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rdeyes 03-23-2005 09:29 AM

Another sign of intelligence from hardcore islamists
 
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/ ... c&only=yes

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Sgt>Stackem 03-23-2005 10:10 AM

yea, they sent a rocket/mortor into a school yesterday. These people need to be exterminated

rdeyes 03-23-2005 10:12 AM

i agree with you dude

negative 03-23-2005 11:17 AM

but dont yall know that American troops kill more civilians than the insurgents? rolleyes:

This is why I support the war on terror-these people should not live.

Ferich 03-23-2005 11:21 AM

I agree that to kill a wolf a shepard must become a wolf, but I don't think killing is the only answer in this situation.

I've heard of negotiations happening, but they seem to fall through I guess.

ninty 03-23-2005 11:23 AM

[quote:f901b]
#8 TimK 3/22/2005 03:53PM PST
When is the world going to recognize that Islam cannot be reformed? It needs to be totally destroyed. Its followers given the options of joining any one of the reasonable religions available or exterminated.


#10 Cato the Elder 3/22/2005 03:53PM PST
Message to Hojatoleslam Fucktarda al-Sadist:

Sooner or later you and your whole religion will be rotting on the garbage heap of history.

Islam = the devil's parody of a religion. May its days be numbered, may its followers perish, may the name of its sadistic "prophet" vanish in the sands of time.


#17 hornet 3/22/2005 04:02PM PST
Rape, murder, lie, are the three pillars of Islam witnessed in this account. Destroy demonic islam before demonic islam destroys you.[/quote:f901b]

LOL

Ferich 03-23-2005 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty9
[quote:d4db2]
#8 TimK 3/22/2005 03:53PM PST
When is the world going to recognize that Islam cannot be reformed? It needs to be totally destroyed. Its followers given the options of joining any one of the reasonable religions available or exterminated.


#10 Cato the Elder 3/22/2005 03:53PM PST
Message to Hojatoleslam Fucktarda al-Sadist:

Sooner or later you and your whole religion will be rotting on the garbage heap of history.

Islam = the devil's parody of a religion. May its days be numbered, may its followers perish, may the name of its sadistic "prophet" vanish in the sands of time.


#17 hornet 3/22/2005 04:02PM PST
Rape, murder, lie, are the three pillars of Islam witnessed in this account. Destroy demonic islam before demonic islam destroys you.

LOL[/quote:d4db2]

Yeah that's some ignorant stuff right there.

Btw what happened to your sig?

negative 03-23-2005 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferich
I agree that to kill a wolf a shepard must become a wolf, but I don't think killing is the only answer in this situation.

I've heard of negotiations happening, but they seem to fall through I guess.

Killing IS the ONLY solution-specially since tahts what their goal in life is. To be killed while killing others.

Ferich 03-23-2005 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by negative
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferich
I agree that to kill a wolf a shepard must become a wolf, but I don't think killing is the only answer in this situation.

I've heard of negotiations happening, but they seem to fall through I guess.

Killing IS the ONLY solution-specially since tahts what their goal in life is. To be killed while killing others.

I'd like to think we'd take a more intelligent approach than just reckless genocide. That's what it sounds like to me at least.

I only say such harsh words when I take into account that majority of the militants are part of the Iraqi civilian population and probably go to work everyday before they sling their AK over their shoulder.

Sgt>Stackem 03-23-2005 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferich
I agree that to kill a wolf a shepard must become a wolf, but I don't think killing is the only answer in this situation.

I've heard of negotiations happening, but they seem to fall through I guess.

it is unfortunate but I believe killing them is the only way. These nuts dont understand peace. It would be nice if there were always puffy clouds in the blue sky and everyone got along but thats not reality

Ferich 03-23-2005 01:19 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":2ad7d]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferich
I agree that to kill a wolf a shepard must become a wolf, but I don't think killing is the only answer in this situation.

