation story is repeated throughout nature. The New Testament, on the other hand & IMHO, is merely an account on how to live a good Christian life according to the stories of Jesus.

It is probably best to study a number of religions if you are serious about believing in God &tc, rather than just going along with all that hillbilly christian, happy clappy, bullsh&t. Just because everyone else believes in God you have too, it is far better to come to this conclusion yourself from study rather than "Divine Intervention". The Greeks believed in & were willing to die for their Gods & so were the Vikings. When's the last time you saw someone offering a prayer to Zeus & Thor? If these Gods are wrong why the hell should Jesus be right? We are only Christian because our belief was spread & defended by the sword & that's a fact.

I don't deny that there could be a higher being (God, or Gods) because there is no concrete proff to deny that;
however a literal interpretation of the Bible, Koran, etc. is so full of contradictions to scientific facts that these interpretations cannot be true in literal interpretation.

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":c7517]Whens the last time you saw someone offering a prayer to Zeus & Thor?[/quote:c7517]

My coven worships Thanatos, Moros, Ares, Athena, Bellona, Janus, Mars, Juno, Luna, Freyr, Hel, Odin, Anubis, Hathor, Osiris and a few others that I can't remember off the top of my head.

Greek, Roman, Norse, and Egyptian deities are all honored in Wicca.

stupid:

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":d47c5]stupid:[/quote:d47c5]

oOo:

Soz, just thought it was a bit wierd worshipping Greek Gods...

So what's the attraction with, paganism I take it? I'm the narrow minded type that would think that people who worshipped the undead etc were Goths or something & would only do it because it's "cool" or because all their friends do it &tc. By all means prove me wrong, but I find this so bizarre I just don't understand & can't think of any other reason why. Is it because it's trendy & different? It's in fashion? Peer pressure? Or do you generally worship & believe in Pagan/Greek Gods? Pagan woship is the Devil ya?

[quote="Fluffy_Bunny":202e5]Soz, just thought it was a bit wierd worshipping Greek Gods...

So what's the attraction with, paganism I take it? I'm the narrow minded type that would think that people who worshipped the undead etc were Goths or something & would only do it because it's "cool" or because all their friends do it &tc. By all means prove me wrong, but I find this so bizarre I just don't understand & can't think of any other reason why. Is it because it's trendy & different? It's in fashion? Peer pressure? Or do you generally worship & believe in Pagan/Greek Gods? Pagan woship is the Devil ya?[/quote:202e5]

Those are all common misconseptions. Most Pagans are not goths. And if a they were goth, usually give up the look or give up the religion. Paganism has nothing to do with the undead or Satan. Paganism is symply any polythesistic religion(including Hinduism and Buddhism). Almost all Pagan religions are heavily Earth based, meaning all parts of the universe are equal parts of nature and should be treated accordingly. There is nothing dark or evil about any aspect of it. Also becoming a Wicca is a choice that one can make only by themselves. It does require alot of work so anyone that was pressured to join usually drops the religion within the first year. Wicca is completely open ended. You can worship any Deities you want along with the God and Goddess. Some former Christians choose to worship Abraham's God along with other Deities. Also Pagans do not believe in any sort of devil/evil diety.

I hope that helped to explain Paganism a little. Any other questions?

I myself am agnostic which means that I dont follow any religion but I still believe that their is a God. I cant understand people who think that there is no god and they call themselves atheist. There has to be some higher power who created the universe. It all had to come from somewhere, and yes science can explain the earths creation, but what about before that. Like was said before, the bible only tells stories that shouldnt be taken literally. I dont criticize anyone for believing in a religion but it annoys me when they try to push their religion and beliefs on other people which I think alot of Christians do. The rest of my family are Catholics, yet they dont go to church and from what I see they dont pray. How can you call yourself anything if you dont practice what the religion is based on. And Ive never told them that im agnostic because I know that they would try to convert me back to Catholicism. Believe in what you want but dont force your beliefs on me.

Isn't a antagonist one that not necessarialy believes there is a hgher being, but sees no proof for it, and no proof against it?

Thats how I basically see religion and spiritual stuff.

An antagonist is the character in a novel that opposes the protagonist...im not sure thats the word your looking for.

Error on my part. What's the plural for agnostic?

Anyway:

ag·nos·tic
n.

One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

[quote="Bean 2":b15b6]I myself am agnostic which means that I dont follow any religion but I still believe that their is a God. I cant understand people who think that there is no god and they call themselves atheist. There has to be some higher power who created the universe. It all had to come from somewhere, and yes science can explain the earths creation, but what about before that. Like was said before, the bible only tells stories that shouldnt be taken literally. I dont criticize anyone for believing in a religion but it annoys me when they try to push their religion and beliefs on other people which I think alot of Christians do. The rest of my family are Catholics, yet they dont go to church and from what I see they dont pray. How can you call yourself anything if you dont practice what the religion is based on. And Ive never told them that im agnostic because I know that they would try to convert me back to Catholicism. Believe in what you want but dont force your beliefs on me.[/quote:b15b6]

a higher power creating the universe is beyond comprehension and is only a dream. it would totally deny all scientific findings to this date. how can you believe in something that doesn't exist or doesn't matter? and why need to worship something when it doesn't seem to give you benefits. (my opinion) if a god really paid attention to everyone, then why do good people die? (oh it was just his/her time) oOo:

[quote="Bean 2":8cdda]An antagonist is the character in a novel that opposes the protagonist...im not sure thats the word your looking for.[/quote:8cdda]

Haha thought the same thing.

