Alpine set up
 

Ok guys, if any of you guys checked my mom just got a 98' Explorer

i have alpine subs, and they were cheap and hit hard so i am wanting to do an all Alpine set up in her truck

this isn't going to be a comp system

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3LcCaiWB3N ... &id=review
Deck

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3LcCaiWB3N ... RPM350#Tab
Amp

the subs is one thing that iam looking at-
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3LcCaiWB3N ... E1042&pg=3

i have the 12's and i could't be more happier with them that's why iam leaning towards alpine so much

but these infinity's look good too
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3LcCaiWB3N ... I=1081042W

or this one

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-3LcCaiWB3N ... I=1081040W



If i were to go with infitity should i get the duel 4 ohm or just the 4 ohm -


I have Infinity 6x9's in my ho for about 2 months, off the stock radio and it made my rearview mirror rattle, then the speakers started to die one was cracking all the time, not sure if it was the wires or the subs but i brought them back

but when they worked i was very pleased with them

what's the better brand? should i give up this alpine crusade???

anyways i don't want to spend 4k on a system for the mom's i just want some thump

:beerchug: Thanks Guys :beerchug:

does he listen to thumpin music? eek:
And forgive me for being ignorant of your slang but what itype of car is a "ho"? How about yo usave the money and get something uh....good with it?

ho is slang for an alero

Alpine has good shit, i'm on my 3rd Alpine deck now, so far they are the best i have owned.

Why would you spend more than $200 to put a system in a '98 ranger. No offense.

maybe because he goes on journeys and wants to actually listen to his music with a decent sound system. $200 isnt much for a sound system in a car, mines cost me about that so far and am looking to get some new speakers sometime soon.

I bought my sub a month ago, and its still sitting in my boot half wired up. I cant figure that shit out. So i'm going to go get it fitted for me cause im a lazy ass to figure it out myself.

What type of music you listen to. Dance and fast beat music its recommended to get a 10" loud slow beats for R&B etc its recommended to get a 15"+ You might want to look at a 12" sub - its supposed to be a good compromise for different types of music.

I would definately not go with the alpine. lower grade alpine is not worth it at all. go with the infinity and try spendin more money on an amp that will power them fully and those infinitys will do some damage. my friend has two of them and they will hit HARD.

[quote="Jonsey_":6a418]I would definately not go with the alpine. lower grade alpine is not worth it at all. go with the infinity and try spendin more money on an amp that will power them fully and those infinitys will do some damage. my friend has two of them and they will hit HARD.[/quote:6a418]Danny or Kennedy?

your mothers automobile eek:



anyway alpine should only go in BMWs'

[quote=Machette]Danny or Kennedy?[/quote:44b04]
duncan......danny

Elite, do not listhen to Jonsey unless you want a shitty system. ;).


I am competing in SQ this season, and hoping to take home some awards. (SQ is sound qaulity). Your best bet is to save up and go for the CDA 9847, and possibly the 9851 or 3. Why ? to simply put it any Alpine Deck below the 9847 will perform pretty much identical to other name brands such as Pioneer Premier, or JVC Arsenal stuff. AS for the type E woofer, If sounds extremely good. Sealed, or in a decent 6th order bandpass and you are looking @ some great sound. NOT some mind blowing SPL, but a very good expeirence. I will grab pics of my system in a bit and show you.


MY recommendations ?

CDA 9847
Alpine SWS-1242D (type S)
and
Sealed enclosure while feading that sub 200RMS @4ohms to 400RMS @ 4 ohms

The type E will do it, but you will be wanting more in the future. AVOID infinity products, in the last 2 years they have taken a dive. The days of Kappa are over for them. They are just naother Cookie Cutter box store band now. (Still decent, but not competitive).

with all that crap in the truck there wont be any room for the hunting gear

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":e9c50]with all that crap in the truck there wont be any room for the hunting gear[/quote:e9c50]

a single 12 in a sealed enclosure takes up next to no room. Your hunting gear will be fine.

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":c8ee5]with all that crap in the truck there wont be any room for the hunting gear[/quote:c8ee5]

rofl +1

short, thanks for that post buddy

i already have a ported box for the subs got it off ebay for like 50 bucks

pic 1 -

[img]http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/785/subbox0012cp.jpg[/img]

and then this one -


[img]http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/3076/subbox0026sk.jpg[/img]



the ports look to long and might hit the subs / or the subs might hit it while thumping and could tear the cone, so i am thinkinga bout pulling them out and cutting them down a bit so that there won't be any worries







Edit : crutchfield doesn't have that deck short!!! what will i do?????!!!

can you explain to me just how the hell that would fit in a Ranger

They cut a hole through the cab and the bed and fit the box. Some of the better installs even seal the hole in the cab.


stupid:

so you destroy the truck for a stereo?