I've heard of negotiations happening, but they seem to fall through I guess.

it is unfortunate but I believe killing them is the only way. These nuts dont understand peace. It would be nice if there were always puffy clouds in the blue sky and everyone got along but thats not reality[/quote:2ad7d]


I'm not debating the morality of the issue, moreso if it's even possible. I don't think you can kill or arrest them all, since most of them are iraqi civilians.

There's no convential war happening during the insurgency, like in Vietnam.

Drew 03-23-2005 04:10 PM

Without getting into a huge philosophical debate, I suggest you all go read the Qu'ran. It's very interesting and there is a lot of stuff in it that isn't really brought out in the mainstream. Reason being that if we all knew that Mohammed specifically instructs his followers to "rise up and slay the infidels," there would probably be a mass lynching of Muslims.

Also, please keep in mind that about half the modern sects of Islam do not practice jihad. It is also important to remember that the number of sects which actually denounce jihad are far, far fewer.

rdeyes 03-23-2005 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew
Without getting into a huge philosophical debate, I suggest you all go read the Qu'ran. It's very interesting and there is a lot of stuff in it that isn't really brought out in the mainstream. Reason being that if we all knew that Mohammed specifically instructs his followers to "rise up and slay the infidels," there would probably be a mass lynching of Muslims.

Also, please keep in mind that about half the modern sects of Islam do not practice jihad. It is also important to remember that the number of sects which actually denounce jihad are far, far fewer.

so what you are saying is that they support holy war ? killing innocent people , sometimes even there own people?

Sgt>Stackem 03-24-2005 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew
.Also, please keep in mind that about half the modern sects of Islam do not practice jihad. It is also important to remember that the number of sects which actually denounce jihad are far, far fewer.


thats what gets to me, the Muslums that dont denounce this violence, I find that strange and disturbing. It makes me wonder. If you were to take another religion (Catholics) when this whole priest molestating thing came to lihgt the practicing Christans were all over denouncing this and that helped many believe this was something running rampant throught their religion. I would feel more comfortable if more Muslums were more vocal against all the viloence. Every group, sect, religion or whatever group has good and bad. Id like to see more good Muslums in the public light

Pyro 03-24-2005 07:32 AM

genocide is the answer...when you're without intelligence...killing is your option because you're too stupid to learn to deal with it another way.

Sgt>Stackem 03-24-2005 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro
genocide is the answer...when you're without intelligence...killing is your option because you're too stupid to learn to deal with it another way.

OK since I am soooo stupid could please explain to this short bus rider how to deal with these people

Short Hand 03-24-2005 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew
Without getting into a huge philosophical debate, I suggest you all go read the Qu'ran. It's very interesting and there is a lot of stuff in it that isn't really brought out in the mainstream. Reason being that if we all knew that Mohammed specifically instructs his followers to "rise up and slay the infidels," there would probably be a mass lynching of Muslims.

Also, please keep in mind that about half the modern sects of Islam do not practice jihad. It is also important to remember that the number of sects which actually denounce jihad are far, far fewer.


Read This

http://www.ispi-usa.org/currentarticles/violence.html

then

http://al-islam.org/inquiries/2.html

Read this.

YES people misunderstand, yes, people exploit the faith. But This is done in every faith. It is just being done in Islam so much more in todays worlds as a means for struggling people to be motivated to rise up and take control, for otherwise corrupt mullahs and religous figures. Islam itself is very noble. More so then Christiianity and Judaism. But in such times, humans themselves take advantage. I would hope you could also redirect your "hate" for this faith towards the people exploiting it.

