New developing story: WMD's in Iraq
 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

[quote:ea7b4]WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.[/quote:ea7b4]

Interesting...we'll see what comes up in the next few days.

damned jew beat me too it. PWNDIZZLE

Imagine if teh insurgents had found them ed:

there is plenty more out there, they were never destroyed and they didnt disappear

/conspiracy

planted by bush administration

/end conspiracy

rolleyes:

lets see how this plays out

They aren't WMDs. They are depleted weapons from the Iran-Iraq war that people said would be found. These are not the weapons that were supposed to justify the 2,500 dead soldiers.

PS: Rick Santorum is a lying scumbag.

Mustard and Sarin gases are weapons of mass destruction. Nuclear bombs aren't the only thing that are categorized as WMD's. He isn't lying about that.

Saddam lied his ass off when he said his country was free of those weapons. Since they've been around since 1991 wtf was the UN doing then? I'm sure they didn't say, "oh it's just huge amounts of mustard gas. no biggie." The weapons had to have been shuffled around and kept away from any inspectors. Seriously, it's not that hard to do when the inspectors have a schedule of a place and a time of where the next inspection will take place. "C'mon boys, we've only got 3 hours till those UN inspectors get here. Haul that gas outta here!"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060622/pl ... aryweapons
http://www.prospect.org/horsesmouth/200 ... t_145.html
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Repub ... _0621.html

When I can I'll pust the transcript.

Edit: The weapons were around before 1991, and there is no evidence of him ever trying to make new chemical weapons after the gulf war, or even trying to start a nuclear program.

Also these weapons were so old and depleted they had no viable military use at all.

foxnews is all i needed to see.

annoy:

[quote:40556]But defense officials said Thursday that the weapons were not considered likely to be dangerous because of their age, which they determined to be pre-1991.

Pentagon officials told NBC News that the munitions are the same kind of ordnance the U.S. military has been gathering in Iraq for the past several years, and "not the WMD we were looking for when we went in this time."

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the issue.

"We were able to determine that [the missile] is, in fact, degraded and ... is consistent with what we would expect from finding a munition that was dated back to pre-Gulf War," an intelligence official told NBC. "However, even in the degraded state, our assessment is that they could pose an up-to-lethal hazard if used in attacks against coalition forces." [/quote:40556]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13480264/

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Pentagon officials told NBC News that the munitions are the same kind of ordnance the U.S. military has been gathering in Iraq for the past several years, and "not the WMD we were looking for when we went in this time." [/quote:d9d55]

That description could apply to some gf1 members. angel:

I thought we found evidence that Saddam was in the early stages of pursuing nuclear technology?

he said they were destroyed, im willing to take Sadaams word that he destroyed all WMDs. He is such a nice guy that he wouldnt lie, I doubt he would ever harm a fly, he is so nice

again no.

Holy fuck, I bet EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has a cache of the same size, if not larger of this same type of weapon, and it is probably working. Really if some depleted now next to useless chemical weapon is worth the lives of a near 100 000 civ's and 2500 dead American soldiers.... I think not.

[quote="Short Hand":2a579]Holy fuck, I bet EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has a cache of the same size, if not larger of this same type of weapon, and it is probably working. Really if some depleted now next to useless chemical weapon is worth the lives of a near 100 000 civ's and 2500 dead American soldiers.... I think not.[/quote:2a579]


1 no, they dont

2 the reason the Gulf War ended was, in part ,that he would destroy ALL OF THEM- he lied now its time to pay. This ALONE was/is enough for the UN to go in there but the UN has no balls so the strong arm of the UN has to do it (again) I would love the USA to drop the UN as fast as possible and send thier asses packing. Maybe they can set up in France since thats where all the bribe money is

the thing is, if we found 500 old pieces he didn't destroy, and he can't account for many of the other weapons that he was TOLD to destroy, then why is the American public assuming there are none? They have to be somewhere....

I wonder why he didn't just use them, then? He was still in power when the U.S was on his doorstep...

He could have gone out with a bang, surely he didn't believe he was going to win the war....?

I am surprised he didnt, his troops had the gear one would need if you deployed such a nasty weapon

[quote="Sgt>Stackem":8de5a][quote="Short Hand":8de5a]Holy fuck, I bet EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has a cache of the same size, if not larger of this same type of weapon, and it is probably working. Really if some depleted now next to useless chemical weapon is worth the lives of a near 100 000 civ's and 2500 dead American soldiers.... I think not.[/quote:8de5a]


1 no, they dont

2 the reason the Gulf War ended was, in part ,that he would destroy ALL OF THEM- he lied now its time to pay. This ALONE was/is enough for the UN to go in there but the UN has no balls so the strong arm of the UN has to do it (again) I would love the USA to drop the UN as fast as possible and send thier asses packing. Maybe they can set up in France since thats where all the bribe money is[/quote:8de5a]


1. YES they do, you can make mustard gas with household chemicals.

2. As far as I am concerned, as long as he halted his Nuclear plans there is no real problem.

[quote="Short Hand":f3584][quote="Sgt>Stackem":f3584][quote="Short Hand":f3584]Holy fuck, I bet EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has a cache of the same size, if not larger of this same type of weapon, and it is probably working. Really if some depleted now next to useless chemical weapon is worth the lives of a near 100 000 civ's and 2500 dead American soldiers.... I think not.[/quote:f3584]


1 no, they dont

2 the reason the Gulf War ended was, in part ,that he would destroy ALL OF THEM- he lied now its time to pay. This ALONE was/is enough for the UN to go in there but the UN has no balls so the strong arm of the UN has to do it (again) I would love the USA to drop the UN as fast as possible and send thier asses packing. Maybe they can set up in France since thats where all the bribe money is[/quote:f3584]


1. YES they do, you can make mustard gas with household chemicals.

2. As far as I am concerned, as long as he halted his Nuclear plans there is no real problem.[/quote:f3584]Tell that to all of the dead suni's

[quote="Short Hand":40de0][quote="Sgt>Stackem":40de0][quote="Short Hand":40de0]Holy fuck, I bet EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has a cache of the same size, if not larger of this same type of weapon, and it is probably working. Really if some depleted now next to useless chemical weapon is worth the lives of a near 100 000 civ's and 2500 dead American soldiers.... I think not.[/quote:40de0]


1 no, they dont

2 the reason the Gulf War ended was, in part ,that he would destroy ALL OF THEM- he lied now its time to pay. This ALONE was/is enough for the UN to go in there but the UN has no balls so the strong arm of the UN has to do it (again) I would love the USA to drop the UN as fast as possible and send thier asses packing. Maybe they can set up in France since thats where all the bribe money is[/quote:40de0]


1. YES they do, you can make mustard gas with household chemicals.

2. As far as I am concerned, as long as he halted his Nuclear plans there is no real problem.[/quote:40de0]

Um...You do realise people call them WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION and not just 'Nukes' for a reason, right?

Mustard Gas, and other Chemical weapons also cause MASS DESTRUCTION.

MY point being even if Iraq was not invaded..... ANY halfwit could make mustard gas or Chlorine gas. NUclear weapons being one of the only real reasons for any Invasion, and even then so I still feel it is a poor excuse.

Nuclear capabilities > Mustard gas.

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1. YES they do, you can make mustard gas with household chemicals.

2. As far as I am concerned, as long as he halted his Nuclear plans there is no real problem.[/quote:d5fc3]


1 not in mass quanties

2 Im glad to see you are in charge of the UN, where are your balls? How much bribe money did Sadaam give you?

Yeah, but the mustard gas they had was in artillery shells...

How many "Terrorists" are going to be able to sneak a 80mil into the country then point it @ a target..... ?

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FOr Stackem.. I am just using common sense, this is nothing to go to war about. Maybe you don't realize how devestating it is.

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FOr Stackem.. I am just using common sense, this is nothing to go to war about. Maybe you don't realize how devestating it is.[/quote:f2032]



I dont realize how devetating war is or WNDs in the hands of Sadaam. I fully understand both and you do not. If you think a nuke is the only WMD then it isnt even worth a debate because you need to check your facts.

I dont know you so I cant judge you but I think your political ideals are as far left=whacked as can be and I am on the complete other side than you. I wish you could understand what Sadaam did/has done and what he was capable of doing. He lied about destroying ALL of his WMDs and he would have used them somewhere. He needed to be stopped AT ALL COSTS. Yes i understand some of those costs are American/Allies lives but I feel it is worth it. If my kid was a soldier I would feel the same (before you go there)

[quote="Short Hand":0a1fa]Holy fuck, I bet EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD has a cache of the same size, if not larger of this same type of weapon, and it is probably working. Really if some depleted now next to useless chemical weapon is worth the lives of a near 100 000 civ's and 2500 dead American soldiers.... I think not.[/quote:0a1fa]lol you're funny

They had the hearings yesterday about these wmd's and I'm learning more as I hear more about them.

Gaffry (?), the man giving military information about the topic, had some interesting things to say. Sarin is VERY potent--more than a hundred times more potent than anthrax. 1kg of this material can kill tens of thousands of people...you only need 5mm of the stuff to kill a person instantly. Saddam had a lot of this material on hand. If you say they're depleted or not, thousands of people can still die from it.

Another interesting thing I heard on the talk radio today was that Saddam and his "henchmen" had working plans to put sarin and other chemicals into perfume and spray bottles. They were going to ship it over to the USA and parts of Europe.

Gaffry does say that these were weapons that the administration were looking for as they entered the country. Only a quater of 1% of all the weapons of Iraq have been checked to see if they can be classified as WMD's. Why do people constantly say "There are none! Let's get the hell out of there! There's nothing there to be found."? Weapons of mass destruction don't have to be nuclear warheads Shorthand. It doesn't just mean blowing up large buildings. It also has the meaning of mass killing (i.e. sarin gas)

proof of this.....none....talk radio.........HMMMM

proof? I don't have it. But he did have the conversation logs of the hearings in front of him as he was reading the facts off

[quote:2cfc5]Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."[/quote:2cfc5]