Episode 3 Discussion Thread! SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!!!!!
 

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This is by far the most dark and greatest film in the series. The story line was so great and Hayden actually did a good job pulling off the part of Vader.

The Emperor was the most cynical charecter in the series, even more dark then Vader. It was just so wicked how he manipulated everyone and gained ultimate power. The chancellor room fight was so cool and it was neat how fast he killed off all those Jedi Masters, except for Windu. Windu put up a really good fight and I sorta liked the way he died. Seemed like everyone in that movie lost a limb, lol.

The space battles were really good but part of me wish it had been longer and more. The Count Dooku duel was very symbolic of Return of The Jedi and it showed how much more powerfull Anakin had become and how dark in a way he became.

The big Wookiee battle was actually a bit of a letdown. I was expecting more wookiee on droid action , but I still got some fun from the Tarfull and Chewie tree swing onto that droid ship. A part I didn't understand was when those Clone Troopers on the walkers came up and said 'These wookiee's are dead'. Was part of Order 66 to kill or enslave the remaining wookiee's?

Order 66 was just a really dark and depressing thing to do, in a good way though. The way most of the jedi were just shot down and killed was so dismile yet so unexpected. A few of the jedi put up a fight , but without hesitation all the troopers just opening fire on Jedi Masters and Padawans was so cool. The way Anakin killed the Younglings was very unexpected thing from Lucas. Killing them without hesitation like that was super dark.

And finale, the big fight. The mega ultra battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin, now Darth Vader, was VERY, VERY well put together. In some ways I half expected Vader to win. Most of the fight had him on the offensive except for the end and a few parts in between. The way Obi-Wan cut off Anakins legs and other arm was really morbid but also cool to see. He just left him there to burn on the shores...really cool stuff. Hayden did actually not sound too whiny when he was yelling at Obi-Wan and even the groaning he did wasn't too bad. The assembly of Vader was really neat and I like how for that 10 seconds we got inside 'Vader Vision'. Once again Hayden did a surprisingly good job of being Vader and I like how for the few seconds he got up he kind stumbled in disbelief of what he became.

Padme giving birth to the twins was what it was. Although the theater was quiet I couldn't quite make out what she said before she died. It sounded like 'There is Hope' which could be a refrence to 'A New Hope', but I could be mistaken. Her funeral was actually really sad. I felt kinda bad...

A few griefs I have with the film was I expected more epic space and wookiee battles. I also thought Griveous was going to put up more of a saber battle, especially considering that he took on and destroyed like 6 Jedi Masters at a time, in the Clone Wars cartoon. A thought I pondered for Grivous was I though he actually might be a reincarnated Sith Lord or Master. If you look at his eyes he has that trademark yellow and sorta slanted pupil that all Sith have. I even toyed with the idea that he could be the top half of Darth Maul somehow...oh well. He died kinda cool and the way I imagined it, except for the blaster.

My friend kinda hinted at that since Palpatine learned from Dark Plagus how to master controlling the force so well and manipulate the miticlorines so well, the the Emperor could of actually concived Vader. It could be possible that somehow he used the force to impregnate Shmi Skywalker...a long shot, but a thinker.

In a way I'm sad about this movie. It's the end of a saga and yet the beggining. It was everything I expected and much more. Greater then any other Star Wars, of for that matter, any film I've seen. So superb.

Re: Episode 3 Discussion Thread! SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS!
 

[quote="Airborne Butters":ae7c1]I was expecting more wookiee on droid action.[/quote:ae7c1]
thats all I heard

just got back from it, it couldnt have been better..except if there was more space action, thast what the name implies anyway..star wars. haha..anyway great movie. +1 to lucas

yeah i expected more from general grievous because he kicked the shit out of the jedi in the clone cartoons. i wanted to see more wookie fights too. those clone troopers kicked some major ass, i was very pleased, they were way better than the stormtroopers in the original movies, though i wish they sound like the originals. very nicely done, much better than the other two prequals. im gonna go see it again tomorrow with my nephew, he just turned 3 and knows all the characters names and everything. padmes death was sad and i did get kinda choked up at the end because of the whole ending. this one was very dark and makes a well done tragedy. i hope there will be another 3 coming out. maybe they will make a movie based on KOTOR 1 and 2.

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that guy with the camera interviewed me and my friend, i was on tv !

iam a celeb at work, hey chip i saw ya on tv LOL!! it pwns biggrin:

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Greivous wasn't very healthy, he had his chest crushed by Mace Windu before leaving Coruscant. Hence him being hunched over and coughing.

He wasn't a Sith lord, he was just an Alien that was setup by Sidious and Dooku to lead the droid armies. Dooku planted a bomb in his ship, severly injuring Grievous. They rebuilt him with droid parts and lied to him, saying Mace Windu betrayed his race or something.

I loved the beginning space battle, the way Obi Wan was all "oh this will be easy". Ewan really pulled the role off in the prequels, he is by far the shining light.

Hayden was much better in this film, he played the dark Anakin very well. Rumor is Hayden wanted to play Anakin this way in Episode II, but Lucas didn't want to hear it. George wanted the whiney angsty teenager version.

The difference between this film and the other two prequels, I actually cared what happened to the characters. I felt bad when Anakin was sent to kill the separatists leaders. All they wanted was an end to the war, a war which they didn't want in the first place. They were lied to by the sith, manipulated and sacrficed for their selfous ways. I couldn't have cared less about Nute Gunray in the prequels, but in this movie you really feel for him and the rest of the separatist leaders. Vader just slaughters them.

Overall a very good movie, can't rate in on par with the originals, but there is no comparison. Different time, different age, different view of the world. It's unfair to compair them, just view them as a different set of films.

we now know why the emporer looks really fucking ollllllllld and gross

Yeah the entire movie was great, I laughed, a tear came out at the end .. all emotions, great movie.

Yeah I was not expecting for him to kill the younglinks either.

This episode showed how he let down his guard and became all feelings.

I think Anakin was week mentally to be controlled like that from the senator. Shit happens, no need to go to the dark side. But he is still a great character.

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Duffy is a fucking assmunch.

this wouldnt have had to happen if the jedi werent so selfish....

had Qui Gon rescued Anakins mother, he may have ended up not being such a basket case. i was bummed out in episode 1 when he said 'we arent here to free slaves.' the jedi were merely looking out for their own interests on that one. anyways, this movie was very well done. saw it again today and was surprised on how much better hayden and ewan were in this film.

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That is true ... Anakin was unbalance because of his mother's death ... He would have been happier if she were still alive. However with padme, that would be another story.

pretty good one .. the ending was probably my favorite ... finding out how things developed into the first one was pretty awesome.

why?

[quote="Jin-Roh":01e75]why?[/quote:01e75]

go watch it

no

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he used force lighting and mace window reflected it back at him with his lightsaber.

The lightsaber absorbed it. I think he got fucked up because he had to put so much of his power/energy into it.

Kinda cool how he joined the darkside to save Padme, but that actually what killed her.

What about my friends theory that Palpatine/Sidius is somehow Anakins father?


I also noted that in a way Palpatine made Darth Plagus seem kinda good in a dark way...

[quote="Airborne Butters":c9644]What about my friends theory that Palpatine/Sidius is somehow Anakins father?
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explain that one

im kinda pissed that they didnt detail into who Jedi Master Cypher Dias was. Is Cyper Dias (sp?) just an anagram for Sidious?

No, it isn't. I thought the tricks used to lure Anakin were rather... well, retarded. It seems like the "chosen one" wasn't intellectually endowed but I'll let it go...

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I really enjoyed the bit about Qui-Gon Jin gaining immortality: it feels good knowing one of your favorite characters lives on in something other than just Force energy.

they kinda had to include that bit. yoda had to teach obi wan how to commune with the departed in order for him to talk to Luke after his passing.

True, but Quigon wasn't exactly a necessity. ;)

I wanted more Grievous lightsaber fighting...

i`m wondering... is the senator really the emporer? biggrin:

In fact, anakin IS the chosen one. the prophesy is said to bring about the destruction of th sith lords, and this is what he did. you ask how the hell does he do that? well if you have seen return of the jedi, anakin destroys the darth vader in side of him at the end, and destroys the sith lord, the emporer. luke is very strong with the force, but anakin is still the leetmaster.

i have a question, a pretty big one. I am seeing it today, at 7pm, hopefully it wont be very crowded because of the later showtime, anyway, how are the duels? I am expecting amazing thing from greivous versus obi, and the final lightsaber battle. I am also hyped about seeing the emperor in action, fighting against yoda, and then against mace and the 3 others. So all in all, how were the duels?

They were alright... I wouldnt pay just to see them though.

Anakin vs Obi-wan duel = hax



The others are alright.

to big of a gap between episode 3 and 4.

the grieveous duel wasnt too impressive, if you really want to see grievous in action youre gonna have to watch SW Clone Wars. The duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan was great, as well as the duel between Yoda and Darth Sidious.

[quote=lasagna]explain that one[/quote:3f26a]



Well I'm almost 90% sure that Sidious/Palpatine was Darth Plagus' apprentince that killed him in his sleep. Now Palpatine said that Plagus was so powerfull he could affect the midi-chlorines that made life. He could stop people from dying was one of the main powers of this. Could it be possible that Palpatine, maybe meeting or not meeting Shmi Skywalker, have gotten her pregnant through the force in order to wield his plan...?

I got the woody on when they strapped on his helmet for the 1st time and you heard him breath.

I also got the woody on when you saw the deathstar being constructed.

My question...they are starting the death star here...but it takes almost 20 years to fucking build(luke is an adult by then), but they almost completely build a 2nd one by return of the jedi.

Rofl @ yoda coming in and pwning the imperial guard(red guys) in .00000000000001 sec.

lol dude, between empire strikes back and return of the jedi there is like a 16 year time period

bullshit...im sure Han was frozen in carbonite for 16 years... oOo:

according to these super geeks its 4 years between episode IV and episode VI and 19 years between III and IV

How do you know that they hadn't been building the second Death Star for years? It could have been a secret that only the highest ranked people would know about.


Also there was no real need for the death star after all the Jedi were dead. No one was a real threat at the moment. So they slowly build it as the rebel threat grows.

In the beginner of RotJ, the guy in charge of building the second death star says that his men are working as fast as possible and that the Emperor asks the impossible.

according to the expanded universe, kyle katarn stole the original and the second death star plans (i think)