[quote:29ba4] God revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Sura 8, Verse 12)

"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads." (Sura 47, Verse 4)


A

For anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim, who wants to put some distance between contemporary jihadist practice and the beliefs of ordinary Muslims, there are a range of arguments that might attenuate the force of these passages. For instance, it could be argued that these excerpts need to be put into context; they don't literally mean what they seem to say; or that they're the product of a particular historical moment, now passed. What's more, some might say that beheading is not Islamic at all but is in fact an unfortunate holdover from pre-Islamic times, when the warring tribes on the Arabian peninsula decapitated their rivals and left them unburied in the field for predators to devour.[/quote:29ba4]

This is also a way in which to explain the violent passages you hear about. Then again, in comparision to the old testaments... This is lightcore shit.

strvs 03-24-2005 08:31 AM

Islam has been distorted into a religion of murder. It truly isnt, and if you actually read the Koran, and maybe tried to understand, you'd know. It isn't fair that they are judged on the action of these few... Just like if i were to judge the actions of a few priests and then call every christian the very same... wouldn't like that, would you? 1 billion muslims on earth. 18% of them are arab. You people need to look at the bigger picture.

Allah = one god. Not some holy terrorist they all worship, its the very same god we worship. Jesus = The messiah, christs son. They share all the same prophets with Judaism AND Christianity. The Koran states that every person is equal in the eyes of god, no matter your race, gender or physical attributes. Womens rights issues is not the fault of Islam, but crooked governments, who have distorted the faith to the opressive rule you see in some arab countries. Try to understand the culture before you denounce it... and even go as far as to wish death upon all muslims annoy:

rdeyes 03-24-2005 09:24 AM

i dont think we said kill all muslims , i dont have a problem with the non-killing muslims, and i also think the jihad endorsing muslims should fly to iraq and join there "brave" counter-parts and help rid the land of the "evil" infidels that have "invaded" their beautiful and peaceful part of the world.The world would be a more peaceful place for all of us.

This article was written about WHAT THEY DID TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE, the iraqi's want the US to leave and the only way thats going to happen is when the insurgency is dead and rotting, insurgents killing innocent people trying to have picnic is helping make the jihadist look like the terrorist scum that are.

Short Hand 03-24-2005 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdeyes
i dont think we said kill all muslims

umm....

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":155c2]it is unfortunate but I believe killing them all is the only way.[/quote:155c2]



yes.....

Drew 03-24-2005 05:16 PM

[quote="Short Hand":8cf0e][quote=Drew]Without getting into a huge philosophical debate, I suggest you all go read the Qu'ran. It's very interesting and there is a lot of stuff in it that isn't really brought out in the mainstream. Reason being that if we all knew that Mohammed specifically instructs his followers to "rise up and slay the infidels," there would probably be a mass lynching of Muslims.

Also, please keep in mind that about half the modern sects of Islam do not practice jihad. It is also important to remember that the number of sects which actually denounce jihad are far, far fewer.[/quote]


Read This

[url="http://www.ispi-usa.org/currentarticles/violence.html"]http://www.ispi-usa.org/currentarticles/violence.html[/url]

then

http://al-islam.org/inquiries/2.html

Read this.

YES people misunderstand, yes, people exploit the faith. But This is done in every faith. It is just being done in Islam so much more in todays worlds as a means for struggling people to be motivated to rise up and take control, for otherwise corrupt mullahs and religous figures. Islam itself is very noble. More so then Christiianity and Judaism. But in such times, humans themselves take advantage. I would hope you could also redirect your "hate" for this faith towards the people exploiting it.

[quote:8cf0e] God revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Sura 8, Verse 12)

"When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads." (Sura 47, Verse 4)


A

For anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim, who wants to put some distance between contemporary jihadist practice and the beliefs of ordinary Muslims, there are a range of arguments that might attenuate the force of these passages. For instance, it could be argued that these excerpts need to be put into context; they don't literally mean what they seem to say; or that they're the product of a particular historical moment, now passed. What's more, some might say that beheading is not Islamic at all but is in fact an unfortunate holdover from pre-Islamic times, when the warring tribes on the Arabian peninsula decapitated their rivals and left them unburied in the field for predators to devour.[/quote:8cf0e]

This is also a way in which to explain the violent passages you hear about. Then again, in comparision to the old testaments... This is lightcore shit.[/quote:8cf0e]
http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/view ... p?t=168674

http://www.groundforce1.com/forums/view ... p?t=177785

Chango 03-24-2005 05:25 PM

So you've actually read the quran, and not just a website with passages from it?