I like quoting

I find it hard to believe that a person we havent heard from in 2000 years put us here. Science has disproved the Bible wrong soo many times. All the bible says is were Geocentric (everything revolves around the Earth), well people in Greek times found discoveries that we are in fact Heliocentric (Everything revolves around the sun). Well people will believe anything spoon fed to them when they are poor, uneducated and miserable.

Id like to believe that there is a god looking out for me and watching me but it's often hard to believe that he's sitting up there watching the Human race destroy its self.

[quote="Old Reliable":3c979]
if a god really paid attention to everyone, then why do good people die? (oh it was just his/her time) oOo:[/quote:3c979]Well, i know this is a mistake by making a refrence to this but i'll do it anyway. Ever see Bruce Almighty? Well, Jim Carey basically gives everyone what they want. Because of that, all hell breaks out. Example: Thousands of people prayed to win the lottery, and they all won--> give everyone $17 since they all "technically" had the winning ticket. Then they got all pissed off and started riots, etc. That's one stupid little incident. Think about what would happen if God made "peace" on Earth. It wouldn't be Earth then. What would the point of Heaven be if it was already on Earth? Overpopulation would cause havoc on the world's supplies and it would cause more hardships---so by killing people now through small conflicts (and/or world wars), it reduces the severity of later occurances.

May I ask if any of you people saw the one show on Discovery about Noah's Ark being true? They believe that it could have happened in the Mesopotamia (sp?) region. Scientists do believe that a large flood occured in that area. A large boat could have easily been built to carry all the animals of the known world for them, not the entire Earth. There is flaw in the text about the Noah's Ark story, but some of us look at it from a 'present-day' perspective. If you look at it from thousands of years ago, it does make sense.

Some of you already knew that I'm a hardcore Catholic. We believe that the Bible was written by man, but it is the word of the Lord. Here's everything more in detail. We recite it during every mass:

[quote:3c979]The Nicene Creed
We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.


[/quote:3c979]

We believe that the humans wrote down what God told them to write. It might not have been word for word of God though. Remember that Translations over the years changes the accuracy of the text as well. (I'm not saying that this makes up for the facts that have been proven wrong).

Re: Evolution/Religion/God etc.
 

Acually scientists believe the Human race was started by 1 male and 1 female, like we started as monkeys and all, but there was just 1 group of these monkey things that evolved in its own way away from the others and eventually 1 male and 1 female were created and they 2 started the human race, so Adam and Eve is probaly one of the more easier to understand stories.
I know I believe what my religion tells me Ive been touched by God before and because of this I dont ask "Why?" I just do what my religion tells me, I wouldnt care if the Pope said that Jesus was an alien or somethin wierd like that and Id believe...thats just my religion though and how I believe.
Internet polls are biased though, I find a lot more athiests on the enternet then I find Christians and I find more Christians in public life then I find athiests...sont know why...
I need to ask my Priest about wether or not all that is in the Bible is true or is just a way of stories so ppl understand better, I know certain Christian groups believe different things about the Bible and I forgot what Catholics believe...

EDIT:
I so hope this doesnt turn into another religion bashing thread that gets locked...

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Re: Evolution/Religion/God etc.
 

[quote="Pvt.Pinhead":c5505]Acually scientists believe the Human race was started by 1 male and 1 female, like we started as monkeys and all, but there was just 1 group of these monkey things that evolved in its own way away from the others and eventually 1 male and 1 female were created and they 2 started the human race, so Adam and Eve is probaly one of the more easier to understand stories.
I know I believe what my religion tells me Ive been touched by God before and because of this I dont ask "Why?" I just do what my religion tells me, I wouldnt care if the Pope said that Jesus was an alien or somethin wierd like that and Id believe...thats just my religion though and how I believe.
Internet polls are biased though, I find a lot more athiests on the enternet then I find Christians and I find more Christians in public life then I find athiests...sont know why...
I need to ask my Priest about wether or not all that is in the Bible is true or is just a way of stories so ppl understand better, I know certain Christian groups believe different things about the Bible and I forgot what Catholics believe...

EDIT:
I so hope this doesnt turn into another religion bashing thread that gets locked...[/quote:c5505]I'm not sure where you get your information about evolution of 1 and 1. But, if i'm not mistaken, i think you need atleast 40 "animals" to create a new species. If everything started from 1 male and 1 female, then everyone would basically be retarded due to incest.

then what happens to people who believe in different gods stupid:

[quote="Old Reliable":23cdd]then what happens to people who believe in different gods stupid:[/quote:23cdd]there is tolerance and mercy. People who don't know any better do have a chance to get into heaven. Unbaptized babies that die go to "limbo" which is almost identical to heaven.

and where is heaven located, how does a thing get there. this is getting less realistic

Theres no way any organism is going to start out at 1 - 1.

