I have been to Omaha beach too, it gave me butterflies in my stomache just seeing it, just the scenes thru SPR running thru my head picturing soldiers running up getting wasted by mg42 fire.

I'm really looking forward to go to juno beach (not sure when im gonna go), but to see the great beach that the canadians took http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif.

My father was in WWII saw a lot of his freinds and comrades die. Id go thru Omaha beach few days after D-DAY they were still cleaning up. He said the there were body bags everywhere, they still fishing bodies out of the water, and finding body parts. He said it was like and organized hell. Later in the war Is platoon came upon one of the death camps after it had been liberated.(not sure which one), he said there was still a stench in the air. But he his thought was with his buddies who had died, because he believed(and still does)
that they did not die in vain and the world will be a better place because of their sacrifice.

I'm trying to get out to see Juno and Dieppe as well as Vimy and Calais this summer. Can't wait to show my son these places. Escpecially Juno, I've a pretty good idea approxiamately where my grandfather came ashore, and it'd be cool to be standing where he was and looking up that same beach 58 yrs later.

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I plan to go to Omaha this summer.

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Hi!

I have been last summer to Normandy.
Have seen Omaha beach, Juno Beach, ...
Have walked in St. Lo and Ouistreham.
Have visited the "Musée du débarquement".
Have been/visited the American War Cimetery at Colleville.

I have never been a "USA-fan" nor a "pro-US army"-guy.

But when I was at Colleville, in front of 10,000 white tombs, I have had a strange feeling. I can't describe it.

All I want to say is that I have a great respect for those soldiers.

Of course MOHAA is just a game, but behind it, there is a huge historical event.
It's not Quake, where a Red Goblin fire a protonic-plasma missile on a Yellow Orc-Warrior...
Behind MOHAA there are facts, real military operations, ... in a word : HISTORY

That's why I like Medal of Honor. Hope it will stay "historical" and accurate.



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[This message has been edited by Untersturmfuhrer Draksen (edited February 22, 2002).]

[This message has been edited by Untersturmfuhrer Draksen (edited February 22, 2002).]

right, u sure put a lot of thought into your post which really is meaningless

Stylin Trix,
Meaningless ... ?

A- cause you don't understand it.
B- cause you think that talking about Omaha is not important.

if A : sorry, my english is not perfect. I will try to explain this if you don't understand what I mean. And once again, it IS important for me.

if B : you are a child. A stupid child.

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Virtual Wiking Division

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sgt.sayian and Low spark,

thank you for your replies.

I understand you feelings cause have had the sames. WWII is often our fathers or grand fathers history : it is not so far away in time.
Omaha Beach is just an example, and there are hundreds of Omaha Beaches during WWII.
(for Finland, for example, the Winter War against Russians (1939) was bloody.)

I like MOHAA and play with MOHAA like a WWII simulator, an action oriented simulator. But I respect, I MUST RESPECT, the events described in MOHAA.

I have played a lot of WWII wargames, simulators ...
But it is the first time I have really this feeling. Perhaps MOHAA is too close to reality.

MOHAA is a game. WWII is not.
Just my humble opinion.



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Virtual Wiking Division

For those whom are planning to visit, how are you planning/organizing your trips? Through an agency? Wondering...

I sure would like to go see it some day. Probably have to wait till I'm 50 (now mid 20).

What was it like on Omaha beach, were all the bunkers gone?

I don't think that you can choose "Omaha Beach" with an agency.
From the States or Canada, the easiest way would probably be :
1- go to Paris, by plane.
2- by train, go to Normandy (under 200km).

but it depends of what you want to do, to see, and how long you think you will stay in France.

IMO, Omaha Beach is interesting, but only 1 day (may be 2 max) is required for visiting it + the museum + other "Overlord sites" on the coast.

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Virtual Wiking Division

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Untersturmfuhrer Draksen:

I like MOHAA and play with MOHAA like a WWII simulator, an action oriented simulator. But I respect, I MUST RESPECT, the events described in MOHAA.

I have played a lot of WWII wargames, simulators ...
But it is the first time I have really this feeling. Perhaps MOHAA is too close to reality.

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I agree....
Especially about MoHAA feeling.....

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stylin Trix:
right, u sure put a lot of thought into your post which really is meaningless<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The last 2 sentences pretty much some up what he means.

Now that I've played this game, I can't wait to see the place that a bunch of my family fought and lived against the NAZI. Yes, I was luckey enough to have a family that lived through the landing.

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"Work Brings Freedom"
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Thank you 8827Echo.

Ahgharion,
Omaha is a cold and windy beach...
All bunkers and bomb craters are untouched since 1944.
From the outside, bunkers seem to have suffered a bit, but from the inside, all is like in the game.


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Virtual Wiking Division

Untersturmfuhrer Draksen, there are ALOT of little kids like the one above...nice post.

Ive also ben to a WAR cemetry...

It was in Anzio, Italy...more thn 10.000
soldiers, and I guess i thought pretty
much the same u did !

Phil

Untersturmfuhrer Draksen,

Don't pay any attention to these ignorant children. I agree with you 100%

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But paris was in German command, how could we do that?

I think the canadians had the toughest job, taking the beach but also pushing the germans back like 1 mile or something at juno, not sure if its correct but if its not someone tell me.

Sgt.Sayian.

have you been inside the bunker?

this may be a dumb question but in spr they used a flamethrower to clear the bunker (i know they didnt do it to everyone of them)but did u c any evidence that showed how they cleared them?

mmmh.. thanks for the "rude", spineharvester.. ! i'm one of these stupids frenchs, who live in this stupid country, eating froggs and wearing some stupids "berets"... lol... http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/smile.gif

as i live in France and as a "fan" of ww2 history, i saw many many of these bunkers and found some littles interestings things while visiting (an u-boat insign and some mg 42 rusty parts) : many of them are not so spacious than in mohaa...inside, for the complex ones, you have a lot of little corridors and the rooms are not very "high".. one thing that's in mohaa and in the reality are theses deadly 'loopholes'...but the game is very close to reality

Did you know there is a D-Day memorial, that was in the first 5 min of SPR. If you saw that(I did not) that would be something. But seeing the one that has allot more... Is there one in arllingtion

Draksen,
I appreciated your post. My dad was captain of the medical corps that landed on Omaha beach.
An interesting tidbit......even though my father had nothing to do with the memorial site where the Americans are buried over there, he did pick the site where the dead would be buried. That was his decision. Later it was turned into the beautiful memorial site you see today.
I have also visited Normandy with him.
He showed me one of the bunkers on the beach where he brought in some of the wounded.
I could go on with many stories but thought you might find that one interesting. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts on this subject. Ignore the idiots. They don't have a clue what they're talking about. And yes, they're just stupid kids.

Really to play MOHAA you need to know what it is based on. Unlike the kids

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Untersturmfuhrer Draksen:
Hi!

I have been last summer to Normandy.
Have seen Omaha beach, Juno Beach, ...
Have walked in St. Lo and Ouistreham.
Have visited the "Musée du débarquement".
Have been/visited the American War Cimetery at Colleville.

I have never been a "USA-fan" nor a "pro-US army"-guy.

But when I was at Colleville, in front of 10,000 white tombs, I have had a strange feeling. I can't describe it.

All I want to say is that I have a great respect for those soldiers.

Of course MOHAA is just a game, but behind it, there is a huge historical event.
It's not Quake, where a Red Goblin fire a protonic-plasma missile on a Yellow Orc-Warrior...
Behind MOHAA there are facts, real military operations, ... in a word : HISTORY

That's why I like Medal of Honor. Hope it will stay "historical" and accurate.



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That sounds like an experience you won't be forgetting anytime soon. Did you get any pictures of you on the beach?


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That is awesome seeing Omaha beach like that .....as a matter of fact that is why i respect medal of honor so much for doing things like recreating Omaha Beach or even the simple confusion and frenzy of war....(ever notice the first time though you had run for your life moments because you were being sniped from all directions...imagine living though that)....now how I am gonna get to Omaha Beach..

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You've got to earn it....

Yeah I would love to see that beach and the place of so much sacrafice....but it is in France and I have had an ass full of the French. I saw what they were like on vacation in French Polynesia in Tahiti and I really understood why Germany wanted to attack France....hell after my trip I was ready to attack the French. Stinky rude people.

But, I also would not want to see the cemetary to see all those people who fought and died for our freedoms....only to see them freely given away by our new cowardice population. Eveyone wants to run around with a flag in their hand but does not know wtf it stands for or means to be free. I would just get pissed seeing all those graves...knowing how angry I would be that I gave my life so some pussy in 2002 could give them away because he is scared.

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Just a word about the bunkers :

I have visited 4 bunkers on Omaha Beach and 2 in Brest, Brittany (I have lived in Brest for 8 years, in France, but I am from Finland).

The structure and construction is really close of what you can see in the game.
the concrete construction gives a "cold" feeling. I have seen sometimes fire "evidences" sometimes, but can't be sure if they are "old" evidences (1944-1945) or just new things.
Sometimes you can se wood structures in those bunkers, but they are really in bad conditions (except deep inside the bunker).


Spineharvester[GF],
(...)
I really understood why Germany wanted to attack France....hell after my trip I was ready to attack the French. Stinky rude people.
(...)
LOL

I'm not french, and must admit that they are sometimes "strange". But I have many french friends, I can say that they are VERY FRIENDLY. In France, you can find a lot of older people (60-80 y old) who hate Germans (WWII of course) but in general, French think that we all (germans, french ...) are Europeans or from the West in general (includes USA and CANADA).



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Virtual Wiking Division

Yeager,
I joined the Screaming Eagles 3 days ago and didn't get a reply!! > http://www.alliedassault.com/ubb/frown.gif

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Ya, I totally respect the soldiers that where at Omaha Beach. I would love to see the beach sometime. Some people just don't get what those soldiers had to go through. I am 14 years old and I just am... a feeling that cant be explained... how I feel and respect those soldiers.

few people realize what a struggle these brave men went through to take that beach. sometimes i think it is forgotten in this era of political correctness

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you german right? well no offence to you but...

WTF WERE U DAMN NAZI's THINKING? YOU STUPID IGNORANT BASTARDS.

Hehe, sorry, i just have alot of respect for the soldiers of allies who fought at ohama/utah beach. but what the hell were the nazi's thinking? jeez

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SolidSnake*MGS:2*:
Look you guys are almost saying how great THE OVERLORD opertaions were.one of you said how you could imagine landin there and seeing your friends get wasted . i think this discussion should be stopped , real people died , not all wanted to fight for freedom,many just wanted to kill some GERMANS.MOH:AA is not a fucking simulator you sick person ,it is merely a game.You also say how realistic it is,did you land on OMAHA beach by any chance ?? didnt think so.You dont even know what combat is like,nor do i but i dont think i do.one of you even said how you wished you could land on OMAHA for real,u fuckin dick,real people died , people with families.if you guys just bought MOH:AA to see what WW2 was likme you are sick,buy it because it is a great game.if you like the idea of war y dont you go fight Bin Laden,you werent laughin SEPTEMBER 11th , wishing for war were you??you guys are lookin back at WW2 and thinkin it was great cause the game you played was good or the film was great.i swear if you were in WW2 you would rather be dead i bet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you even bother to read throught he post? Or are you just posting random crap?

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Fear is the weakness of the mind. Remember that next time you see me on the battlefield.-ShellShock

In my original post I wrote : "I respect Omahas US soldiers".
But I respect ALL SOLDIERS of WW II; Germans, Russians, US, Finnish ...

In FPS games, the big problem is that they are "First Person" games : you can see the action like it is/was.
Of course, you can't "feel" the action very well.
With MOHAA, not only in the Omaha mission, but in the whole game, you "are" in the action, part of the action.
And this action is/was WWII...
that is the main difference (IMO) between Operation F.P. or QuakeIII and MOHAA.
We play/simulate REAL EVENTS.
And the fun thing in that (I don't know if "fun" is a good word...) is that those REAL EVENTS was often an important part of our fathers or grand fathers life.



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Virtual Wiking Division

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Tahoma, Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Untersturmfuhrer Draksen:
In my original post I wrote : "I respect Omahas US soldiers".
But I respect ALL SOLDIERS of WW II; Germans, Russians, US, Finnish ...

In FPS games, the big problem is that they are "First Person" games : you can see the action like it is/was.
Of course, you can't "feel" the action very well.
With MOHAA, not only in the Omaha mission, but in the whole game, you "are" in the action, part of the action.
And this action is/was WWII...
that is the main difference (IMO) between Operation F.P. or QuakeIII and MOHAA.
We play/simulate REAL EVENTS.
And the fun thing in that (I don't know if "fun" is a good word...) is that those REAL EVENTS was often an important part of our fathers or grand fathers life.

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Whether we believe it or not those event were and important of part of our live. The changed an entire gerations view of the world. And for better or worse those views have been handed down to us.
I play this game for fun and wish that this is how war really was, nobody hurt, and move on with your life.


ENJOY!!!

Mr. Click-

You don't know much about World War II do you? Your attempt to come off as an informed person about the Pacific War and in particular the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan was really sad.

The only other alternative was to invade Japan, a move that would have ended up in over 500,000 U.S. casualties, and who knows how many Japanese casualties. I'd guess maybe 7 million Japanse casualties, in fact.

The U.S. dropped a bomb on Hiroshima. That didn't work. Japan still didn't want to surrender. The U.S. dropped a second bomb, this time on Nagasaki. The Japanese military leaders were urging the government to keep fighting. Thankfully, the political leaders in Japan, namely Hirohito, thought it'd be best to surrender before any more atomic bombs were dropped.

Prior to the atomic bomb explosions, the U.S. released thousands upon thousands of threats to the Japanese via B-29s, about this atomic bomb device. They laughed. We dropped. They didn't give in. We dropped again. They finally surrender.

The decision to drop the bombs was one of the best decisions in the 20th century.

Yes, but remember one thing: the people that died when we dropped the atomic bombs were civilians, for the most part uninvolved with the war. Had we invaded, SOLDIERS would have died. I'm not saying we should or should not have bombed them, for I do not know enough about it to have an opinion. Just something to keep in mind.

Stuart

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The decision to drop the bombs was one of the best decisions in the 20th century.>>

mmmm... I don't know if you are right or if you are wrong QualityControl, hard to say, I'm not a military expert.
But with this bomb, 99% of the casualties were civilians... I don't know if it was a good thing.

Omaha, Stalingrad, Hiroshima, all those events ARE war. IMO, war is like an other dimension, something that I don't understand. In fact, it seems almost unreal.

I have heard (or read) somewhere :
"War reveals the worst part of men, never the best, always the worst."




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Virtual Wiking Division

I just wanted to say that the guy who started this post is really cool, not often u see a eropean guy give us suport, i dont know why every country in the world hates us, but anyways, those people who said that u waisted ur time, they are the punks that guy was talking about that piss me off. They are just some computer nerds that have no respect for history and the great men who died, it sickens me everyday that nobody cares. those men died so we could be free and yet the lazy punks act like they deserve freedom and dont have to work for anything.

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oops cut myself off there... anywhoo i just wanna say i respect you alot, and i hope to visit france one of these days, i just wish i had family that was in ww2... BTW have you played day of defeat? i think the multiplayer gameplay is MUCH better than that of mohaa, but hey, i still respect it every bit. i have seen the movie SPR maby 30 times now... everytime i get somthing new out of it. well its 2 am so please forgive any grammer errors, and its nice to know somone cares.

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