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Today, in Government class, I made the statement that, "Religion is archaic and holding [us] back." Followed by, "I think you're going to hell!" -- from another student in the class. I love people. biggrin:

Only one person agreed with me. Two people disagreed with it, yet they failed to actually put up any valid points in argument with me.

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ok i lied. i cant afford them, GET OFF MY FUCKING BACK

that kind of sounds like something i would expect from pyro ...

i say that all the time. i just wish the responses were that good wallbash:

its a true statement, but those who are arguing it are the type of people running the country right now as well as those who elected them...its a shame

i believe people have the right to thier own relationship with religion and god, but that its no ones right to preach or force it onto another person

Moved.

yah, something that in theory should give people a good moral ground to stand on is probably holding us back. imo, if more people sought ANY kind of something to believe in wed all be better off.

i just don't have the energy to start up on this one.

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IMO, religion is all fine and dandy. But it is a lot like eating chocolate. Eating a little, healthy amount is fine. But when you are eating hershey bars like there is no tommorrow, then thats not good. Same thing wth religion.

Thats awesome , who said for you to go to hell jin?

What do you mean by that? If you mean people who take their faith seriously, aka deeply religious people, then look up JP II... I don't see how he caused any harm to the world - obviously, he helped people. If you mean extremists, than yes I agree with you.

He's saying that insane fascist right wing conservative Christianism is like chocolate gobbling. Being a humble, god fearing man is like eating a tasteful amount.

Why can't we all just agree none of us know? I pity people who say there is no God but I pity the people who put all their "faith" into other human beings opinions.

thankyou.

Im not going to shit on anyones religion, but if you need some 2000 year old fairy tale to keep your morality in check then you are weak minded. I can see how someone wants to keep some kind of faith and believe in something, but looking at what is established, its hard to understand why. IMO Christianity, Islam and Judaism are almost all the same. They believe in the same good, just different prophets.

I would like to add something to this comment: science has done more for us in a few centuries than religion has since its inception at the dawn of our evolution as an organized species. This, I believe, is reason enough to adopt a more agnostic approach to everything of a spiritual nature.

what kinds of things has science done to improve us as a people.

food, medicine, housing, education oOo:

what has faith in god given us?

You can't seriously be asking...

A browser error destroyed a post I was making as addendum to my earlier reply and I'm too lazy to re-do it. Succintly put, religion has been an impediment to our progress as a species and it has to end now.

Galileo said it best: "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." We should be free to investigate matters of potential importance without the restrictions of unquestioning and feeble-minded people who lack the foresight to realize what's really in their best interest. Your doctrines are nothing more than a thorn in humanity's side.

Religion causes nothing but fustration amongst people, it does nothing to help our world and make it a better place, if anything its destroyed it, religion and church give people fear.

+1 for Jin

Religion is good. If you want to get rid of it, you are being just like the people you hate. Many of you criticize people for not letting people have freedoms you think they should have, ie homosexual marriage, but then you say religion shouldn't be allowed, can you not see the double standard?

I don't see the problem with religion, if it gives people hope, fantastic, if it makes them better people, even better, but I don't think it's being forced down anyone's throat. If you think that people are forcing religion upon you, ignore it, just as I ignore people telling me things I don't beleive (ie MTV, other societal motivators).

Also, i think you need to pause and think why people are trying to convert other people, it's not to have an empire on their religion, it's to help the people they are trying to convert. By trying to get you to beleive in their religion, beleivers are trying to help you escape the bad things they think are going to happen to you, therefore, they're only trying to help you to a better life, so why get angry at people for caring for you? If you don't want their advice or help, ignore it! But don't feel so hostile and try to eliminate something they have a right to beleive, especially if they beleive they are helping you.

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We should be free to investigate matters of potential importance without the restrictions of unquestioning and feeble-minded people who lack the foresight to realize what's really in their best interest. Your doctrines are nothing more than a thorn in humanity's side.[/quote:5d9ef]

Who are you to know what's in everyone's best interest?

I'll let you rethink that statement before I go into a hissy fit.

lol

You can hate me all you want but in the end, I'm usually right on the money. As for religion being useful to weaker minds regarding its ability to give faith and suggest proper behavior ? One does not need labels OR any belief systems to have his own ideas about the possibility of a creational force, nor is it necessary to expand on the golden rule: lack of imagination should not be a tool used to restrict the rest of us in our important endeavors.

it would be fine without the damn extremist muslics/islam terrorist that believes all non-believes are infidels and we must die. fuck that shit, they need to die for thinking that

[quote:97333]You can hate me all you want but in the end, I'm usually right on the money.[/quote:97333]

Huh? Talk about being concieted. Right on the money? How is the destruction of religion "right on the money". I mean, I'm not hardcore Christian, I don't even know if I believe but to say destroying religion will help us and that you're "right on the money" is sickening.