^ thats fucking stupid.

stock stereo in my 98 rangers is enough kthx

it helps the resale value to have large holes in the back of the truck

CLOUD. That is a prefabricated bandpass box.. AND no offense.. but prefabricated ones like that sound extremely poor. Your best bet is to ebay that box for a decent amount of money, and have a local shop sell you a box with better specs.


http://www.ikesound.com

9847.
http://ikesound.com/product-product_id/2825

or

9853
http://ikesound.com/product-product_id/3326



Type S
http://ikesound.com/product-product_id/2063

or

Type R
http://ikesound.com/product-product_id/3352

*YES these prices are low, but these guys will rip you a new asshole in shippign costs.

OR and for Nyck, Stackem, JohnJ.....

1. That box will easily fit in the rear once the front seat is folded down. (not worth it though, that box is not very good). (worst comes to worst, the seat is held in by 4 bolts. What a pain to remove it then place it back in... rolleyes:

2. Until you have experienced any of your favourite music in full fidelity (like a car audio system)... then you really have no say. People take a quick listhen in my car and it completely changes their mind.

Short, you can listen to whatever, however. The thing I dont like about the monster sound systems is the racket that comes out of them if your next to it. You will say that is some kind "old man" statement but it is true. I dont want my kids exposed the the crap they call music at massive volumes. It seems like every other word is mother fucker and that is not appropiate for young kids. Your rights to your music stops when it effects others. You can blow your eardrums out if you want but dont do it at a red light.


If you want to truely experience "your favourite music in full fidelity" get a quality home system


Im glad that the truck doesnt have to be ruined, I doubt "mom" would like that




PS I listen to alot of music I cant even play around my kids (Kid Rock, Marlyn Manson, Ozzy ect) but there is a time and a place for the "vulgar" music I love

it was a typo guys, i typed ranger, i meant explorer

my bad hehe

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":fd6d0]Short, you can listen to whatever, however. The thing I dont like about the monster sound systems is the racket that comes out of them if your next to it. You will say that is some kind "old man" statement but it is true. I dont want my kids exposed the the crap they call music at massive volumes. It seems like every other word is mother fucker and that is not appropiate for young kids. Your rights to your music stops when it effects others. You can blow your eardrums out if you want but dont do it at a red light.


If you want to truely experience "your favourite music in full fidelity" get a quality home system


Im glad that the truck doesnt have to be ruined, I doubt "mom" would like that

PS I listen to alot of music I cant even play around my kids (Kid Rock, Marlyn Manson, Ozzy ect) but there is a time and a place for the "vulgar" music I love[/quote:fd6d0]

Anything under 130db will not cause any eardrum damage to children, I daily drive @ 136db. A small compact, clean system would entertain you and the kids. NOT to mention people outside will not be pissed off by a thumping noise. A sealed 10' Adire Shiva would work wonders. You would enjoy it alot. AS for the kids.... just don't play you're offensive material with them in the car......If you enjoy home theatre, then Car Audio can be very alike and just as if nt more enjoyable.

I really didnt mean to single you out. It just seems that most that pull up to the lights have some very offensive music, its not the volume but the lyrics. Just one word of advise, I played music at loud volumes all my life and now I cant hear for shit, it does damage and it is not repairable

I heard you blew your speakers or some this though?

I could say the same thing about most of your guys' computers on this forum. fucking stupid to blow all that money on parts that will be out of date in a year, but I respect it because its a hobby you enjoy. Just as other people enjoy quality music in their cars.

Back on topic..

If you are going to use that bandpass box, it wont matter too much which of those subs you buy, bandpass boxes conceal alot of distortion, you likely wouldnt be able to tell the difference between them. Just get whatever matches well with your amp's power output.

EDIT: and for the love of god DONT just cut down those ports to make the subs fit. The length of the ports is EXTREMELY important for the sound of the box, you cant just go cutting them, it will make it sound worse that it does origionally (I hate prefab bandpass boxes, they are extremely peaky and boomy)

But I didnt have to cut a hole in the wall of my house to put my video card in. If it will fit in your vehicle thats fine, but having to actually cut holes in the car is stupid. That was my point

I dont think he is cutting holes

not me oOo:

Im using a 6th order BP, massive as fuck for a single 12' and all, but I have heard nothing like it in my life. I will post pics soon enough of all my new stuff.

Alpine CDA 9835 HU
Single Type R Woofer 12' (wired in series)
TT4300 Planet Audio Amp (powers the sub)
TT4200 Planet Audio Amp (powers components/ rear's).
CDT CL62 Components (with 504 chrossover upgrade)
Visonik Pro A Series 6x9
6th Order BP box. NOT prefab ;)
Alpine Distribution Block/Alpine Type R RCA's

I find the CDT's a tad bright/... but THIS may be beacasue the db gain is set to 1 on the chrossover.. NOT sure really... Just wondering though JuJu... what is your opinion on Type X components.. I am thinking about selling my 62's for some X's... but I am not 100 on this yet.....

never dealt with the X's. I have the same CDT comps as you w/o the x-over upgrade and I love em. Your brightness is likely more attributed to the install. Try some different imaging is my advice, or maybe the type X is what you're looking for, they are supposed to be pretty laid back, but so are the classics, i dunno. My next upgrade would definitly be the HD series though, same price as the X's.

