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TGB! · 09-08-2005, 10:43 PM

[quote:4f9c9]Not getting the card isn't practical if you need it to do anything. Thus, everyone will be forced to have it, whether they want it or not.[/quote:4f9c9]

There are MILLIONS of people in this country without some valid state-id. Millions. And they get by. Illegals get by everyday without one and they arent turning up dead. Your quality of life will indeed suffer - but its the price you pay for living in this country. So far noone has laid out any true violations of personal liberty - only complaints that it will be EASIER for information to be shared about you.

[quote:4f9c9]The information is only shared if the terrorists are using cards. I don't think the US government is going to issue the cards to terrorists, thus if they don't haev one, how are the feds going to get any information on them?[/quote:4f9c9]

Who said its for "information GATHERING purposes"? A shared database simply makes it easier for folks to do just that - share data.

And if terrorist doesnt have the proper ID - he wont be able to do quite a few things:

Buy plane tickets.
Buy certain products (explosives for example).
Get a passport.
Enter into an airports upper area.
Get a workvisa, or enroll in certain classes (flying school for example).
Etc. etc.

Its not about TRACKING people - its about making it extremely difficult for someone to commit fraud which enables terrorist activity.

[quote:4f9c9]On the POW front, does that mean those being held have relinquished their liberties because they have no alligence?[/quote:4f9c9]

As far as I'm concerned they have a right to three meals a day, and not to have a bullet put in the back of their head. Beyond that - as unindentified enemy combatants - they dont have much legal leg to stand on. What body of government are they appealing their case under?

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TGB! is Offline Command Sergeant Major Posts: 2,644 Join Date: Dec 2003	09-08-2005, 10:43 PM [quote:4f9c9]Not getting the card isn't practical if you need it to do anything. Thus, everyone will be forced to have it, whether they want it or not.[/quote:4f9c9] There are MILLIONS of people in this country without some valid state-id. Millions. And they get by. Illegals get by everyday without one and they arent turning up dead. Your quality of life will indeed suffer - but its the price you pay for living in this country. So far noone has laid out any true violations of personal liberty - only complaints that it will be EASIER for information to be shared about you. [quote:4f9c9]The information is only shared if the terrorists are using cards. I don't think the US government is going to issue the cards to terrorists, thus if they don't haev one, how are the feds going to get any information on them?[/quote:4f9c9] Who said its for "information GATHERING purposes"? A shared database simply makes it easier for folks to do just that - share data. And if terrorist doesnt have the proper ID - he wont be able to do quite a few things: Buy plane tickets. Buy certain products (explosives for example). Get a passport. Enter into an airports upper area. Get a workvisa, or enroll in certain classes (flying school for example). Etc. etc. Its not about TRACKING people - its about making it extremely difficult for someone to commit fraud which enables terrorist activity. [quote:4f9c9]On the POW front, does that mean those being held have relinquished their liberties because they have no alligence?[/quote:4f9c9] As far as I'm concerned they have a right to three meals a day, and not to have a bullet put in the back of their head. Beyond that - as unindentified enemy combatants - they dont have much legal leg to stand on. What body of government are they appealing their case under?