Generally, i would be the one bashing religion, but I will play devils advocate this time around. Religion can be a good thing, if you are being reasonable/rational. It gives people something to believe in. Something to hope for. In some cases, it even negates a persons fear of death. It helps people get on with their lives after losing a cherished friend, or a loved one. Religion hasn't really done things to improve society as a whole, but it has done things to improve people, as indivisuals. Personally, i do not believe in god. I prefer taoism to any of the 3 major monotheistic religions because it makes more sense, and there is some evidence to support it. But that is my choice.

If people want to believe in god, let them. If it helps them in even the smallest way, let them. However, what I do have a problem with is when religious people start mixing politics with religion, and doing things like halting stem cell research. My take on it is simple. You don't like stem cells? Dont use them. That should not stop other people from having the right to choose though.

Basically, I think the "anti religion" people don't really have a problem with peopling believe what they want, they just don't like the fact that the people are taking their views with them into the political field. Religion should stay an indivisual thing, and one persons religious beliefs should not affect the country which he/she rules/helps rule.

TK-423 I have to disagree. Solidus is right on the money when it comes to improving society as a whole, because fact is, like it or not, religion is slowing down our progress. For hundreds of years the Church persecuted has brutally killed scientists/researchers for daring to challenge the church's views. Is that not sickening as well? Without religion, there would be a lot less wars, and substantially more people would be thinking thinking rationally.

Religion isn't about peace and love, it's about Jesus with an M-16 and a chip on his shoulder.

Maybe to yourself you are right on the money, not to everyone else.

To intelligent people, perhaps. I could care less about the others except for when they need to be put back in their place, which (unfortunately) is more often than I would like.

Critical thinking would still be a rarity for the simple reason that most people don't make the effort to approach the world rationally: emotionality is rampant and partly responsible for the constant wars and (ironically) immoral actions perpetrated in the name of (for example) Islam and other equally pointless belief systems. Make no mistake: I tolerate your beliefs insofar as they do not impede on my personal liberties, but I strongly object to such nonsense anyway.

The faster we do away with these archaic systems, the sooner we will be free from 'our' crutches and ready to continue our evolution as a species.

i dunno what its given you, apparently nothing, and honestly i dont think it is suppose to give you anything. by definition alone its given me : A set of principles or beliefs. Which, btw, sounds alot like what science gives you ?

science has given us food ? if anything science is making our food more and more dangerous to consume. science pollutes our water, and soil, and in turn pollutes the animals that live around that water and soil, and resulting vegetation.

food,medicine,housing, and education ( how the fuk did science give us education btw) gives us the moral character to enteract with other human beings in a civil fashion? I dont think so.

if anything science only gives us the means to destroy one another, at best. it teaches us nothing of kindness, and responsibility to our fellow man.

religion has its place for those who wish to believe in it, as does science, but they both offer us different things. if you want to believe in science, more power to you, if you want to believe in some david koresh type, more power. i think thats the wonderful thing about these "fairy tails", is that they are there for us to find something in ( including sciece ), whatever that something may be. does it hold us back as a race, i dunno, but i like to think that it does help those who find something in it feel better about the world, and help them to treat their fellow man better. not everything in science is proven, and not everything in religion is proven, some in both is "assumed", right ?

i seriously dont give a shit what any of you believe, dont believe, or what have you. believe what you want, im not here to condem you where ever or whatever. i just dont see how religion is doing anything to "hold us back", and none of you have, succinctly, or loquaciously, explained to me how it does.

lol, I've never heard somebody so sure of themself on something that they can't possibly be sure of. You are hoping you are right just as the religious people are.

i think that religion keeps people back because i think that all religions are selfish, lying, racist, sexist and are all based on the words of people who were actually dummer than people are now. if you can just take that last part into account for a second, that pretty much sums it up right there. Religion doesnt provide answers, it gives you empty promises and complete bias and absolutely nothing of value save for some momentary feeling of self righteousness or empty self worth. If you need that to comfort yourself you should just kill yourself cause you have no self esteem or no value to anyone. People that find God are inmates on death row, child rapists, drug addicts and some of the lowest and most ignorant people that crawl out of the desert. The most religious and pious people on the planet also happen to be the dumbest, poor, violent and hateful bitches than anywhere else. These of course are my opinions on religion, but i think many people can see some truth (not complete truth) to them.

dude, why dont you just tell everyone what religion has done for you and what it has given to you. be specific and do a good job writing this shit cause there is no point trying to debate this while im at work.

You can choose to believe that such is the case, but reality will not bend to your whim.

[quote:4d7a0]Is that not sickening as well? [/quote:4d7a0]

On the execution of scientists and philosphers I 100% agree with you Trunks.

I think you're all insane idiots

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Nor to yours