Drew 03-24-2005 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chango
So you've actually read the quran, and not just a website with passages from it?

Indeed. I also took two courses at university in Islamic Studies.

We used this series of textbooks (ridiculously biased in my opinion, it's irresponsible for an instructor to utilize a textbook about a religion which was written by someone who practices it actively, no objectivity):

[img]http://www.simplyislam.com/images/dbase/1699.jpg[/img]

Was more like a year-long attempt at conversion...

Anyway, I also was require to read several large chunks of the Qu'ran for my studies. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I read every passage, but I've read a great deal of it and plenty to know that violence is a recurring theme throughout. If you're interested, I can also refer you to an online translation of the Qu'ran which was suggested by my instructor for people who didn't purchase a Qu'ran prior to taking the course.

rdeyes 03-24-2005 08:54 PM

GO DREW !!! happy:

Chango 03-25-2005 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chango
So you've actually read the quran, and not just a website with passages from it?

Indeed. I also took two courses at university in Islamic Studies.

Ok, I was just wondering. The last time you mentioned something about the Qu'ran you posted a link that highlighted only the violent things and pretty much nothing else.

Drew 03-25-2005 08:08 PM

The problem is that violence is a frequently occurring theme in the Koran.

And it really is a shame, because there are parts of the Koran which are very beautiful and also very applicable to being a good person in life. Just read the Exordium, for instance.

However, it is filled with far too many violent contradictions.

Quze 03-26-2005 04:02 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":e8c0d]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferich
I agree that to kill a wolf a shepard must become a wolf, but I don't think killing is the only answer in this situation.

I've heard of negotiations happening, but they seem to fall through I guess.

it is unfortunate but I believe killing them is the only way. These nuts dont understand peace. It would be nice if there were always puffy clouds in the blue sky and everyone got along but thats not reality[/quote:e8c0d]

I don't recall any militants shooting up a picnic before the invasion.

Sgt>Stackem 03-26-2005 04:44 PM

[quote=Quze]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":2304d
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferich
I agree that to kill a wolf a shepard must become a wolf, but I don't think killing is the only answer in this situation.

I've heard of negotiations happening, but they seem to fall through I guess.

it is unfortunate but I believe killing them is the only way. These nuts dont understand peace. It would be nice if there were always puffy clouds in the blue sky and everyone got along but thats not reality

I don't recall any militants shooting up a picnic before the invasion.[/quote:2304d]


your kidding right? Im sure the Beriut NEws could tell you exactly what was going on

Quze 03-26-2005 05:38 PM

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":5bacc][quote=Quze]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":5bacc
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferich
I agree that to kill a wolf a shepard must become a wolf, but I don't think killing is the only answer in this situation.

I've heard of negotiations happening, but they seem to fall through I guess.

it is unfortunate but I believe killing them is the only way. These nuts dont understand peace. It would be nice if there were always puffy clouds in the blue sky and everyone got along but thats not reality

I don't recall any militants shooting up a picnic before the invasion.[/quote:5bacc]


your kidding right? Im sure the Beriut NEws could tell you exactly what was going on[/quote:5bacc]

No, I'm not kidding. I didn't know Iraq had a bunch of milita groups when Saddam was in power, shooting up university students for being unworthy of Islam. I'm sure most of the guys in the insurgency today just had normal jobs then went home and did whatever the fuck they did over there pior to March 20th, 2003 - Peacefully.

Tripper 03-26-2005 09:34 PM

So what now then....Apparently we've established that the Koran is a religious book full of violent teachings, and a large proportion of it's followers are ready to come and kill us all....

Should we just kill them all before they kill us?