Short, you gotta post some pics of your system.

I have my sub yet its only partially fitted, as I dont have a clue what to do now. I'm gonna have to go to a shop and get it fitted for me. Probably when I get paid though, as I'm skint now.

I currently need to connect the remote cable (think its to the arial out the back of the stereo (should be fairly simple), reconnect my cig lighter, earth the amp, secure the amp, connect amp to sub. I'm a cable short though as my wiring kit didnt come with a second cable - I have a cable to connect either the positive or the negative wire, but dont have the other one.

Finally I need to tuck alll the wires under my flooring (once everythings connected).

Ya. I am going to try switching the chrossover tweeter gain button this weekend...(little button right on the chrossover itself). I know its not my EQ settings.... THey are low as it is. IF I ever get around to taking my door panels off....

Kick pods can't fit due to my clutch/big feet... BUT I am not really A fan of mounting them that way (yes I know it is the best imaging by far)..BUT I will get slush and crap all over them. and to be honest, Type R's compete quite well vs the 62's.

Here's some photos of mine.. Nothin too special, a single 10" sub, thats all you need to play flat and CDTs in kickpods I put together, Eclipse amp, Audiocontrol EQ, Audiobahn linedriver, extra yellow top battery in back aswell.
[img]http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/TerryBentley/DSCF0229.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/TerryBentley/DSCF0230.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/TerryBentley/DSCF0211.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/TerryBentley/DSCF0225.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/TerryBentley/DSCF0227.jpg[/img]
My pods actually dont get very dirty even in the winter, and with the amount of clear coat I put on, you can just wipe them clean and re-buff if needed each season. I also lost VERY little trunk space by mounting the sub up front, I know the black carpet looks terrible in the trunk, I'll probably get matching carpet at some point.

Looks really good man. Just one question though.. WHy use a JVC HU ? (is it an Arsenal unit ?)



Here are some pics of mine. (although you can't see the sub happy: )'

Amps
TT4300 and TT4200
[img]http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4543/00005371to.jpg[/img]
I plan on making a zipper carpet colour to cover the 2 amps. Have a cutout to show the tops. Should look even better.
[img]http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1293/00004617ec.jpg[/img]
4300 powers the Woofer. Wired in Series. About 150wx2 per coil.
[img]http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/733/00005501rv.jpg[/img]
[img]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/975000-975999/975645_12_full.jpg[/img]
This is an older Day shot of the 4200 back when I my old enlosure and woofers. Better sight @ daytime.
Enclosure and Woofer

[img]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1230/00005366go.jpg[/img]
The odd thing was before I heard a REAL bandpass enclosure.. I completely hated them. Then Once I heard my first 6th order I fell in love. I wanted to even take a step up to an 8th order box... BUT trunk space limited me to think differently. This one is big enough as it is.


HU


[img]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7226/00005455hd.jpg[/img]
Alpine 9835. To be honest ONE of the best non F1 units ever made period.
[img]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1945/00005480za.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9733/00005461me.jpg[/img]
Swapped out the cluster and HVAC display panal. (Cavalier to Sunfire swap). The Sunfire cluster looks 100x better imo. The Cavalier one was an ugly green color.
[img]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/975000-975999/975645_13_full.jpg[/img]
A day shot

Components & Rears

[img]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/975000-975999/975645_20_full.jpg[/img]
Tweeter is on a slight angle, decent imaging despite the location. Looks stock as well :)
[img]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/975000-975999/975645_22_full.jpg[/img]
[img]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/975000-975999/975645_11_full.jpg[/img]
Visonik Pro "A" Series 3 Way 6x9's. (Handle 300 RMS). I never really have them on (faded to the front) unless I have passengers in the rear. THey sound fantastic though. Something Visonik has done right despite all the crap they have let loose.


MY hopes are to Sounddeaden the car, fine tune her a bit more and take a few SQ shows around these parts. Maybe even cut the 62's. I took the door off and checked today.. They were set to negative 3..... So that was not the problem... (Im guessing it has something to do with the amp being set to flat and all the tuning being done threw the HU. (which has a built in chrossover and EQ etc.[/img]

I do hate the Chevy gauges, they are all the same. My GFs are hidious, that green color.

Sunfire swap is plugnplay. Easy as hell really.

I know JVC isnt well known for SQ or anything, but this is an older model (not arsenal) which has always had good reviews. The main reason I got it was for the front aux. input which made hooking up my mp3 player really easy. It would likely be the first thing I'd replace now if I were still upgrading, but I'm strapped for cash now in college and my car audio back home is the least of my priorities.
PS, good luck designing an 8th order, I dont even know a program that will calculate that out for ya happy: