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TonyMontana 03-08-2007 09:38 PM

McSorley, Bertuzzi.....now Chris Simon
 
This is honestly worse than the Bertuzzi punch imo and he should be gonzo from the league..

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... 2013693906

cant believe hollweg got up and was okay after that

Sgt. Paine 03-08-2007 09:53 PM

holy shit, suspend that dickwad

Nyck 03-08-2007 11:05 PM

DECAPITATION!

Coleman 03-08-2007 11:34 PM

wow....they should fine him millions for that shit and suspend him minimum of 1 full season. Fucking asshole. There's no excuse for that

Unknown_Sniper 03-08-2007 11:34 PM

god damn.

Simo Häyhä 03-09-2007 04:51 AM

Simon is a level 70 night elf

Zoner 03-09-2007 06:43 AM

I heard about that on the radio this morning, but that was the first time I saw it. Much more vicious than I imagined.

He should be gone for the rest of the season and the playoffs...plus a hefty fine.

annoy:

ninty 03-09-2007 07:06 AM

It was a dirty hit. MSG guys don't know wtf their talking about. Should have been a boarding penalty, and suspension for the guy who hit Simon. This isn't to excuse what Simon did. He should be suspended as well, but if you take out the dirty hits from the game by actually calling penalty and suspending people for taking liberties with players, players would be more afraid to hit dirty.

Zoner 03-09-2007 07:21 AM

^ 100% agree.

It was definitely a hit from behind.

Pyro 03-09-2007 09:47 AM

wow...thats terrible...

with the luck the leafs ahve had with refs...id of thought it was against the leafs...

Kaberle :(

Anyways...Refs suck...and Chris Simon sucks.

ninty 03-09-2007 09:52 AM

Refs are bad all around.

They were just making a point on the radio, if you place your stick on a guys hand and hardly touch him it's hooking or holding. If you hit a guy from behind, there is no penalty a lot of the time. I can think of a lot of hits this year that were from behind that weren't called. And the league doesn't have the balls to suspend players who do it, whether by accident or on purpose.

Pyro 03-09-2007 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty
Refs are bad all around.

They were just making a point on the radio, if you place your stick on a guys hand and hardly touch him it's hooking or holding. If you hit a guy from behind, there is no penalty a lot of the time. I can think of a lot of hits this year that were from behind that weren't called. And the league doesn't have the balls to suspend players who do it, whether by accident or on purpose.

Im definally with ya on that one...sundin was hit from behind a couple games ago agressivly...right beside the ref...and he did shit all. Been noticing it a lot in general...

oh ya...also...another thing.,..if you grab the puck with you hand in the crease...hell it wa sin the air..and throw it away...it's a penatly shot...i guess it's not a penatly shot when you're doing it against the leafs

seriouslly...they do not want us in the playoffs...im glad edmonton aint makin it thouh thats lol. ONE TIME FLUKERS.

Nyck 03-09-2007 12:29 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2792516

[quote:b135d]New York Islanders forward Chris Simon was suspended indefinitely by the NHL on Friday for his stick-swinging hit to the face of Rangers center Ryan Hollweg.[/quote:b135d]

jujumantb 03-09-2007 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty
It was a dirty hit. MSG guys don't know wtf their talking about. Should have been a boarding penalty, and suspension for the guy who hit Simon. This isn't to excuse what Simon did. He should be suspended as well, but if you take out the dirty hits from the game by actually calling penalty and suspending people for taking liberties with players, players would be more afraid to hit dirty.

wrong...
simon was in the motion of turning perpendicular to hollweig just before the hit was made when simon suddenly turned towards the boards to avoid the hit. there was nothing hollweig could do... if simon hadnt made that sudden change of face, it would have been shoulder to shoulder and right next the the boards... hence no penalty was called. sure, one *could* have been called based on the result, but a good ref would see the circumstances, i got knocked and got a concusion out a few years ago doing the same thing, no call was made, rightfully so even though the hit on me looked vicious.

i figured you hockey watching guys would know more about the game than that the_finger:

ninty 03-09-2007 03:53 PM

From the NHL rulebook:

[quote:060fd]A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.[/quote:060fd]

It doesn't matter if Simon was turning or not, or if he had time to let up or not. At the point of the hit, Simon's back was to him, and his face hit the glass. Boarding.

jujumantb 03-09-2007 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty
From the NHL rulebook:

[quote:9911f]A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.

It doesn't matter if Simon was turning or not, or if he had time to let up or not. At the point of the hit, Simon's back was to him, and his face hit the glass. Boarding.[/quote:9911f]
yes it does. whether its written or not doesnt matter, a good ref would not call that boarding. ive seen it many times

ninty 03-09-2007 05:33 PM

Whether it;'s written or not it doesn't matter? oOo:

Thats' the rule. Refs call the game based upon the rulebook. The rules are there to protect the players. Simon's face went into the glass. It's a boarding penalty.

And I played hockey too. I broke both bones in my arm on a clean check along the boards while I was trying to get the puck out of our zone.

jujumantb 03-09-2007 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty
Whether it;'s written or not it doesn't matter? oOo:

Thats' the rule. Refs call the game based upon the rulebook. The rules are there to protect the players. Simon's face went into the glass. It's a boarding penalty.

And I played hockey too. I broke both bones in my arm on a clean check along the boards while I was trying to get the puck out of our zone.

he turned into the glass, not anyones fault but his own. refs call it by their own discretion.. and in the NHL the refs know their shit hence the boarding call was not made. lets not turn hockey into fucking soccer where we can pretend to be hurt

ninty 03-10-2007 09:59 AM

You can't hit a player from behind. It's that simple. Ever see minor hockey players with the stop signs on the back of their jerseys?

[DAS REICH] Blitz 03-10-2007 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty
You can't hit a player from behind. It's that simple. Ever see minor hockey players with the stop signs on the back of their jerseys?

pics?

ninty 03-10-2007 10:05 AM

[img]http://www.omha.net/admin/images/uploaded/marketing/Team%20Huddle.JPG[/img]

[quote:304d8]In 1996, Kevin Stubbington of Windsor Minor Hockey developed the Safety Towards Other Players (STOP) Program in hopes of raising awareness of the dangers of checking from behind in the game of hockey.

Since 1999, over 400,000 patches have been distributed throughout Ontario and to places around North America such as California, Ohio, Newfoundland, British Columbia and the Yukon Territory. Since McDonald’s involvement with the STOP Program, there have been approximately 300,000 McDonald’s STOP patches distributed jerseys across Ontario.

It is strongly encouraged that all amateur hockey associations adopt this worthwhile program and have all programs at representative, local league and house league involved. The program is relatively low maintenance and sends a message to all participants that the dangerous act of checking-from-behind is not accepted in the game of hockey. The overall values of safety and fair play are also a part of this world-renowned program.[/quote:304d8]

http://www.omha.net/flash.asp?page_name ... age_id=200

[DAS REICH] Blitz 03-10-2007 10:14 AM

hahaha, thats clever. Smaller than I imagined tho.

jujumantb 03-10-2007 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty
You can't hit a player from behind. It's that simple. Ever see minor hockey players with the stop signs on the back of their jerseys?

yes, we had those on our jerseys back in highschool. And its NOT that simple, if the player turns into it last second, its not a penalty because its his fault and the checker cant do anything about it. im not going to keep arguing this because i KNOW im right, ive been playing hockey for years, captain for much them so i got to talk to alot of referees when the coach is blowing up over a non call... any ref will tell you this is not a penalty.

ninty 03-10-2007 12:01 PM

Well are are still arguing it.

[quote:d70ba]

[img]http://nhl.speedera.net/img/rules/boarding.gif[/img]

# A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.

(NOTE) Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious "icing" or "off-side" play which results in that player being knocked into the boards is "boarding" and must be penalized as such. In other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be treated as "charging".
# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
# Any player who incurs a total of two (2) game misconducts for Boarding under Rule 44 (b), in either Regular Season or Playoffs, shall be suspended automatically for the next game of his Team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game.
# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule, an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100) shall be imposed.[/quote:d70ba]

http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule44.html

Ray Ferraro said it was boarding. Jim Rome said it was boarding. Watch HNIC tonight and I'm sure Don and Ron will say it was boarding as well.

jujumantb 03-10-2007 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty
Well are are still arguing it.

[quote:20df9]

[img]http://nhl.speedera.net/img/rules/boarding.gif[/img]

# A minor or major penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, based upon the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, shall be imposed on any player who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.

(NOTE) Any unnecessary contact with a player playing the puck on an obvious "icing" or "off-side" play which results in that player being knocked into the boards is "boarding" and must be penalized as such. In other instances where there is no contact with the boards, it should be treated as "charging".
# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
# Any player who incurs a total of two (2) game misconducts for Boarding under Rule 44 (b), in either Regular Season or Playoffs, shall be suspended automatically for the next game of his Team. For each subsequent game misconduct penalty the automatic suspension shall be increased by one game.
# When a major penalty is imposed under this Rule, an automatic fine of one hundred dollars ($100) shall be imposed.

http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule44.html

Ray Ferraro said it was boarding. Jim Rome said it was boarding. Watch HNIC tonight and I'm sure Don and Ron will say it was boarding as well.[/quote:20df9]
how many refs did they ask? whats his face with the long hair who is an NHL only reporter on ESPN said it was a clean hit also. technically, it was boarding, sure, im not arguing that.. actually id say it was a hit from behind if anything.. but it was a clean hit under the circumstances and should not have been called a penalty

Proteus 03-10-2007 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jujumantb
Quote:

Originally Posted by ninty
You can't hit a player from behind. It's that simple. Ever see minor hockey players with the stop signs on the back of their jerseys?

yes, we had those on our jerseys back in highschool. And its NOT that simple, if the player turns into it last second, its not a penalty because its his fault and the checker cant do anything about it. im not going to keep arguing this because i KNOW im right, ive been playing hockey for years, captain for much them so i got to talk to alot of referees when the coach is blowing up over a non call... any ref will tell you this is not a penalty.

I never had those useless things but I've seen other teams wearing them. It's just drilled into your head from day one not to hit people from behind.

And it's not a penalty if the puck holder turns at the last second when he's aware (you should always be aware of a hit coming if you've had the puck for more than 4 seconds) of a check coming.

Pyro 03-10-2007 04:08 PM

I had the STOP sign on my back lol...I thought it was annoying...

Proteus 03-10-2007 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro
I had the STOP sign on my back lol...I thought it was annoying...

?? How so?


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