Catching Osoma bin Ladin
 

Would catching Osoma bin Ladin hurt America?
It could go both ways, alot of people would be happy but it could cause more terror attacks.

I was thinking about this at work today, im not sure if catching him would be a good thing, but with him out there is a bad thing too.

First of all OSAMA is the leader of this whole thing. We catch him - a few more terrorist attacks happened - they settle down after. It might hurt us at first, but in the long run, catching him would be better for the economy.

We started the war to catch him, it would probably hurt us more if we dont catch him. For example.

Saw we withdrew our forces out of both iraq and afghanistan having given up finding obl, other terrorist groups could think we are soft and that we wont follow through with the catching of terrorists damaging the USA. Which could lead to more attacks from other groups.

Has anyone considered the possibility that OBL is already dead?

What does it matter if one person dies? If he dies, does that mean terrorism as it has been shown to us will be stopped?

What if he never existed in the first place? Is he really required to to run a terrorist organization? Is there even an organized group of terrorists?

Who benefits from OBL being alive?

How does OBL benifit from any of this? Is he making money? Does he just enjoy killing people?

Is it true the the US needs OBL more than OBL needs the US?

If OBL doesn't exist, has the US won? Is the war on terrorism over?

If OBL doesn't exist, do the citizens of the US and other countries feel their work is done?

Does the US needs terrorism? Does there need to be an enemy to fight?

Does terrorism need a face, ala Saddam, Bin Laden, al zarqawi, kim jon il?

Is it easier to justify with a figurehead or essentially a main goal to accomplish or capture?

What if al zarqawi is dead? What impact does this have?

Islamic terrorism has become an ideal. You cannot kill of an ideal simply by cutting off its head, because it will sprout 10 more, each as sinister and evil as the first. And if we capture him and sentence him to death, we will be making him a martyr, which will enrage so many muslims you cant even begin to imagine.

Damn, you sound like a pussy. If you're convinced that he is behind 9/11, then you absolutely do whatever is within your power to bring him to justice. If justice means putting him to death, then so be it. If you sit back and weigh the consequences (potential increase in terrorism) of doing what is right, then you've given in to terrorism.

BTW, radical muslims don't need OBL to be martyred to hate Americans and westerners. They learn that before they learn to walk.

Id like to see his nuts on Ebay!

Osama is the poster boy...hes the actor is the advertisments for the terrorists...Catching him would make the people happy, but it would piss off the actual threats behind the entire thing.

I thought he was caught and was being tortured/molested/peed/questioned - yes in that order, at a secret location in Russia.

I dont want to get into a needless flame war, so I will choose to ignore the, "you sound like a pussy" bit. There is a difference between doing what is right, and doing wat is smart. A wise person will know when to do the right thing, and when to do the smart thing. And I will tell you this. By killing Osama Bin Laden, we will be giving them yet another reason to fight us. Dont you see, by making him a martyr we are making him a hero to all islamic extremists! I say, if we even capture him, make him tell us what we need to know about al-quaida, etc, but killing him would be pointless. Take a look at Father Miguel Hidalgo during the mexican revolution against the spanish. He led a peaceful revolt, was captured and KILLED by the spanish, and this gave the mexican people yet another reason to fight the spanish. It gave them a hero to strive to be like. Circumstances are very different, but Im sure its not too hard to see some of the likliness between the two events.

he'll die of liver or kidney failure before he is caught by anyone, if he hasnt already

Hopefully it would be the proverbial cutting the head off the snake, but you just don't know

I smell... *sniff* H-Bomb, BITCHES.

Catching Osama will be better for the economy? Fuck man, catching Osama wont stop anything...except bush's approval rating from going down.

Wheres your head at?

I don't know a shitload about osama, but i heard most muslims don't view him as a real bad person. so it could badfire if we caught him and whatever.

but really I think we should remove his eyelids, cut off his head, burn his head, piss on his corpse, and bury him, upside down, in an unmarked grave

[quote="newt.":0f0de]I don't know a shitload about osama, but i heard most muslims don't view him as a real bad person. so it could badfire if we caught him and whatever.

but really I think we should remove his eyelids, cut off his head, burn his head, piss on his corpse, and bury him, upside down, in an unmarked grave[/quote:0f0de] eek: "badfire if we caught him and whatever"...that was a real thought out sentence.

[quote="newt.":f86f3] but really I think we should remove his eyelids, cut off his head, burn his head, piss on his corpse, and bury him, upside down, in an unmarked grave[/quote:f86f3]
..that's too good for the bastard, I say we place a bucket of water on the top edge
of a slightly ajar door and then say "Osama, could you pls come in here for a moment."

[quote="Eight Ace":36c33][quote="newt.":36c33] but really I think we should remove his eyelids, cut off his head, burn his head, piss on his corpse, and bury him, upside down, in an unmarked grave[/quote:36c33]
..that's too good for the bastard, I say we place a bucket of water on the top edge
of a slightly ajar door and then say "Osama, could you pls come in here for a moment."[/quote:36c33]And that would help us how? Would it bring back the people who died in 9/11? No. Would it better or view with the rest of the world, especially the islamic world? No. Can we really blame a man for fighting for what he believes in? Yes, his beliefs are contradictory to ours. yes, he has made innocent people suffer and die. However, in his eyes, we have done the same. Instead of being the stereotypical americans, why dont you two take a minute to think "outside the box?" *sigh*
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"If you're going to kick a tiger in his ass, you'd better be prepared to deal with his teeth."

Fuck Osama! Burn him at the stake, live on Al Jazeera. spank:

Dont you see this attitude of f-ck this, nuke that, burn him, etc is one of the reasons why countries dislike us so much?

[quote=Trunks][quote="Eight Ace":c6267]..that's too good for the bastard, I say we place a bucket of water on the top edge
of a slightly ajar door and then say "Osama, could you pls come in here for a moment."[/quote:c6267]And that would help us how? Would it bring back the people who died in 9/11? No. Would it better or view with the rest of the world, especially the islamic world? No. Can we really blame a man for fighting for what he believes in? Yes, his beliefs are contradictory to ours. yes, he has made innocent people suffer and die. However, in his eyes, we have done the same. Instead of being the stereotypical americans, why dont you two take a minute to think "outside the box?" *sigh*
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fighting for what he belives in? As in killing thousands of civilians, welp, I say that what he believes in is wrong.

Not only that but anyone that fights whether a reason or not has to face any consequences of his actions. Hes fucked in the head he deserves to die for it. Not everyone from his religion wants to blow innocent civilians up

[quote=Poseidon][quote=Trunks]And that would help us how? Would it bring back the people who died in 9/11? No. Would it better or view with the rest of the world, especially the islamic world? No. Can we really blame a man for fighting for what he believes in? Yes, his beliefs are contradictory to ours. yes, he has made innocent people suffer and die. However, in his eyes, we have done the same. Instead of being the stereotypical americans, why dont you two take a minute to think "outside the box?" *sigh*
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fighting for what he belives in? As in killing thousands of civilians, welp, I say that what he believes in is wrong.

Not only that but anyone that fights whether a reason or not has to face any consequences of his actions. Hes fucked in the head he deserves to die for it. Not everyone from his religion wants to blow innocent civilians up[/quote:3e4e1]He fights for what he believes in. Again, what he believes in might not make sense to you. But you have not been raised as he was. You do not see things from his perspective. We view him as a terrorist, he views himself as a freedom fighter. He believes he is justified in attacking america, for many reasons, one of the major ones undoubtedly being helping Israel. Yes, because of him, thousands have died. But because of America aiding Israel, thousands of muslims died in a series of wars with Israel. Thousands of Iraqis have been killed as a result of America invading Iraq. I am not trying to be "Devil's Advocate," but I am trying to get you people to see things from a different perspective. In order to conquer your enemy, you must first learn to understand your enemy. And if we put Osama to death, then we should be putting every single insurgent to death, no questions asked.

There are only two things you can do with an enemy, kill him or make him your friend.

Now you're talking. rock:

ok...but if you take this attitude dont be outraged when every coalition soldier that is captured is beheaded/shot on the spot.

[quote:c45b5]But you have not been raised as he was.[/quote:c45b5]

Yea - I got to eat beans and rice days a week while this fuck was living it up in the lap of luxory. And in all that free luxorious time, he developed a lil hating for the Jews and the Westerners. Just the same as any rich-spoiled "activist".

I've certainly come to expect this. Seriously guy, it seems your whole agenda is "let's not do anything to make them mad." Number 1, its too late for that. Number 2, not buying into their religious ideology is enough for the fundamentalists to want to cleanse the earth of you.

