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GreatWhiteDisappointer · 08-22-2002, 02:28 AM

[quote:023c6]...I live in a city full of blacks that do absolutely nothing but collect their dole cheque and go and piss it away on alcohol or smokes...[/quote:023c6]

In the Sydney CBD, parts of the Inner West, and areas west such as Blacktown (ironic?) and Doonside, those people are majorly white anglo decendant, but I'm aware that they're no a true indication of white anglos...

[quote:023c6]Either black or white, I dont care for slackers, and I dont care for my hard earned cash to be wasted on them. Whether they are from the States or from Australia, they dont deserve the money, no bloody way.[/quote:023c6]

The entrenchment of African Americans through slavery is a separate issue. While there are distinct parrallels between our 2 cultural exploits of those considered "uneducated" and "savages", the African Americans were specifically shipped to the US as slaves...we found ours here in Aus and preceded to enslave or slaughter, in some cases, slaughter without conscience and displace with disregard to family and culture under the belief it was "for their own good".

The money issue has been proven to recent as being one fraught with corruption from within their own people...but when we do it, it's time for the short memory. Those leading the ranks for the financial gain are more interested in personal financial and territorial gain than reconsiliation. I agree that money should not be thrown at them with these kind of people in charge at the moment...giving tangible aide in the form of health reform, social balance and cultural adherence programs is a start, but that needs a greater input from their own people first, before the application of funds to a "governing committee" be implemented.

[quote:023c6]This doesnt mean that they can expect to get an apology from the people of Australia, this day, for something that occured so long ago. It's irrelevant...{/quote]

The apology appears in earnest to be in the way of sympathy and acknowledgement of wrongs done, rather than take personal responsibilty for the actions of those who committed them. This is still a grey area, but the sorry message was over simplified in the attempt that people wouldn't be able to understand the complexity and level of what was being apologised for. I personally take no responsibility for the actions that were committed unjustly to the indigenous of Australia, but I am sympathetic to those geniunely affected from those actions...how big that geniune group is, I have no idea... the sympathy is not globally applied, if you like...

[quote:023c6]... A white person does exactly the same crime as a black person, and that black person is released within a few hours because of his skin colour because the Police are afraid of being called racist... [/quote:023c6]

Sorry, mate, but that is a gross over generalisation based on knowledge of specifc incidences, and is not indicative of the "whole" criminal Venn Diagram subset...It will also vary from region to region...especially if you life in the Northern Territory under "manditory sentencing" laws...

[quote:023c6]....My father went to pick up his truck about 2 weeks ago from my sisters place. I was talking to him on his mobile phone. Some black walks up to him and tells my father to take him downtown or he'll shoot him...[/quote:023c6]

Although a very disturbing incident, and I wish in no way to trivialise it, this is an act of an individual with no respect for any person, regardless of colour. That bloke may have acted against your dad because in his mind he saw him and his colour as being the absolute cause for all his problems at that point, and expresses a racist attitude, or "reverse racism" as it's sometimes called, but I have problems with that term...isn't it just racism?...but he would just as likely had disregard for his own people in their environment as well.

[quote:023c6]I'll just tell you know, I'm trying hard not to be racist in this entire situation, but it's getting pretty damn difficult.[/quote:023c6][/quote:023c6]

At worst, it's an expression of anti-culturism, as the entire race of our indigenous are not as bad as some prominent examples. Think of it in this way. Not every woman that uses you and dumps you is representantive of women in general. That would be sexist to think that. Apply the same logic here, and treat everyone as an individual that deserves your altruistic repect until they show they don't deserve it. How you deal with them after they do that is up to you on a case by case basis...

Rambling and Moralisation over... angel:

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GreatWhiteDisappointer is Offline Member Posts: 46 Join Date: May 2002 Location: Lurking in the shallows of Sydney Harbour	08-22-2002, 02:28 AM [quote:023c6]...I live in a city full of blacks that do absolutely nothing but collect their dole cheque and go and piss it away on alcohol or smokes...[/quote:023c6] In the Sydney CBD, parts of the Inner West, and areas west such as Blacktown (ironic?) and Doonside, those people are majorly white anglo decendant, but I'm aware that they're no a true indication of white anglos... [quote:023c6]Either black or white, I dont care for slackers, and I dont care for my hard earned cash to be wasted on them. Whether they are from the States or from Australia, they dont deserve the money, no bloody way.[/quote:023c6] The entrenchment of African Americans through slavery is a separate issue. While there are distinct parrallels between our 2 cultural exploits of those considered "uneducated" and "savages", the African Americans were specifically shipped to the US as slaves...we found ours here in Aus and preceded to enslave or slaughter, in some cases, slaughter without conscience and displace with disregard to family and culture under the belief it was "for their own good". The money issue has been proven to recent as being one fraught with corruption from within their own people...but when we do it, it's time for the short memory. Those leading the ranks for the financial gain are more interested in personal financial and territorial gain than reconsiliation. I agree that money should not be thrown at them with these kind of people in charge at the moment...giving tangible aide in the form of health reform, social balance and cultural adherence programs is a start, but that needs a greater input from their own people first, before the application of funds to a "governing committee" be implemented. [quote:023c6]This doesnt mean that they can expect to get an apology from the people of Australia, this day, for something that occured so long ago. It's irrelevant...{/quote] The apology appears in earnest to be in the way of sympathy and acknowledgement of wrongs done, rather than take personal responsibilty for the actions of those who committed them. This is still a grey area, but the sorry message was over simplified in the attempt that people wouldn't be able to understand the complexity and level of what was being apologised for. I personally take no responsibility for the actions that were committed unjustly to the indigenous of Australia, but I am sympathetic to those geniunely affected from those actions...how big that geniune group is, I have no idea... the sympathy is not globally applied, if you like... [quote:023c6]... A white person does exactly the same crime as a black person, and that black person is released within a few hours because of his skin colour because the Police are afraid of being called racist... [/quote:023c6] Sorry, mate, but that is a gross over generalisation based on knowledge of specifc incidences, and is not indicative of the "whole" criminal Venn Diagram subset...It will also vary from region to region...especially if you life in the Northern Territory under "manditory sentencing" laws... [quote:023c6]....My father went to pick up his truck about 2 weeks ago from my sisters place. I was talking to him on his mobile phone. Some black walks up to him and tells my father to take him downtown or he'll shoot him...[/quote:023c6] Although a very disturbing incident, and I wish in no way to trivialise it, this is an act of an individual with no respect for any person, regardless of colour. That bloke may have acted against your dad because in his mind he saw him and his colour as being the absolute cause for all his problems at that point, and expresses a racist attitude, or "reverse racism" as it's sometimes called, but I have problems with that term...isn't it just racism?...but he would just as likely had disregard for his own people in their environment as well. [quote:023c6]I'll just tell you know, I'm trying hard not to be racist in this entire situation, but it's getting pretty damn difficult.[/quote:023c6][/quote:023c6] At worst, it's an expression of anti-culturism, as the entire race of our indigenous are not as bad as some prominent examples. Think of it in this way. Not every woman that uses you and dumps you is representantive of women in general. That would be sexist to think that. Apply the same logic here, and treat everyone as an individual that deserves your altruistic repect until they show they don't deserve it. How you deal with them after they do that is up to you on a case by case basis... Rambling and Moralisation over... angel: