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geRV 03-08-2007 07:41 AM

Celebs and scientology
 
Been reading up on this shit and watching a lot of videos on this, why exactly is it so many semi intelligent celebs are being sucked into this shit? Is it the new bandwagon of choice to hop onto to stand out from the crowd?

I mean the fucking "religion" was created by a guy that wrote science fiction ffs, its so fucked up that they dont even know if the leader of the "Galactic Confederacy" in the story is called xenu or xemu. oOo: the whole stories nothing but some bullshit sci fi fantasy that tool pulled out of his arse but you have rejects like Tom Cruise (whos now known as the jesus christ of scientology becuase he spreads its word) sucking this shit in like its even semi beleivable.

Nyck 03-08-2007 07:43 AM

they need something to spend their money on.

scientology is the new hookers and cocaine

geRV 03-08-2007 07:45 AM

I can see it being some fad, kinda like goths, at the time its something they really beleived in, but years later they look back and see how retarded they looked.


lol check out these freaks

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y
oOo:

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Zoner 03-08-2007 08:08 AM

I'm sure they lure new celebs into their cult with the promise of helping further their careers.

...and make no mistake, this is a cult we're dealing with. They can gloss it over all they want, but they're one step away from mixing up the Kool-Aid and moving to South America.

geRV 03-08-2007 08:13 AM

Heres another vid going inside the cult in the uk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD9bCdHqU3s&NR

TGB! 03-08-2007 09:16 AM

Science Fiction huh?

Any more scifi than believing a figure who lives in the clouds started the earth and all of reality, and does constant battle with a demon below the earth?

Any more scifi than believing a multi-armed being controls the fate of the world?

Or that the world is filled with personal gods, including where you work.

Jotun 03-08-2007 12:09 PM

im not defending religion at all, i think all religion is bullshit, but believing in aliens and galactic federation is just equally fucked as believing in a person who walked on water and a being who created the universe in 7 days.

Nyck 03-08-2007 12:13 PM

tip much of todays youth is atheist

Jotun 03-08-2007 12:19 PM

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tip much of todays youth is atheist

fortunately

TGB! 03-08-2007 12:36 PM

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tip much of todays youth is atheist

Means sod all in youth time really. . .as they get older their belief systesm (whether political or religious or personal) will change drastically. Kids have the benefit of having zero responsibility, so they are able to drift to these romantic notions and what not; ideas that have little use in the "real world".

Nyck 03-08-2007 12:45 PM

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tip much of todays youth is atheist

Means sod all in youth time really. . .as they get older their belief systesm (whether political or religious or personal) will change drastically. Kids have the benefit of having zero responsibility, so they are able to drift to these romantic notions and what not; ideas that have little use in the "real world".[/quote:eefed]

nail meet head

TGB! 03-08-2007 12:52 PM

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tip much of todays youth is atheist

Means sod all in youth time really. . .as they get older their belief systesm (whether political or religious or personal) will change drastically. Kids have the benefit of having zero responsibility, so they are able to drift to these romantic notions and what not; ideas that have little use in the "real world".

nail meet head[/quote:fb5c5]

You're poor.

Proteus 03-08-2007 12:53 PM

[quote="TGB!":6f9b4]Science Fiction huh?

Any more scifi than believing a figure who lives in the clouds started the earth and all of reality, and does constant battle with a demon below the earth?

Any more scifi than believing a multi-armed being controls the fate of the world?

Or that the world is filled with personal gods, including where you work.
[/quote:6f9b4]

Yes, actually.

Proteus 03-08-2007 12:55 PM

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im not defending religion at all, i think all religion is bullshit, but believing in aliens and galactic federation is just equally fucked as believing in a person who walked on water and a being who created the universe in 7 days.

Tip: Alot of the bible is metaphorical.

ninty 03-08-2007 12:57 PM

But a lot of people don't take the bible as a metaphor. There are a ton of people take the bible literally.

Proteus 03-08-2007 12:58 PM

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But a lot of people don't take the bible as a metaphor. There are a ton of people take the bible literally.

I think alot of people SAY they take it literally, but really don't mean it when they say they BELIEVE man was made from clay..

and if they do, they're fucking idiots.

ninty 03-08-2007 01:05 PM

My grandmother does, and I know there are thousands if not millions of others who do.

Christian fundamentalists interpret the bible literally word for word.

TGB! 03-08-2007 01:23 PM

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My grandmother does, and I know there are thousands if not millions of others who do.

Christian fundamentalists interpret the bible literally word for word.

There are also a SHITLOAD of people who no doubt still believe the world is flat, or is being carried on the back of a giant turtle. . .based on religious texts. Does nothing to denigrate the ACTUAL religion itself.

All that matters - whether it be Chrisitanity, Scientology or Judaism - is the basic tenents of the religion. . .what it expects out of its followers on the base level - not the literal "history" itself.

Nyck 03-08-2007 07:27 PM

[quote="TGB!":3efe5][quote=Nyck]
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tip much of todays youth is atheist

Means sod all in youth time really. . .as they get older their belief systesm (whether political or religious or personal) will change drastically. Kids have the benefit of having zero responsibility, so they are able to drift to these romantic notions and what not; ideas that have little use in the "real world".

nail meet head[/quote:3efe5]

You're poor.[/quote:3efe5]

lol what....poor as in just bought a house poor yea.

Pyro 03-09-2007 10:25 AM

Because people are idiots.

[DAS REICH] Blitz 03-09-2007 11:01 AM

there was a YTMND on Scientology that said something that those who give money to Scientology (usually it's believers) are allowed to write off their donations on their taxes. However, in some manner, they get to reap the benefits of that money via Scientology. Its something weird, but it basically said that those who are Scientologists are basically cheating taxes.

Proteus 03-09-2007 11:18 AM

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My grandmother does, and I know there are thousands if not millions of others who do.

Christian fundamentalists interpret the bible literally word for word.

Just to repeat, I think they say that, but deep down, do not.

ninty 03-09-2007 11:23 AM

How so? There are people willing to kill themselves for their religion. People are very impressionable, especially at a young age. And when people grow up in a very strict religious environment where the bible is taught from parents and community leaders, those people grow up believing exactly what they were taught.

geRV 03-09-2007 11:24 AM

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How so? There are people willing to kill themselves for their religion.

Those people are known by the technical term as "stupid cunts" though. happy:

Proteus 03-09-2007 11:24 AM

Maybe so, but eventually it's only human nature to question. And I don't think any catholic dies KNOWING they're going to heaven to live with angels and all that happy cloud shit.

geRV 03-09-2007 11:34 AM

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Maybe so, but eventually it's only human nature to question. And I don't think any catholic dies KNOWING they're going to heaven to live with angels and all that happy cloud shit.

Im catholic and i don't believe in any of that, you'd almost think that kind of thinking all your life is to prepare you for death and make it easier. Far too many holes in religion to really believe in any of it that strongly.

Proteus 03-09-2007 11:35 AM

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Maybe so, but eventually it's only human nature to question. And I don't think any catholic dies KNOWING they're going to heaven to live with angels and all that happy cloud shit.

Im catholic and i don't believe in any of that, you'd almost think that kind of thinking all your life is to prepare you for death and make it easier. Far too many holes in religion to really believe in any of it that strongly.

beer:

I can't think of any other goal in life other than preparing for death..

I turned away from catholacism when I was about 9.

geRV 03-09-2007 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Proteus
Maybe so, but eventually it's only human nature to question. And I don't think any catholic dies KNOWING they're going to heaven to live with angels and all that happy cloud shit.

Im catholic and i don't believe in any of that, you'd almost think that kind of thinking all your life is to prepare you for death and make it easier. Far too many holes in religion to really believe in any of it that strongly.

beer:

I can't think of any other goal in life other than preparing for death..

The way religion is though you'd think that was the way of things, you're constantly told about heaven and hell and sinning and what hapens if you do sin, if you took mosta that stuff literally enough you'd spend half your life shitting yourself about going to hell for that fly you swatted 5 years ago. ed:

I don't think i'll ever understand religion that well, its ok when you're a kid and are too young to have much of a clue about it but when you grow older if you're open minded enoug its impossible not to see all the holes in it.

ninty 03-09-2007 11:40 AM

Some people don't like change. If you challenge a lot of people with facts, no matter how factual and obvious they are to us, they can still reject them. See intelligent design. Religion is impossible to disprove because it's all based on faith, which is what makes it so easy for people to believe in.

I believe a lot of people are basically brainwashed into their religion, and that many people do believe they will go to heaven and all that. Their belief system is a way of life for them.

That being said I was raised catholic and went to a catholic school for 13 years and i basically call myself an atheist now.

geRV 03-09-2007 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty
Some people don't like change. If you challenge a lot of people with facts, no matter how factual and obvious they are to us, they can still reject them. See intelligent design. Religion is impossible to disprove because it's all based on faith, which is what makes it so easy for people to believe in.

I believe a lot of people are basically brainwashed into their religion, and that many people do believe they will go to heaven and all that. Their belief system is a way of life for them.

That being said I was raised catholic and went to a catholic school for 13 years and i basically call myself an atheist now.

Depends what aspects of it are impossible to disprove though, the bible tells us were descended from adam and eve, science says otherwise. Theres absoloutely no proof we're descended from 2 people that according to the bible was essentially 1 person, plenty of proof that we evolved from being animals though.

Thats just another one of those things though, do you take it literally and assume adam and eve were human or is adam and eve just a name for something else? Thats probably the kind of argument someone who strongly believed in religion would come back with though.

Proteus 03-09-2007 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ninty
Some people don't like change. If you challenge a lot of people with facts, no matter how factual and obvious they are to us, they can still reject them. See intelligent design. Religion is impossible to disprove because it's all based on faith, which is what makes it so easy for people to believe in.

I believe a lot of people are basically brainwashed into their religion, and that many people do believe they will go to heaven and all that. Their belief system is a way of life for them.

That being said I was raised catholic and went to a catholic school for 13 years and i basically call myself an atheist now.

Once again, though, they may be brainwashed and truely believe it but it just means a harsher realization when they're on their deathbed.

When people tell them the facts and everything, they reject it, but it's still there. It's a whole what-if thing that they'll have to deal with sooner or later... just sooner the better IMO.

Athiest? I never got that. That means you don't believe in a religion, you just think you die and go into the earth?

ninty 03-09-2007 11:59 AM

It means you don't believe in a deity, not that you can't believe in a religion or spirituality. Theism = belief in god. Atheism = disbelief in god.

But basically yeah. You're just a bunch of carbon compounds and when you die, that's it.

Jotun 03-09-2007 12:23 PM

have you ever been to the south, prot?

down in virginia at school, we have people preach the bible on campus, screaming that people will burn in hell if they do not repent for such stupid things. this guy is fucking nuts, and he believes every word of the bible.

its not just that guy, i know plenty of people who believe every word. its really sickening that these people can be so brainwashed.

TGB! 03-09-2007 12:30 PM


[quote:c286b]It means you don't believe in a deity, not that you can't believe in a religion or spirituality. Theism = belief in god. Atheism = disbelief in god. [/quote:c286b]

Please. Athiests, in the commonly accepted definition reject any organized belief system that is not based on emperical evidence - period. Any belief system based on moral codes and the like are hunky dory.

[quote:c286b]Religion is impossible to disprove because it's all based on faith, which is what makes it so easy for people to believe in.[/quote:c286b]

Maybe its based in faith because as human beings, we have no science or the needed tools to explain the things that religion represents. Is it so far fetched to believe that there are some things that OUR science cant explain? If I put a computer in front of Issac Newton - you think hed be able to explain how it worked? Of course not - he lacks the tools and the ability to suss that out - even though he was (and still is) one of the greatest thinkers of his time.

ninty 03-09-2007 12:38 PM

well, we're discussion atheism as it relates to religion and god.

And no, it's not far fetched for people to believe in things that our science can't explain. I didn't say that it was.

Proteus 03-09-2007 12:41 PM

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have you ever been to the south, prot?

down in virginia at school, we have people preach the bible on campus, screaming that people will burn in hell if they do not repent for such stupid things. this guy is fucking nuts, and he believes every word of the bible.

its not just that guy, i know plenty of people who believe every word. its really sickening that these people can be so brainwashed.

Even still, I think my point is being missed. I'm saying at some point in time, they will most likely question their beliefs.

Tripper 03-09-2007 01:28 PM

EVERYBODY HOL' UP.





ITS A CONTROVERSIAL THREAD.

TGB! 03-09-2007 04:02 PM

[quote:e241c]If you challenge a lot of people with facts, no matter how factual and obvious they are to us, they can still reject them.[/quote:e241c]

My comment was based on this comment here - you say "Facts" as a means to counter their belief in faith based matters. . .and I countered - your "science" may be like stick and rocks compared to the science that "God" exists in.

Jotun 03-10-2007 12:06 AM

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have you ever been to the south, prot?

down in virginia at school, we have people preach the bible on campus, screaming that people will burn in hell if they do not repent for such stupid things. this guy is fucking nuts, and he believes every word of the bible.

its not just that guy, i know plenty of people who believe every word. its really sickening that these people can be so brainwashed.

Even still, I think my point is being missed. I'm saying at some point in time, they will most likely question their beliefs.

I sure as hell hope so.

imported_Fluffy_Bunny 03-10-2007 04:21 AM

i believe in me


p.s. someone should brainwash girls into having more buttsehx


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