That was weird!!!
 

Seeing John Kerry and George Bush shake hands

they didnt shake hands thats just liberal propaganda!

lol, i love debates

lol debates. its on in the other room. id rather watch the jibjab cartoon. its no different.

Both of my parents are watching the debate and so am I. We don't even live in the US. I like watching debates. I'd rather watch a Canadian debate though.

but...

I NEED HOCKEY

I guess thats why I bought Calgary Hitmen WHL season tickets.

i dont like WATCHING debate, but i love arguing.

ditto.
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anyone ever do debates in school?
i keep seeing Bush and Kerry write stuff on a peice of paper afert they finish a question, why are they doing this?

rebuttles and such. just points they want to make. it makes it better to write things down so you don't forget your point.

It's funny watching their facial expressions when the other guy is talking.

its all yack yak yack. bush keeps repeating himself, and acting as if he is president of iraq not america

did you notice Bush stuttering a bit in some of this answers biggrin:

whos winning? hellfire: VIVA LA BUSH

Kerry is a better public speaker, but Bush will still win the election, no matter how many times he repeats himself.

Bush is getting his ass handed to him.


Not suprising given his past speeches.

Bush seems pissed biggrin:

yea im changing my vote to kerry, he made an interesting point. What about America? Bush kept talking about Iraq. but what about America?

Man.. I don't see how you guys could possibly think Bush lost that debate oOo:

Bush brought up a good point that everyone seems to ignore: What is going to happen to troop morale when their Commander in Chief is someone who belittled and undermined the people he fought with in Vietnam, making sweeping comments and labeling everyone who fought as a criminal. He's been running around telling everyone how bad the war is and how wrong Bush was and how we shouldn't be there. Then he admitted, when called out, that he couldn't promise to have the troops out within 6 months or even a year. So now we have soldiers in Iraq under a Commander in Chief who is running around saying that their presence is not only pointless, but is wrong on a basic moral level.

Yeah, that'll work out great.

jesus. you think you were voting for a president not a general sleeping:


kerry buttfucked bush on all fours. you could see how bush couldnt answer sometimes and had to think, and got a bit mad.

I'd have to disagree with you on that one.

Oh yeah, because the morale of our soldiers abroad is more important than
what's going on at home.

The Zombie vs. the Retard... who was the winnar? signs say the zombie.

Kerry: So and so is buying equipment off the internet to send to their son in Iraq

Bush: Then why did you vote against 87 billion for what the troops need.


-that right there says alot to this undecided voter. Kerry was much more aggressive and had more material than Bush did so on that level Kerry wins that aspect of the debate. But i think Bush won on points and retorts made to whatever Kerry was saying. Score 1 point for Kerry with the armed N. Korea and Iran comment though....Bush admin screwed the pooch on that whole "Axis of Evil" shit...and was it me or is Bush a mind reader? "I know how these leaders think. I know how so an so acts." Comes of a bit arrogant IMHO. IN the end id say Bush won but Kerry held steady and wont be swept away...most of you little shits havent even voted before so if you are eligible...dont believe the hype and make your own INFORMED decision. eek:

Tell you what, anyone who isn't 18 be quiet, because you can't vote and you don't count. There is a reason you can't vote, and the fact that more than half of all registered users on PunkVoter and MoveOn.org are under the age of SIXTEEN is a perfect example of why. Once you have a diploma and a basic Government/Econ course, then you may speak.

That being said:

If Kerry is President, he's going to first of all completely undermine the morale in the military. I don't care whether you think the President should be involved in the military or not (in reference to the General comment, considering the President is the Commander in Chief, highest rank in the US Military oOo: )

Next, he wants to bring about universal healthcare. Are you kidding me? First of all, I don't want to have to sit on a two week waiting list while my upper respiratory infection turns into a lower respiratory infection and maybe pneumonia. Our healthcare system works great in motivating the best doctors in the world to work in our hospitals and really take care of their patients. If anything needs to be done here, Medicare and Medicaid need some tweaking.

Kerry thinks he is going to get some huge coalition in Iraq to help out just because it's him asking? Yeah right. He needs to get a clue and realize that other countries aren't in Iraq because their citizens don't want to be there. The single fact that it would be him asking and not Bush is not going to change that. And people call Bush arrogant.

So let's talk about education. The NCLBA has levied standard achievement levels for every school in the nation. That's bad? Maybe standardized testing isn't the best method ever, but no method is perfect. And when you've got 8th graders who can't even read, let alone complete basic math functions, someone has to do something. The schools weren't doing anything and the states weren't doing anything, so someone had to do something.

