Stem Cell Breakthrough & Poll
 

[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4555023.stm:6d8c5]Scientists Hail Stem Cell Breakthrough[/url:6d8c5]

This is amazing that we are comming closer and closer to eliminating these diseases.

With time, we can hope for more.

This has to handled very carefully, you are dealing with aborted fetuses and big money. That combo can be bad. Severe limitations need to be inplace (as they are now) it is good to research it but it must be done carefully

I hope America doesnt start doing this.

Why?

you shouldnt be able to genetically engineer your kids

I believe the goal is to grow organs that went bad, if you need a kidney they want to be able to grow you one (unless Im completly mistaken) then there would be no compatibitity problems. Your body shouldnt reject the organ because its your own tissue

saw this today

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3191174

[quote:0b465]to promote science which destroys life in order to save life — I'm against that,[/quote:0b465]

That is the single most fundamentally flawed thing I've ever heard. The irony is those embryos that develop into human life will still have the same disease that we could have cured.

[quote:0b465]The best way to honor this great champion of human freedom is to continue to build a culture of life where the strong protect the weak.[/quote:0b465]

So by not allowing possible cures for people who suffer from these awful diseases your protecting the weak?

Living human’s first, possible life later.

[quote:0b465]you shouldnt be able to genetically engineer your kids[/quote:0b465]

What the hell does that have to do with anything? This is about using stem cells to cure diseases not building the uber baby.

Gattaca

Shitty movie.

Perfection of the human race, and advanced space travel yet one of the main characters is in a wheel chair.

oOo:

[quote="$p!k3":8295c]Shitty movie.

Perfection of the human race, and advanced space travel yet one of the main characters is in a wheel chair.

oOo:[/quote:8295c]

shit happens.

I completely agree with Spike here, and great find BTW...I hadn't seen this +1.

Sacrificing life to preserve it is the very basis of the best qualities of Mankind. We refere to those who make such a sacrifice as the ultimate heroes.
But, that is beside the point. It has been shown that with some basic evolution of technology the needed stem cells could be cultivated from the frickin' hair at the bottom of your shower.

Also, this is not some research that is targeted at creating the first batch of engineered children, it has a much more noble intent, and is part of the very core of our future survival as a race.
This could allow us to defeat the greatest threat mankind has ever known, and by that I mean our progress towards the elimination of viral and cancerous illness.

I do of course understand that mankind as a whole may not be ready for this. We are still a race divided and there are certainly those out there who would use this kind of technology for the worst of purposes.
But never...not a single time have we let that stop us, why should this be any different?
I won't go into a Bush bashing frenzy here, but I do not agree with the president on this, mostly because of his inabillity to understand more than his own viewpoint.

yes, i agree with stackem. I have no problem about wanting to help a person with a disease. I just have the problem of the possibility that some powerful corperation could get their hands on the technology and start cloning humans. Whenever you start dealing with 'building' flesh, there must be large restrictions in my opinion.

Yeah, I think it's silly that people get all worried about stem cell research, and these same people don't even bat an eyelid when some new super power gun is invented....Which is more dangerous to humanity?

We've had nukes for about 60 years - not to mention all other kinds of WMDs, and so far these haven't been used by "the wrong people," so really, what's the worst that could happen with stem cell research? I mean, at least they have a very obvious bright side that could possibly solve several problems for humanity in general. What have nukes really done for us besides make us absolutey paranoid about our neighbours and their intentions....It's driven us to war for fucks sake.

I have no problem with stem cell research at all, when its stacked up against things we already have.

Havent posted in a couple of days but I saw this thread, and then ur post, and boom, here I am. There is no reason why people should not be able to genetically engineer themselves or theri kids. Species naturally evolove over time anyway, the only thing we are doing is speeding up that process. We have to wait a hundred years for some genius to make a huge breakthrough. Well what if everyone was as smart as that genius huh? Imagine what great leaps humanity could take! This is one of the reasons I despise bush, he is so against stem cells and other things relating to it that he refuses to see the larger pciture. Whether we like it ot not, sooner or later this technology will be out. The only thing people like bush are doing is dragging time, and because of that hundereds of thousands if not millions of people, who could have been saved because of genteic engineering and/or stem cells will die. The fact of that matter is, this is not science fiction anymore. There is a russian saying my mother used to say a lot. it trasnlates to, "Technology is on the brink of fantasy" And it is true. With this technology, life expectancies could be literally, eliminated, diseases no longer a problem. Everyone would be able to reach their full potential. And stem cells is completely different from genetic engineering. Stem cells is basically regrowing organs from your own cells, meaning that your body wont reject the new organ, as well as the fact that donations of organs will not have to be used any more. Genetic engineering is basically instead of nature dictating how we evolve, etc, we will. Of course, there are minute benifiets that may be realized like the color of the eyes and hair, and other factors, but the real beauty is the fact that nobody will feeel inferior because they are overweight, nobody will feel stupid, and humans will, be able to fullfill all their unlocked potential. And dont tell me that it would cost too much money, and that only the rich would be able to afford it because that is bull. A smart leader could easily figure out how to make it so that everyone could have it done. Also, remember we live in the domain of reality. Limitations that people apparently have in sci fi movies doesnt necessarily mean we will have those same limitations. I believe whole hearedly that we will find a way to genetically engineer people after birth. which would solve a lot of problems. And do not forget. I am not forcing this on anyone. If you do not want it, then thats your choice. You can choose to not accept an organ made by using stem cells. You can choose not to genetically enhance yourself. But you should not be able to limit another persons freedom of choice. And I highly doubt that a kid would regret his parents genetically enhancing him. Again, you can do what you want, but you should not be able to force your child to do the same. Isnt that what America was originally founded for? A nation founded by the belief in the freedom of choice?

the thing Bush is doing is preventing a horror from happening. When you get big business and aborted fetus' together the outcome could be horendous. Big money could really make it go bad. They will start to pay these crack whores to get preggo then buy the fetus'. That is a reason to go very slowly in my eyes

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":c799a]the thing Bush is doing is preventing a horror from happening. When you get big business and aborted fetus' together the outcome could be horendous. Big money could really make it go bad. They will start to pay these crack whores to get preggo then buy the fetus'. That is a reason to go very slowly in my eyes[/quote:c799a]you have a point, and that is exactly why it must be strictly regulated by the government. We wouldnt want mutants running around everywhere. :p But seriously, if prper precautions are taken, there is little to worry about. Of course there will be cases where it is abused, but that is inevitable. And everyday that we delay, people die that could have been saved.

you seem to have a myopic view of the situation.

I understand it is not as simple as I may put it, but still. And if you have anything to add, then enlighten me.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/29/ ... index.html

"The bill would allow researchers to use some 400,000 embryos that were created for in vitro fertilization and would likely otherwise be discarded.
President Bush opposes that and held a news conference last week to promote adopting the embryos, which he called "snowflake babies." '

snowflake babies? this man is a retard.

LOL SNOWFLAKE BABIES LOL