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ninty · 03-25-2005, 09:36 PM

As I re-read my post, it seems like I was fathering or lecturing you guys with the beginning points below, or sort of telling you that there’s something wrong with you since you’re conservative. Everyone has a different ideology. Reading it over I have realized that I probably didn’t word the following the best, but I don’t really want to change it since I wrote what I was really feeling at the time. I hope that everyone will take the time to read it. I don’t know how relevant it is to anything we’ve discussed, but I’ve typed it up now, so I may as well post it.

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As I sit here typing it bothers me for some reason that some can't acknowledge another side of the story.

I was just like you guys up until a year ago. I was a conservative. I voted conservative in the Canadian Federal Election in the summer of 2004. The Conservative Party of Canada is the farthest right wing federal party in Canada.

http://www.conservative.ca/english/index.asp

You can see this from the front page where it says "defence of marriage". They are anti abortion, anti gay etc.

I started doing a lot of 9/11 research just out of my own interest. Actually, I think Mr. Buttocks sent me some links that I looked at and found interesting. And I wanted to know more.

I have always been interested in the political process, both Canadian and American. It is something I enjoy very much. Perhaps that is why I get a little passionate at times. If I have seemed crazy, or offended anyone in any way, I apologize. It can get heated in here.

My goal is to make people see another side of the story. I think that if I can get people to understand where I’m coming from and back it up with facts, maybe people will start caring about what’s going on around them instead of taking everything as normal in stride.

My political idealism has changed a lot in the past year. I come from a hardcore Conservative Christian background. My grandmother is an evangelical Christian who hates gays, rock music, corporate restrictions, and abortion among other things. My father is a Conservative based upon he wants to make the most money as possible. He hates the government taking away all they do. I don't think he’s concerned about the policies of a conservative party really, he said he would vote for bush if he lived in the states because my father is involved in the oil patch, and bush is good for the oil business.

When I go over to my grandmother’s house for dinner she brings out some new book she got telling her to hate Muslims or gays or whatever. Last time it was rock music. I read parts of the book at her house. It called Queen's "we will rock you" the "homosexual anthem" of the 20th century which is sung at many sporting events. The book is completely ridiculous. But she believes it with all her heart.

Se also believes in God with all her heart. So much so that she would sacrifice her children if god asked her to. What’s the point of me telling you this? I'm not sure. I guess it’s that my family is too far-gone to turn around. And what does it matter if I get a couple guys on an internet to read something different than they find on their local news channels? I don't know why it matters. But it does for some strange reason. I guess it’s the same reason that we all keep posting here.

I leave you with an article as always:

If this can't be taken seriously, I don't know what can. It’s from the BBC. The Telegraph but also ran the story, as well as The Independent but you need a subscription to view the Independent's article. These are three very credible news sources. If we can't believe these sources, then who can we believe?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 559151.stm
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... tory=94438
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/ ... iden23.xml

If one accepts these sources, then the question becomes, why would the government label these men as terrorists, and if we believe this is not a mistake by the government, what else is the government not telling the truth about?

Or we can all just choose to accept that either the government, or the press and other people reporting on the story made a mistake and move on with our lives.

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ninty is Offline Major General Posts: 12,683 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Calgary	03-25-2005, 09:36 PM As I re-read my post, it seems like I was fathering or lecturing you guys with the beginning points below, or sort of telling you that there’s something wrong with you since you’re conservative. Everyone has a different ideology. Reading it over I have realized that I probably didn’t word the following the best, but I don’t really want to change it since I wrote what I was really feeling at the time. I hope that everyone will take the time to read it. I don’t know how relevant it is to anything we’ve discussed, but I’ve typed it up now, so I may as well post it. =========================== As I sit here typing it bothers me for some reason that some can't acknowledge another side of the story. I was just like you guys up until a year ago. I was a conservative. I voted conservative in the Canadian Federal Election in the summer of 2004. The Conservative Party of Canada is the farthest right wing federal party in Canada. http://www.conservative.ca/english/index.asp You can see this from the front page where it says "defence of marriage". They are anti abortion, anti gay etc. I started doing a lot of 9/11 research just out of my own interest. Actually, I think Mr. Buttocks sent me some links that I looked at and found interesting. And I wanted to know more. I have always been interested in the political process, both Canadian and American. It is something I enjoy very much. Perhaps that is why I get a little passionate at times. If I have seemed crazy, or offended anyone in any way, I apologize. It can get heated in here. My goal is to make people see another side of the story. I think that if I can get people to understand where I’m coming from and back it up with facts, maybe people will start caring about what’s going on around them instead of taking everything as normal in stride. My political idealism has changed a lot in the past year. I come from a hardcore Conservative Christian background. My grandmother is an evangelical Christian who hates gays, rock music, corporate restrictions, and abortion among other things. My father is a Conservative based upon he wants to make the most money as possible. He hates the government taking away all they do. I don't think he’s concerned about the policies of a conservative party really, he said he would vote for bush if he lived in the states because my father is involved in the oil patch, and bush is good for the oil business. When I go over to my grandmother’s house for dinner she brings out some new book she got telling her to hate Muslims or gays or whatever. Last time it was rock music. I read parts of the book at her house. It called Queen's "we will rock you" the "homosexual anthem" of the 20th century which is sung at many sporting events. The book is completely ridiculous. But she believes it with all her heart. Se also believes in God with all her heart. So much so that she would sacrifice her children if god asked her to. What’s the point of me telling you this? I'm not sure. I guess it’s that my family is too far-gone to turn around. And what does it matter if I get a couple guys on an internet to read something different than they find on their local news channels? I don't know why it matters. But it does for some strange reason. I guess it’s the same reason that we all keep posting here. I leave you with an article as always: If this can't be taken seriously, I don't know what can. It’s from the BBC. The Telegraph but also ran the story, as well as The Independent but you need a subscription to view the Independent's article. These are three very credible news sources. If we can't believe these sources, then who can we believe? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 559151.stm http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... tory=94438 http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/ ... iden23.xml If one accepts these sources, then the question becomes, why would the government label these men as terrorists, and if we believe this is not a mistake by the government, what else is the government not telling the truth about? Or we can all just choose to accept that either the government, or the press and other people reporting on the story made a mistake and move on with our lives.