[quote="TGB!":f191a][quote:f191a]But you have not been raised as he was.[/quote:f191a]

Yea - I got to eat beans and rice days a week while this fuck was living it up in the lap of luxory. And in all that free luxorious time, he developed a lil hating for the Jews and the Westerners. Just the same as any rich-spoiled "activist".[/quote:f191a]You missed the point. From a young age, he was taught, and raised to hate jews, Israel, America, etc. Blaming him for hating the people he was raised to hate is hypocritical. How you may ask? For example, about 90% of the american populace hates communists/communism, and of that, Id say only about 30% or so actually have the vaguest idea of what it actually is, but the rest still hate it, because society rased them to hate it.

tomxtr, my "agenda" is not to not upset/anger them, if that makes any sense, it is to treat insurgents etc as human beings. Just because they are willing to do horrible things doesnt mean we should be.

Wrong! I don't know too many Americans who want to go and blow up communists.

BTW, I don't consider killing insurgents and terrorists before they kill any of us to fall in the category of "horrible things."

If a guy raised on the street to rob and steal breaks into my house, I'll shoot his ass before I take the opportunity to "walk a mile in his shoes" and treat him like a human. As far as I'm concerned, you give up the right to be treated as a human being when you conduct yourself as a barbarian.

That's not to say that I can't understand where Iraqi insurgents are coming from. Osama Bin Laden is another story entirely. I pray to God that we catch him alive and put him to death on a world stage. We owe that much to the people in the airplanes, towers, and pentagon.

But Americans do want to go and blow up Terrorists.

It's a never ending cycle. Terrorist blow up america, ammerica blow up terrorists. In the process, civilians homes and families are destroyed, they themselves become terrorists to the US.

I'm sure if you ask them, their doing the same thing the US is doing. US gets bombed, they attack terrorists. Civilians get bommed, they attack US troops.

Yes, its unfortunate. The truth is that most Americans could give a shit about what happens outside of this country or in othere parts of this country for that matter. We do, however, give a shit about arabs flying planes into buildings. That scares us. That makes us mad and makes us want to bomb folks. Is it a cycle? Probably. I wonder how many Americans could even identify Afganistan on a map pre 9/11? The same is probably not true of the radical muslims who grow up hating western culture / America.

So your saying both cultures are like little children? To dull and dimwitted to understand that their fighting back and forth accomplishes nothing?

No, what I'm saying is that if someone punches you in the face, you would punch back if you had any sense.

Yes punch back, then have the other person hit you in the gut, then you kick them back and they jump on-top of you and begin to pummel you, you roll them over and pummel them back and what do we have now to badly damaged peoples who now have a permanent disdain for one another.

Giving into primal urges isn't a good enough excuse. It's not what makes us human, what makes us human is our ability to think and most importantly rationalize which to many people aren't doing anymore.

gj ninty, couldnt have said it better myself.
Thats exactly wat Im saying.

A more reasonable thing to do would be to figure out wtf the guy punched you in the first place. If you punch him back you will automatically fuel a hatred between you and the other person, which can result in a fight in the current situation, and more fights in the future. On the other hand, you can try to put the fire out by diffusing the situation. Id pick the second option...wouldnt you?

BTW, its rumored Al-Zarqawi has been killed. If he indeed has, well lets see if the insurgents will A) Give up because the lost their leader, or B)Continue fighting with even more hatred and ferocity. That should give us a pretty good idea of what would happen if Osama was killed.

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It's a fact that he is behind murderous acts. He deserves justice just like every other murderer.

When someone randomly carjacks and kills a member of your family, are you going to want justice, or will you contemplate how society has failed this individual? The fact is, there is no reasoning with these people. Just ask the Israelis. They've been unsuccessful for years at trying to qwell terrorism. Additionally, if they blow up our buildings and we do not retaliate, but rather offer some concession to their demands, do we not open the door for other terrorists to use this tactic? I'm guessing we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I do know one thing, in the days after 9/11, (I remember it vividly as I worked at USA Today at the time and could see the pentagon from my office) Bush would have been run out of Washington if he didn't retaliate.

Ok, it's like Osama is punching the US in the face. You want us to be like, hey don't do that, that hurt. Then he does it again, then when we get back up, we say, stop it you jerk and he kicks us in the balls....

You can't reason with mad men, you have to punch them in the face and kick them in the balls. That's why he came back after previous presidents did nothing about him.

Keep in mind the formation of Israel was a kick in the balls to the middle east. Most of the Arab hostility comes from our aid to Israel.

Zionism is a bad thing.

I disagree. Giving into our urges (and temptations) is exactly what makes us human.