Humans as we are know today are descendants from Cromags{sp} who lived before us preceding the ice age. They survived the Ice age but then for some unknown reason died off. We were spawned from them some 30,000 years ago if I remember correctly. Upright walking "men" have been around for over a million years on earth. Even them would not have started out 1-1. The first land creature to come out of the sea would have started animals on land, and we would have come from that. Organisms develop and this would have taken thousands of years to create a few hundred "monkeys" (their not monkeys, but there were a bunch of "monkey" type races before humans but I can't reember any of the names of them right now) wich would eventually develop into the Cromags and then into us. There's no way that 1 -1 theory could work. It's scientifically impossible.

If your interested, I suggest "Walking with Cavemen". This is a great look at our existence from a scientific perspective, that is impossible to dispute no matter what you believe. Its a mini series that was aired last year. Very cool stuff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/cavemen/

As for the incest thing, even if it was 1-1 after thousands of year that wouldn't have mattered. you start out with 1-1 and maybe until you reach a few thousand people after maybe a few hundred years those will be effected by it, but I doubt much after that. I can gurantee that if we were started like that, we would not be suffering the effects 30,000 years later. those things weed themselves out over time.

[quote="Old Reliable":47065]and where is heaven located, how does a thing get there. this is getting less realistic[/quote:47065]There is no answer for that question. Heaven and religion are based of faith--that's half the problem with people these days imo. Others think that people are brainwashed if they have faith--that's perfectly a legit thought though. Faith is something that you can "blindly" walk into. I've chosen to take on faith. Others haven't and it's their choice...there's nothing I can do to give people faith.

I am Christ, worship me.

[quote="Old Reliable":27aa4][quote="Bean 2":27aa4]I myself am agnostic which means that I dont follow any religion but I still believe that their is a God. I cant understand people who think that there is no god and they call themselves atheist. There has to be some higher power who created the universe. It all had to come from somewhere, and yes science can explain the earths creation, but what about before that. Like was said before, the bible only tells stories that shouldnt be taken literally. I dont criticize anyone for believing in a religion but it annoys me when they try to push their religion and beliefs on other people which I think alot of Christians do. The rest of my family are Catholics, yet they dont go to church and from what I see they dont pray. How can you call yourself anything if you dont practice what the religion is based on. And Ive never told them that im agnostic because I know that they would try to convert me back to Catholicism. Believe in what you want but dont force your beliefs on me.[/quote:27aa4]

a higher power creating the universe is beyond comprehension and is only a dream. it would totally deny all scientific findings to this date. how can you believe in something that doesn't exist or doesn't matter? and why need to worship something when it doesn't seem to give you benefits. (my opinion) if a god really paid attention to everyone, then why do good people die? (oh it was just his/her time) oOo:[/quote:27aa4]

The universe in itself is beyond comprehension but science has no explanation for when it all began. Something had to be created to start a chain reaction to forge the universe. So who created that first thing that sparked the chain reaction. Im sure it wasnt put there out of nowhere. Someone or something had to create at least the beginning of the universe. And who has proven that god doesnt exist? No one. And to answer your question on why good people die...Ive often asked myself this question. But you have to realize that no person is truely good. Yes there are people that are better then others but everyone sins. No man is perfect so according to this no person is really good. Christians believe that the only perfect man is Jesus, which like i said before, I dont believe. I dont deny the existence of Jesus, I just dont believe he is the son of God.

[quote="Old Reliable":06a62]and where is heaven located, how does a thing get there. this is getting less realistic[/quote:06a62]

No living thing goes to heaven...ur soul does..and heaven and hell are from what I believe more of a fealing then a place...not necesarily a place were u walk around and go to God and say wasup, I dont know how to explain it, just have faith and youll understand. And from what Colman was saying, no one know who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell, we only know for a fact that Saints go to heaven, everyone else we want to believe goes to heaven but we arent truly sure, I was told a story once about this:

There was a man, a very religous man who lead a good life, caring for ppl and believing, but he often didnt have time to go to church weekly or say prayers, because he always said he was too busy and only went a few times a month. So years later this man dies and when hes in line at heavens gate (this is just so u understand better, I doubt theres really a line were God says ur n heaven or not) and when it gets to the mans turn God says to him "Hmm...Im sorry but I dont see your name on the list..." astonished the man asks why, he lead a religous life, and God simply answers, "I was always meaning to add your name, but I never seemed to have time..."

So really, u kinda have to be more then just say, I believe in God to acually go to heaven...know one really know who will go to heaven and who wont...

Well, keeping the Sabbath holy is one of the first 5 commandments.

pyro sucks cock

Never have I ever met someone who thought they were perfect, until I met that little cock sucker. Hop over the boarder and Ill shut your mouth, you whinney little envious CUNT.

I want to be a Canaanite. rock:

delete that gay vampire boy.