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I know a lot of places in Europe use CCTV in the streets and whatnot to reduce crime etc. The police here are thinking of doing this downtown a well. They said that over 6000 cars are stolen per year here and by installing cameras it will reduce crime and make it easier to track criminals and crimes in prograss.

What do you guys think? Is it a good idea? Or is it an invasion of privacy?

Cameras in public streets? I don't see it being an "invasion of privacy". It's a good idea.

it's a public place, i don't see how it's all that different than setting up a watch tower with a guard in it

Well, unless i have sexual intercourse in a public place all the time, i don't think it would be an invasion of privacy.

Well a lot of people say that with cameras everywhere watching our every move shouldn't happen. A good example of how it can work is that woman who got caught beating her child not too long ago.

I'm not really against the idea. I think we have a lot to benifit from and less to lose.

Big Brother is watching. Careful what you do or say. There two sides to every coin. Are you comfortable knowing that when your walking down the street your being watched by a public servant, that may or may not have your safety in mind, I'm not. Step out of line and you could be in jail or paying a fine for some crime that you didn't even know existed, videos can be altered.

the communists did not take over the world. least not yet...

...a lot of people don't like the big-brother aspect, but there are that many scumbags and "gangs"
roaming or driving around just waiting to rob you or bash/stab you for looking side-ways at them
that unfortunatley the "freedom" of not having CCTV becomes a pretty worthless freedom,
speaking from Sydney anyways......

[quote="Mr.X":b29fb]...a lot of people don't like the big-brother aspect, but there are that many scumbags and "gangs"
roaming or driving around just waiting to rob you or bash/stab you for looking side-ways at them
that unfortunatley the "freedom" of not having CCTV becomes a pretty worthless freedom,
speaking from Sydney anyways......[/quote:b29fb]

In the short term yes, you are right. I the long term we are giving "big brother" another tool to control the masses with.

I agree.

As for the idea that they will prevent car theft or help bring the thieves to
justice, HAH!

Nigga please, they have trouble tracking a stolen car with a GPS installed.

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ah George Orwell, the ideas you give us

The only thing they would catch with those cameras would be a bum taking a dump on the street.....That reminds me......Has anyone seen 'Bumfights?' Apparently the guys that made it were arrested recently because of their involvment with human rights violations....

you got that tramp takin a poop vid handy?
..its for a side project i'm working on.

Gor blimey guvna the UK is full of cameras, it does cut crime but then you literally have no privacy, try takin a piss on a shop window these days and you'll end up on some 'teen pissing voyeur video' developed in belgium handed down from rebel security guards

[quote="mr.miyagi":6566c]you got that tramp takin a poop vid handy?
..its for a side project i'm working on.

Gor blimey guvna the UK is full of cameras, it does cut crime but then you literally have no privacy, try takin a piss on a shop window these days and you'll end up on some 'teen pissing voyeur video' developed in belgium handed down from rebel security guards[/quote:6566c]
That was you on the video??? wow I would have never guessed.

[quote="Low spark":28b77][quote="Mr.X":28b77]...a lot of people don't like the big-brother aspect, but there are that many scumbags and "gangs"
roaming or driving around just waiting to rob you or bash/stab you for looking side-ways at them
that unfortunatley the "freedom" of not having CCTV becomes a pretty worthless freedom,
speaking from Sydney anyways......[/quote:28b77]

In the short term yes, you are right. I the long term we are giving "big brother" another tool to control the masses with.[/quote:28b77]

...what differences do you expect in the "long term" that will make public areas any safer....and intrusive surveillance etc unnecesarry...?

[quote="mr.miyagi":787ca], try takin a piss on a shop window these days and you'll end up on some 'teen pissing voyeur video' developed in belgium handed down from rebel security guards[/quote:787ca]

Thats why they have placed cctv, caw you blimey wanker. biggrin:

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Every year more and more of our personal freedoms get taken away. This is just another step in that direction. The cameras will deter crime where they are - maybe - but the criminals will find a way around. I mean, did hackers stop because of security programs? And when they do find a way around, the cameras are still there, with that unblinking eye, watching you scrathing your ass.

I think it's a great idea.

I'll sacrifice a little privacy if it prevents a 14 year old girl from being raped, deters a 15 year old boy from buying crack for the first time, or slows down the asshole who always punches the gas at a yellow light.

It's a small sacrifice. The only people who would have a problem with the system are those who have something to hide.


Zone

How about we tap your phone, or record all your computer usage then, because many crimes happen there too, and if you have nothing to hide, then it should be OK, right?

That statement is a little too broad for my taste, actually, it is way too broad. I dont trust my government, especially the local ones that would control such measures, nearly that much.

I thought we were just talking about cameras in public places, not phone/data taps. I definitely don't agree with that.

Taken to those extremes, yeah that statement would be too broad.


Zone

I know that wasnt the original question, but I truely think that those are related (maybe only thinnly). It may seem extreme, but nothing happens that abruptly, it all happens gradually and cc cameras would be the first step. They may be a very good idea, but I think a sceptical mistrust of authority is healthy. There need to be people out there argueing the big brother thing, just to keep the police honest. The situations I mentioned could be justified by the same exact reasons the cc cameras are justified.

Typically, I am pretty complacent about this kind of thing, mostly becaue I dont hae anything to hide, but I dont label the anti-authority people as bad. Their input should be heard as well.

[quote:a28ac]I think a skeptical mistrust of authority is healthy. [/quote:a28ac]

Damn right. Without it, you'd have Nazi Germany.


Zone

I think an even better measure would be what the freakin Constitution states as a right to bear arms. Why the heck are we having a constitutional right taken away from us? It would stop a lot of crime, because, after all, who would rob a bank if they knew there is a potential of 30 people having guns inside. Or who would try to rape a women if they have no idea if that women has a gun or not?

I believe EVERYONE should have the right to have a gun, and the only reason someone should go to jail for having one is when they point it at someone without a valid reason. For instance, say I walk down the street and some ho bumps into me, then gets pissed because she thinks im at fault for the incident, and pulls out a gun and tells me to apologize, then that bitch needs to go to jail! If she shoots, she should be fucking killed, and if she misses, I'd kill her myself (only in self defense).

This Hypothesis would not invade anyones privacy, and it would put a little bit of control back with the people. Remember, this government is "For the people, by the people"

Im in the UK so there are cameras everwhere i go. It doesn't bother me so much though, yeah someone could be watching you, but is that really such a bad thing? There is always someone looking over you, there installed in public places anyway so whats the problem?

I dont have a problem with cctv, in fact i occasionally give a little wave to them. Have some fun with them, act suspicous, keep looking at someone walking behind you, then frantically pick up your pace and start running.

the only time i wouldnt want one was if it was like on my street, i already have problems with skateboarding in the street(just cruising around)... but it would be fun to like walk out in the middle of the street and fall over or pretend you ahd a heart attack., or sit on the curb and stare at it evil: ... i would seriously hate it if they put them here, what next a camera in my room?