Terrorist Tapes
 

So... I'm bored this morning so I turn on the TV and surf until I get to CNN. Where I see that Al-Qaeda (sp?), has tested chemicals on dogs. They showed how they poured cyanide right next to a dog and watched it die. They went on about how Al-Qaeda has trained in urban warfare and all kinds of other shit. Anyone else see clips of this shit?

I didn't see that but that is horrible. Those idiots make me sick. I hope the US captures all of em.

Nope, but I'm skeptical anyway. We all know what CNN is like.

Yeah, but they actually showed the cyanide seeping closer to the dog, they finally cut off the tape when the dog started gagging and choking.

And? Does that mean its Al-Qaeda or any "terrorist organisation"? I'm pretty sure western governments have done/still do the same thing. You think we don't test our (chemical) weapons on animals? What's new?

I just turned to CNN and saw it! I have two dogs and it pisses me off!!!

I hope we kill'em all M16: M16: M16: M16: M16: M16:

i wish I was 18 so I could enlist and go over there!

God that is fucking sick. If they did something else, if I were George Bush (thank God I'm not) I would just nuke the motherfuckers. Of course, there would be a lot of Collateral Damage....

FWB, this was a video. Proof that it happens, wheres the proof behind your statements?

i dont think we tested poison on dogs though. maybe rats but not dogs

hell we kill rats everyday. we put those poison pellets in those dark corners for them to eat

Im sure weve tested poisons on lots of animals especially primapes since they are so closely related to us. Is that anymore right then testing poisons on dogs. I saw that video too, it really pissed me off and to know they actually have chemical weapons pisses me off even more. Well i guess its better to be pissed off then pissed on. eatthis:

lol. A video of what?

Your comment fits in so brilliantly with what Baudrillard says. There is too much belief in facts, that everything simply is. The camera lies, dear boy, it doesn't tell the truth. Scenes are edited, choices are made over what to show and what not to... ohh the list goes on. It is certainly NOT proof. Where is your proof that is Al-Qaeda? Because CNN or an "official" says so? This is a great piece of footage for encouraging greater public support and hatred for the "terrorists". It would not surprise me one bit if this was government propaganda and this took place in a shady basement in New York somewhere. That is not to say Al-Qaeda don't test weapons on animals, but this video is certainly not proof that they do. Don't be so naive

Ohh, I did manage to catch a glimpse of it. So that's what's passing for news on CNN these days. I guess this...

2 million children under five die every year from drinking dirty water.
That is more per day – in fact nearly twice the number – than died on 11 September. That was one terrible event on one day. This is every day, and totally unheard of, totally unnoticed. I think that is a criminal indictment of our civilised world," he says.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politi ... ory=325650

...doesn't matter.

you really think that? we couldnt of done that, it's way to cruel.

do you know where i can find info about what you just said?

a reliable source, not those freak conspiracy theory site though

We'll (the western world) have tested on everything. In fact, most of our testing (this includes everything, not just weapons) is done on humans. However, when it comes down to it big issues (weapons, vaccines etc) I'm sure we're quite extensive with a range of subjects.

Anyway, its all rather subjective. Yes this is horrific, but I get the feeling many here think so only because it is a dog, and not, for example, a rat. We're (the west) seen as being horrific for eating cows by some places around the world.

lol naive. You know just as much as I do bud, nothing more. It doesnt matter which side of the fence your on, this time the grass looks the same. I wasnt challenging your statements, I was simply asking for proof in what your saying. I am NOT in any way trying to say its wrong, I just honestly wanna know why you think it.

[quote:8505d]Because CNN or an "official" says so?[/quote:8505d]

This was actually a rare situation, me having the tv on with CNN playing.

My point wasn't that that was the case, just that it wouldn't surprise me. We're in the middle of a propaganda war at the moment. The US military is desperate to flex its muscles and needs public support. It will go to great lengths to build it up, especially fuelling hatred for certain groups. Thus, take everything that you're presented with with a pinch of salt. Don't immediately jump to conclusions. We haven't been presented with any proof, just a video of a dog suffering. Think about it, it could be from anywhere.

No, you need to show ME proof. You claimed this video was it, I'm saying it means nothing. It is of a dog suffering? So what? That could be anywhere. My proof - although i don't know what I'm supposed to prove since I'm merely questioning the story that has been given by CNN (of all people) and a government official (and we know how they can be trusted, especially after the Pentagon announced it was to start a campaign of disinformation) with pictures - lies in the fact that it isn't evidence.

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This was actually a rare situation, me having the tv on with CNN playing.[/quote:83949]

lol. Somehow I don't think so. :)

I think the fact that CNN has this tape and is telling us this has more credence than other networks seeing as how CNN is the most liberal and terrorist friendly of the networks.

The US has a long record of testing drug's & chemicals on humans. If our government is doing it today, we won't find out for decades. Much like the LSD tests on civilan's and miltaty personell, sending out troops to the nucelar test sites the use of Agent Orange. Who knowns what kind of testing we do on animals, but that ok because we can be trusted.

[quote="Pfc.Green":0db44]I think the fact that CNN has this tape and is telling us this has more credence than other networks seeing as how CNN is the most liberal and terrorist friendly of the networks.[/quote:0db44]

Err......? Green, what are you talking about now? CNN is seen as the archetypical source of US government propaganda (that and Fox).

i dont think it's propaganda. i saw the shadow of that taliban guy near the corner of the tape.

Why do you call us naive? There is a much greater chance that that video was made by al Qaeda... Why? Because its not just one video they obtained but many...

Also why would we need to fight a propaganda war?


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Hmm.....I never even watch CNN. I stick to local news, I don't need that shit. What sucks is channels 35-39 are all NBC MSNBC CNN and all that crap and I forget it when I flip through channels.

...yes, listen to FWB everyone, it's all propaganda!!! oOo:

...we have no reason to believe those fuzzy care-bears Al-Queada, Taliban and Saddam mean us or anyone else harm..... hake:

What exactly is it that you have there? Did you not read my posts? Video footage is always edited and it is very easy to setup a picture so it looks like certain relationships exist. There is no proof that what you're seeing is an Al-Qaeda test. None, what-so-ever. The purpose of its release is quite clear though. In instill greater hatred towards the specified group. It seems to have done its job very well here.

[quote:63c19]Also why would we need to fight a propaganda war?[/quote:63c19]

Because simple people need to be encouraged to support their governments actions. Even those who support the cause need to be bombarded continuously so that they continue to remain behind the actions. People forget things all too easily.

[quote="Mr.X":63c19]...yes, listen to FWB everyone, it's all propaganda!!! oOo: [/quote:63c19]

Is that the best you can do?

[quote:63c19]...we have no reason to believe those fuzzy care-bears Al-Queada, Taliban and Saddam mean us or anyone else harm..... hake:[/quote:63c19]

Where did I say that they meant us no harm, a quote please? All I'm stating is that the video means nothing.

Besides, that kind of torturing goes on in every western nation on a daily basis (even excluding government work).

On a final note, I find it incredible that I post the list of children who have died in the Palestine-Israel conflict only to get responses of "why the f*** should I care?" followed by jokes. Yet, this, this video of nothing (yes, it is awful an animal suffers, but compared to what is going on elsewhere) brings out great rage directed at a group that we have no proof is connected to it. It says alot about many people in this forum community.

First of all the Terrorist dug their own graves when they launched the attack on the world trade center and the pentagon... and im almost positive that most of America supports the US Governments Decision to carry out a War on Terror... so why is there a need for propaganda?

Break it up break it up. That is sad from those pictures.

Dogs are cool.....if it is true hake:

[quote:a0cd0]The purpose of its release is quite clear though. In instill greater hatred towards the specified group. It seems to have done its job very well here.[/quote:a0cd0]

And were not supposed to hate them for what they have done? They are terrorists... were not supposed to love them?

I've said it a number of times now. Here you go...

Because simple people need to be encouraged to support their governments actions. Even those who support the cause need to be bombarded continuously so that they continue to remain behind the actions. People forget things all too easily.

We don't even know for sure who attacked on the 11th. While I'm convinced they were terrorists, the name Al-Qaeda and the picture of bin Laden has been thrown at us to place a face on the people involved. This video continues to build that image. You think if bin Laden is caught that will be the end of it? You think he is the dictator for life leader of the network? These people operate in cells, and it is very hard to identify them as an evil. Thus we create our image of them so that the public thinks it has an understanding of what is going on. Reality, in this day and age, is created by the TV. The problem is, it isn't real.

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You're missing the point. The video wasn't released to "reveal the truth", but to produce an image, a conception and encourage certain ideas. My question, is how does that affect the political institutions such as the media? What happens when we're not presented with even a basic attempt (I say attempt because nothing is objective) at objective news.

But it is even more dangerous. As I said, is this what passes for news now on CNN? Plastering this all over their screens and their website (its on the mainpage for Christ's sake) suggests that suffering elsewhere around the world is less important. Indeed, it is taking up precious airtime that could be used to encourage the awareness bigger issues.

Who here actually looked at my link about the millions of chilrend who die each year from drinking water? Who read it? I would have a guess that maybe one or two people (and I would probably be able to tell you their names).

The tape isnt propaganda... you said propaganda is for the US military to flex their muscles... havent we already done that?

I read the stats about the children.......

And our own government used to shoot stray dogs in different parts of the body to see how effective the bullets were......makes you think of what really happened behind closed doors.

Right, so knowing that the men who commited the act were part of Al-Qaeda, is'nt proof enough for you?

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Is that the best you can do?

[quote:7ea1a]...we have no reason to believe those fuzzy care-bears Al-Queada, Taliban and Saddam mean us or anyone else harm..... hake:[/quote:7ea1a]

Where did I say that they meant us no harm, a quote please? All I'm stating is that the video means nothing.

Besides, that kind of torturing goes on in every western nation on a daily basis (even excluding government work).

On a final note, I find it incredible that I post the list of children who have died in the Palestine-Israel conflict only to get responses of "why the f*** should I care?" followed by jokes. Yet, this, this video of nothing (yes, it is awful an animal suffers, but compared to what is going on elsewhere) brings out great rage directed at a group that we have no proof is connected to it. It says alot about many people in this forum community.[/quote:7ea1a]

...do you seriously think that opinions have just been formed because of that tape?
...do you seriously think we are not aware of the ongoing carnage in the Middle East?
I suppose you conspiracy theorists think it's best to ignore everything and hope nothing bad happens as a result.

Yes, because it increases public support for military action. Just look at the on the first page:

I hope we kill'em all

God that is fucking sick. If they did something else, if I were George Bush (thank God I'm not) I would just nuke the motherfuckers. Of course, there would be a lot of Collateral Damage....


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Right, so knowing that the men who commited the act were part of Al-Qaeda, is'nt proof enough for you?[/quote:3d28f]

Green, why do you persist in making pointless comments. As I said it doesn't prove anything. There is no proof in that video that Al-Qaeda committed the act. But there are other issues at stake here, such as the importance attached to certain news articles. Do you not read the posts?

[quote:3d28f]...do you seriously think that opinions have just been formed because of that tape? [/quote:3d28f]

Yep. Just look at the posts in this thread.

[quote:3d28f]...do you seriously think we are not aware of the ongoing carage in the Middle East? [/quote:3d28f]

I don't think most people here really appreciate what carnage is. I'm no expert on it, but my family has lived through great suffering during the Communist period and I was there to witness it first hand. When people speak of blowing people up, they don't understand what the means, let alone the political issues at stake.

[quote:3d28f]I suppose you conspiracy theorists think it's best to ignore everything and hope nothing bad happens as a result.[/quote:3d28f]

No, I just expect news agencies to take on a proper role in bringing information to the masses. Information that matters and is backed up with valid sources. This has nothing to do with conspiracy theories. In fact, quite the opposite. I request proof.

holy jeebus, its actually a serious post!! GRAB YOUR VIDEO CAMERAS!!!!!

Because simple people need to be encouraged to support their governments actions. Even those who support the cause need to be bombarded continuously so that they continue to remain behind the actions. People forget things all too easily.

[quote="Mr.X":335e2]...yes, listen to FWB everyone, it's all propaganda!!! oOo: [/quote:335e2]

Is that the best you can do?

[quote:335e2]...we have no reason to believe those fuzzy care-bears Al-Queada, Taliban and Saddam mean us or anyone else harm..... hake:[/quote:335e2]

Where did I say that they meant us no harm, a quote please? All I'm stating is that the video means nothing.

Besides, that kind of torturing goes on in every western nation on a daily basis (even excluding government work).

On a final note, I find it incredible that I post the list of children who have died in the Palestine-Israel conflict only to get responses of "why the f*** should I care?" followed by jokes. Yet, this, this video of nothing (yes, it is awful an animal suffers, but compared to what is going on elsewhere) brings out great rage directed at a group that we have no proof is connected to it. It says alot about many people in this forum community.[/quote:335e2]

Why would Liberal CNN show propaganda that would strengthen Bush's position, maybe because it is REAL FOOTAGE, not propaganda

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Why would Liberal CNN show propaganda that would strengthen Bush's position, maybe because it is REAL FOOTAGE, not propaganda[/quote:9b880]

Wow, you're giving Green a run for his money in the not-paying-attention category. CNN is far from "liberal". If you left your country you'd notice that around the world it is seen as the typical patriotic/nationalistic American news network (along with Fox). I've covered this already, but you're making comments without reading my posts.

Besides which, newsagencies like CNN will do anything for ratings.