You guys have all the answers regarding Islam itself, but when it comes to dealing with it, you haven't got shit. What's the point in "telling it like it is" when all it does it promote the idea that the majority of practising muslims are ready to slit our throats, which in turn promotes the idea (to the more easily led young'ns anyway) that the only way to deal with them is to "KILL EM ALL," etc......??

I personally won't judge any individual until I've seen them act first.

I guess that way they have the upper hand and can get me while I'm not watching, right?

03-26-2005 10:25 PM

[quote:368f7]meeting boys and girls together and playing music and that this was against Islam[/quote:368f7]


these militants have obviously never read the Quaran. They were probably 1st Generation children, from when Al-Quaida (sp?) came into power, and therefore are tainted by the propaganda.


Besides, if some of you think that the Quaran is full of violence, just read the damned bible...full of gospels and stories about eternal damnation, murder, that sort of thing.

Humans don't have the right to judge other humans. Only God can judge us (assuming there is one and we were created by him). The United States cannot go forcing "democracy" to countries that were better off the way they were (totalitarianist). Nazi Germany was a better country than the Democratic United States (During its time, and dont count the military, im talking about the economy).

Drew 03-27-2005 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acideyez
these militants have obviously never read the Quaran. They were probably 1st Generation children, from when Al-Quaida (sp?) came into power, and therefore are tainted by the propaganda.

Just like the Shah of Iran and his followers in the 70s and 80s? Muslims all.

[quote:e081d]
Besides, if some of you think that the Quaran is full of violence, just read the damned bible...full of gospels and stories about eternal damnation, murder, that sort of thing.[/quote:e081d]

This is relevant if you are attempting to reference the Jewish Bible, which consists only of the Old Testament books. If you are referencing Christianity, you need to read the New Testament on which the Christian faith is built. Nearly all the violence in the New Testament involves the persecution of Christians.

[quote:e081d]Humans don't have the right to judge other humans. Only God can judge us (assuming there is one and we were created by him).[/quote:e081d]

Yep.

[quote:e081d]The United States cannot go forcing "democracy" to countries that were better off the way they were (totalitarianist).[/quote:e081d]

You honestly believe that people are better off when the government controls every aspect of their life, killing those people (Rwanda, 1994) for even the slightest hint of opposition to the rule of the government or starving them to death (North Korea, 1950 - present) in the name of building up the military?

[quote:e081d]Nazi Germany was a better country than the Democratic United States (During its time, and dont count the military, im talking about the economy).[/quote:e081d]

Utterly irrelevant. A pointless remark.

History 101.. take it, love it, know it. Then post.

03-27-2005 11:13 AM

im a history major dude, and besides, youre a conservative, im a liberal, of course our views will differ..

"Thou Shalt Not Kill"... If everyone was a true Christian by the book, there wouldnt be any wars.

Drew 03-27-2005 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acideyez
im a history major dude

Haha.. might want to consider changing majors. I only took up to History 102 and it's obvious I know more.

Rest of your post was utterly irrelevant, won't respond. Have a great Easter.

Coleman 03-29-2005 09:01 PM

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/trainingmanual.htm

thought it would be interesting to look at. I KNOW it has a bias from Al Qaeda, but I thought it was neat/scary to see.

rdeyes 04-03-2005 12:10 PM

[quote=Quze]
Quote:

Originally Posted by "Sgt>Stackem":56409
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferich
I agree that to kill a wolf a shepard must become a wolf, but I don't think killing is the only answer in this situation.

I've heard of negotiations happening, but they seem to fall through I guess.

it is unfortunate but I believe killing them is the only way. These nuts dont understand peace. It would be nice if there were always puffy clouds in the blue sky and everyone got along but thats not reality

I don't recall any militants shooting up a picnic before the invasion.[/quote:56409]

thats because these jihadist run from one jihad country to another jihad in progress, i bet most of these insurgents have fought in chechnya , afghanistan, name a third world shithole muslim country and im sure the insurgents have trained or fought there. the sooner these scum are killed or arrested then the iraqi's will get there country back


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