How about jobs? Bush will become the first President since Hoover to lose jobs during his term. Now, put this in perspective. The nearly simultaneous Dot Com Crash and Tech Crash take place before Bush even takes office. Economic growth grinds to a halt and begins a downward trend. During the next three months, beginning before Bush even took office, hundreds of thousands of jobs are lost. Bush inherited a recession and a huge loss in the job sector. The guarantee of Bush's tax cuts helps to float consumer confidence and keep the economy from free-falling into recession. Then, after less than a year in office, President Bush is faced with the worst attack on United States soil since Pearl Harbor. The stock market free-falls. In the next three months, due to an event entirely out of Bush's hands, hundreds of thousands of jobs are lost. Then it comes out that several Fortune 500 companies have been cheating on the books. Already low consumer confidence spirals downward. Fast-forward to 2004. The DNC is leading a spearhead in the media to say that Bush is bad on the economy. So creating 1.7 million jobs in a single year and managing to see growth in the GDP despite inheriting a recession and the worst stock market crash of modern times is bad on the economy? Give me a break. Take an economics course.

How about the U.N.? I don't even need to go into detail here. The UN is a joke. Show me one nation on the Security Council that is a "team player" and not looking out for Number One first? Yeah right. It's an international pissing contest and we drank the most beer last night. The UN won't/can't enforce its own decades-old sanctions on a dozen countries around the world. Let's not even mention that most UN peace-keeping forces are composed of OVER 60% American forces. We have every right to have some sway. The majority of its security forces are comprised of OUR military. Their pretty building is on OUR soil. The largest contribution to the UN comes from OUR country. I think we'd be better off to bail out and let them piddle in irrelevancy. Nothing makes me laugh more than watching representatives from countries where huge numbers of their populations are starving roll up in their bullet-proof, stretch Navigator limos.

Who's next?

did you see him go silent, after kerry told him he did Iraq wrong ? that moment of weakness completely exposed how much of a lame duck he is. Kerry handed him his ass on a platter, Even the right wing nuts are going all ballistic on fox news, & cbs over how badly bush blew it in the early half.


+ im 18. happy:

you remind me of Rummy. rolleyes:

ohh god, noc is typing out a story, half about how he thinks liberals such as me are tards, the other half rhetoric about how much he wish he could suck bush off.

[quote="Short Hand":150f5]ohh god, noc is typing out a story, half about how he thinks liberals such as me are tards, the other half rhetoric about how much he wish he could suck bush off.[/quote:150f5]

Way to read the post. calmdown:

holy fuck, Stewart just handed Juliani (did I spell it right...) his ass. Good night.

kerry is a tool, he was totally insulting the allies that we do have with us, such as england by saying that this is not a real coalition to do the things to be done in Iraq, and that he will hold a convention where he will bring all of the nato countries together to share a equal part in the rebuilding of Iraq, lol wtf does he think hes the savior himself that if he asks they will follow, like you said noctis, and they call bush arrogant stupid.

Not to mention the portion where kerry said president bush rushed into things and sent our troops to Iraq ill equiped, and that he would not do that, yet when the bill came along to send needed equipment to our troops, he voted against it eek: , can he ever make one solid decision, i think not

[quote=Noctis]Way to read the post. calmdown:[/quote:2e9cb]

i was gusssing you were about to wirte another 3000 word response. rolleyes: calmdown:

Kerry won the debate, but not on substance. He delivered his points eloquently in a cool calm and collected manner. Bush looked distracted, hesitant and tired. Kerry certainly didn't completely dominate Bush as some of you seem to think; in fact Kerry was inconsistent (who'd have guessed?) with his overall theme and message. Bush stood strong with his points, which will score high with a lot of people. Kerry tried to bust him on this with the "evaluative approach" which was somewhat trivial.

Still, in the end, Kerry edges Bush in this debate. If GW would have had his act together and not run out of material near the end, he would've been the victor. Kerry also "wins" this debate by not losing. In other words, If he would've gotten killed tonight, the election would've essentially been over.

Short Hand - you're a smelly putrid cunt. Enjoy your time on earth as an average, marginal, and vapid sheep.

PS - I'm really sick of youth centered liberal elitism... I had a good conversation with my roommate about this the other day. I may start a thread next few days when i can put my thoughts together.

Hmm..what a suprise...the liberals think Kerry won the debat and support Kerry. The conservatives think Bush won and support Bush. Who'd of thunk it? eek:

can you pick out a pair of glasses, ones that will increase my brain power to that of yours ?,. youth centered liberal elitism ? LOL what a label you douche.

EDIT, around here i see just as many Bush youth supporters + a large amount of people who just aren't informed and do not care about it, they pick the day of type thing. It is pretty much a even neck to neck thing. Simply claiming that this new group of youth are everywhere iss not true at all.

I know, its a sad state of affairs.

Bush won in the sense of appealing to his regular hardliner nascar dads & suits,

Kerry won the debate itself. Made good points, made the president go silent.

I guess your right, its all where you come from.

no, but can you show me how to install a car stereo some time when you're not busy hulking out in the gym?

hey he drinks a herbal supplement that can be purchased at any drug or food store biggrin: